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21 Aug 2017, 11:41 am

This is Antifa:

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21 Aug 2017, 12:38 pm

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I wish these kinds of "leftists" would just kill themselves. They need to give the cops a damn break, especially the ones that are there to stop BOTH SIDES from beating each other to death.



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21 Aug 2017, 5:17 pm

TV news coverage of the Boston event shows significant numbers of antifa wearing masks to hide their identities. Why is this necessary if people are showing up to promote a righteous cause?

The New York Times reported that rally “participants appeared to number only in the dozens.” So struggling to find neo-nazis to condemn, activists decided to attack the police instead? Or perhaps that was their objective all along.


Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby summed up the events with this tweet:

The rally in a nutshell: “Excuse me,” one man innocently asked a Globe reporter, “where are the white supremacists?”



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21 Aug 2017, 6:42 pm

Lol, I didn't even know about that. It explains a lot about the attention they're getting on the whitehouse.gov petition.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19946/lef ... tigiacomo#

Absolutely brilliant. I mean, if it isn't clear by now - to the politicians and to enough people to push the politicians - that these people are mostly about beating and harassing normal people and occasionally the odd nazi that they find for kudos from the press, simply put we'd deserve the kind of societal meltdown that we'd get.


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21 Aug 2017, 7:03 pm

Thinking about the alt-right, they could win this real easy.

All they have to do is, providing that the US gov't does nothing about AntiFa, just let AntiFa go wild, not show up for broad stretches of time, pretty much until people are asking 'where's the alt-right to sort these goons out?', and from there just master the art of good timing and showmanship. Combine this with some Fight Club type stunts and theater and I think the white nationalist numbers will be going through the roof. That'll of course breed more AntiFa, even more drastic behavior as they ham-handedly lash out at anyone whose anywhere to the right of them, they can keep showing up when people can barely stand to see it anymore and apply just enough bruising to the right people to come out as the crowd favorites.

Between the two the alt-right has much sharper, brighter, and more creative leadership. I'm almost certain it would go something like this.

Sorry to fan flames, just that I think the pro-AntiFa people need to think more carefully about how to challenge the far right. Betting on AntiFa is the worst way to go.


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21 Aug 2017, 7:14 pm

Some people are unwilling to stand up for what it right. I will always be willing and ready to fight Nazi fascists if the need arises. The bullies should understand there are always those that are willing to stand up against them to fight for what is right.


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21 Aug 2017, 7:47 pm

Perhaps WWII is a clue their intolerance for others is unacceptable behavior. Attempting to rebrand themselves and others won't work in the end when blood is spilled and people start to choose sides. Security or freedom, what are you willing to sacrifice for them.


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22 Aug 2017, 1:13 am

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Some people are unwilling to stand up for what it right. I will always be willing and ready to fight Nazi fascists if the need arises. The bullies should understand there are always those that are willing to stand up against them to fight for what is right.


At what point do you determine this need has arisen? What standard of evidence do you accept when determining who is or is not a "Nazi fascist"?



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22 Aug 2017, 1:40 am

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Some people are unwilling to stand up for what it right. I will always be willing and ready to fight Nazi fascists if the need arises. The bullies should understand there are always those that are willing to stand up against them to fight for what is right.

At what point do you determine this need has arisen? What standard of evidence do you accept when determining who is or is not a "Nazi fascist"?

The Executioner has always got a little list . . .


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22 Aug 2017, 2:21 am

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blackicmenace wrote:
Some people are unwilling to stand up for what it right. I will always be willing and ready to fight Nazi fascists if the need arises. The bullies should understand there are always those that are willing to stand up against them to fight for what is right.

At what point do you determine this need has arisen? What standard of evidence do you accept when determining who is or is not a "Nazi fascist"?

The Executioner has always got a little list . . .



Exactly.

Anyone who abandons enlightenment values in support of these violent, authoritarian anarcho-communists has no business calling themselves "liberal".



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22 Aug 2017, 8:48 am

This might at least help bestow the title 'freedom-fighters':


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22 Aug 2017, 9:49 am

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Some people are unwilling to stand up for what it right. I will always be willing and ready to fight Nazi fascists if the need arises. The bullies should understand there are always those that are willing to stand up against them to fight for what is right.

The problem is too many people choosing to "stand up" based what feels good rather than what actually works. Antifa people decide it feels good to beat up nazis -> nazis decide to bring weapons to their rallies and justify it with the "self defense" argument. I also notice how antifa try and push the police into appearing to "side with the nazis". When police are there to keep both groups separated, antagonizing them is just indefensible.



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22 Aug 2017, 10:41 am

Antifa, originally known in its native Germany as Antifaschistische Aktion, was founded as the militant wing of the German Communist Party. In the 1930s, it was known to be every bit as violent as its Nazi opponents. After World War Two, Antifa groups re-formed in Germany to collaborate with Soviet communists on subduing the country and rooting out its past to create a new socialist utopia. They were active in Communist-controlled East Germany until that country’s Stalinist leadership got fed up, broke the groups up, and sent many of their leaders to gulags. Anti-Free Speech, anti-American, just like Black Lives Matter, founded by avowed Communist Alicia Garza. Marxist agitators stirring up social division by any means necessary.

"At least one law enforcement officer in Charlottesville, VA has come forward to reveal the truth — that what went down in the city was not only condoned by city governance but was intentional, orchestrated and may have been planned as long ago as May. Charlottesville PD were specifically instructed to bring the radical left and right wing groups together to instigate violence and then to told to “stand down” once violence ensued in a deliberate effort to ignite a race riot. He also claims the protests, which pitched “white supremacists” against members of Antifa, were “set up.”

“We [Charlotesville police] were ordered to bring the rival groups together. As soon as they were in contact with each other, we were told to stand down. We weren’t allowed to arrest anyone without asking the mayor first. We weren’t even allowed to stop the driver as he sped away. The event was being set up as far back as at least May and it went like clockwork.


Barack Obama wrote, in Dreams from My Father: "in college, I sought out...the Marxist professors," and vowed to "fundamentally transform" the USA. Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis praising Communist Saul Alinski, then interned with Bob Treuhart, leader of the California Communist Party (then married Bill Clinton, whose mentor, Carroll Quigley, wrote the globalist bible 'Tragedy & Hope'). Antifa is a German Communist organization, founded in 1933. Black Lives Matter was founded by Communist activist Alicia Garza. George Soros is a former Nazi (National Socialist), turned Marxist Socialist. Enemies of the United States are working overtime to destroy American liberty and individualism and replace it with neo-Marxist slavery to The State, and the globalist corporate Mainstream Media is their propaganda arm. Plans have already been drawn up by The Council on Foreign Relations for the eventual coalition of the USA, Canada and Mexico into an EU-style Socialist bloc.

The United States, since it's inception, has been known as a great "Melting Pot," where people of like mind from any background could come to join in the dream of individual opportunity and achievement, and through hard work and perseverance, achieve whatever they were capable of. Now, the duplicitous Left wants to convince Americans themselves that the USA is, and has always been, a rancid cesspool of hatred and racism, and that achievement is beyond the hope of anyone, kept from them by bigotry and European "White Privilege." The kind of glass-half-empty poison that becomes self-fulfilling prophecy, if you are sap enough to fall for it.

The reason they perpetrate this vile lie, is to help sell their own deception, which is the Marxist promise of "fairness" in "Equal Poverty for all," except, of course, for the "Intellectual Elite," who will determine how all the stupid peasants will live, how long they will live, and when they should be liquidated for the good of The State. The irony is, they fool each and every one of those stupid "useful idiot" peasants into believing that THEY, too, are a part of that select Elite. It's a political philosophy that has slaughtered over 200 million human beings worldwide in the past century.

Yet when Leftists assault others to oppress and silence their Freedom of Speech, when they swing clubs, start fires, destroy property, vandalize, toss bottles full of urine and feces - they want you to believe it is the people they violently suppress, who are the "haters." And the Mainstream Media "journalists," indoctrinated by the same Leftist college professors, and encouraged by their globalist corporate elitist owners (don't be fooled by the anti-establishment, "we hate 1%ers" rhetoric, who do you think pays for all those buses and black masks?), cover for them and make them look like martyrs.

When Antifa opposes Nazi, there are no good guys on the field - National Socialist, meet Marxist Socialist - it's a puppet show, brought to you by your international masters of the New World Order. No different than Democrat Vs Republican - the dollars in their campaign funds come from the same bank accounts. And no matter what their bullshit rhetoric, they are working for the same goal - government so big, it controls everything, makes every decision, provides basic slave-level necessity, but allows for no Freedom, no Liberty, no Individualism, no Opportunity, no Achievement. An immense Borg, into which all must assimilate, and none shall ever Escape.


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22 Aug 2017, 12:17 pm

Antifa, originally known in its native Germany as Antifaschistische Aktion, was founded as the militant wing of the German Communist Party. In the 1930s, it was known to be every bit as violent as its Nazi opponents. After World War Two, Antifa groups re-formed in Germany to collaborate with Soviet communists on subduing the country and rooting out its past to create a new socialist utopia. They were active in Communist-controlled East Germany until that country’s Stalinist leadership got fed up, broke the groups up, and sent many of their leaders to gulags. Anti-Free Speech, anti-American, just like Black Lives Matter, founded by avowed Communist Alicia Garza. Marxist agitators stirring up social division by any means necessary.

"At least one law enforcement officer in Charlottesville, VA has come forward to reveal the truth — that what went down in the city was not only condoned by city governance but was intentional, orchestrated and may have been planned as long ago as May. Charlottesville PD were specifically instructed to bring the radical left and right wing groups together to instigate violence and then to told to “stand down” once violence ensued in a deliberate effort to ignite a race riot. He also claims the protests, which pitched “white supremacists” against members of Antifa, were “set up.”

“We [Charlotesville police] were ordered to bring the rival groups together. As soon as they were in contact with each other, we were told to stand down. We weren’t allowed to arrest anyone without asking the mayor first. We weren’t even allowed to stop the driver as he sped away. The event was being set up as far back as at least May and it went like clockwork.


Barack Obama wrote, in Dreams from My Father: "in college, I sought out...the Marxist professors," and vowed to "fundamentally transform" the USA. Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis praising Communist Saul Alinski, then interned with Bob Treuhart, leader of the California Communist Party (then married Bill Clinton, whose mentor, Carroll Quigley, wrote the globalist bible 'Tragedy & Hope'). Antifa is a German Communist organization, founded in 1933. Black Lives Matter was founded by Communist activist Alicia Garza. George Soros is a former Nazi (National Socialist), turned Marxist Socialist. Enemies of the United States are working overtime to destroy American liberty and individualism and replace it with neo-Marxist slavery to The State, and the globalist corporate Mainstream Media is their propaganda arm. Plans have already been drawn up by The Council on Foreign Relations for the eventual coalition of the USA, Canada and Mexico into an EU-style Socialist bloc.

The United States, since it's inception, has been known as a great "Melting Pot," where people of like mind from any background could come to join in the dream of individual opportunity and achievement, and through hard work and perseverance, achieve whatever they were capable of. Now, the duplicitous Left wants to convince Americans themselves that the USA is, and has always been, a rancid cesspool of hatred and racism, and that achievement is beyond the hope of anyone, kept from them by bigotry and European "White Privilege." The kind of glass-half-empty poison that becomes self-fulfilling prophecy, if you are sap enough to fall for it.

The reason they perpetrate this vile lie, is to help sell their own deception, which is the Marxist promise of "fairness" in "Equal Poverty for all," except, of course, for the "Intellectual Elite," who will determine how all the stupid peasants will live, how long they will live, and when they should be liquidated for the good of The State. The irony is, they fool each and every one of those stupid "useful idiot" peasants into believing that THEY, too, are a part of that select Elite. It's a political philosophy that has slaughtered over 200 million human beings worldwide in the past century.

Yet when Leftists assault others to oppress and silence their Freedom of Speech, when they swing clubs, start fires, destroy property, vandalize, toss bottles full of urine and feces - they want you to believe it is the people they violently suppress, who are the "haters." And the Mainstream Media "journalists," indoctrinated by the same Leftist college professors, and encouraged by their globalist corporate elitist owners (don't be fooled by the anti-establishment, "we hate 1%ers" rhetoric, who do you think pays for all those buses and black masks?), cover for them and make them look like martyrs.

When Antifa opposes Nazi, there are no good guys on the field - National Socialist, meet Marxist Socialist - it's a puppet show, brought to you by your international masters of the New World Order. No different than Democrat Vs Republican - the dollars in their campaign funds come from the same bank accounts. And no matter what their bullshit rhetoric, they are working for the same goal - government so big, it controls everything, makes every decision, provides basic slave-level necessity, but allows for no Freedom, no Liberty, no Individualism, no Opportunity, no Achievement. An immense Borg, into which all must assimilate, and none shall ever Escape.

Now is adifferentname going to call out this outrageously hysterical example of paranoid right-wing identity politics, complete with all the ubiquitous right-wing buzzwords and newspeak? Or is criticism only reserved for "leftists"?



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22 Aug 2017, 12:28 pm

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Now is adifferentname going to call out this outrageously hysterical example of paranoid right-wing identity politics, complete with all the ubiquitous right-wing buzzwords and newspeak? Or is criticism only reserved for "leftists"?

I wouldn't if I were him. Talking facts and details is approachable, refuting amorphous blanket labels with a kaleidoscope of shifting definitions is impossible.


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22 Aug 2017, 12:33 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Now is adifferentname going to call out this outrageously hysterical example of paranoid right-wing identity politics, complete with all the ubiquitous right-wing buzzwords and newspeak? Or is criticism only reserved for "leftists"?

I wouldn't if I were him. Talking facts and details is approachable, refuting amorphous blanket labels with a kaleidoscope of shifting definitions is impossible.

I don't see facts. I see a copy-paste of a propaganda article meant to spur on a 2-minute hate session against the "commie enemy".