Why are the radical left extremists still getting their way?

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I don't think you understand what you mean by "objectively wrong". Also, in the future we will be probably be able to grow meat without raising and killing live sentient animals. That is if civilization doesn't collapse before that.


It makes no sense because you disagree with it. Giving up eating meat and diary would be inconvenient for you. Everything else is rationalization. You can persuade, but you can't objectively "prove" anything. Most people understand that "rights" don't exist in nature. A scientist can't go out looking for them. That doesn't mean most people haven't accepted the "existence" of human "rights". A "right" is a social agreement, not a fact.

Anyways I'm on your side. I eat meat. I just admit that I can't "prove" PETA wrong. I do however realize that animal farming is highly inefficient in terms of use of energy and resource usage. I think if humanity moves away from meat-eating, it will be for practical rather than moralistic reasons, but after the change occurs people will see our previous ways as barbaric and backwards. I can't say I'm completely sure though. The way things are going I don't know if civilization will continue to advance. People are becoming afraid and backward looking these days, and if history is any indication that usually spells decline.

It's not my fault you don't have the patience to read or think for yourself.


I didn't say it makes people more objective, just not necessarily less. Empathy (i.e. being able to see an issue from both sides) makes people more objective. Also, as far as I can tell you are in denial about your level of emotional involvement. You don't get angry about racists when your race isn't the one being insulted/attacked. Yet you DO get angry and stubborn when your own beliefs are challenged. Your unwillingness to read or try to understand anything I say is evidence.


Typical fallacy of appealing to "common sense". Why is what "everyone knows" superior to an ACTUAL DEFINITION. Sometimes "everyone" is an idiot.

When there is a trial the jury is set to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty of a crime. In this case emotional detachment is desirable because the determination is PURELY FACTUAL. It isn't the jury's duty to determine the punishment/settlement. That would be a MORAL determination (i.e. not factual). In that case, being unable to see both sides makes a person MORE biased, not less. Most political arguments are more akin to determining a settlement in a civil case (i.e. conflict resolution) than a jury determining whether a defendant is guilty of a crime or not.


Whatever. Your response isn't important. I'm more interested in people with a more open mind reading what I have to say.

Wow, when refusing to bite troll brait that really was the last thing I expected you to say. I mean....No-one has ever responded like that before. You sir are an absolute genius.

The radical left extremists are not getting their way.

What happens is the right wing guys on the internet exaggerate to make it seem like the left wing extremists are getting their way and then they get mad about stuff that didn't actually happen.


A good example of this would be the videos on Youtube proclaiming that Swedish schools have gone genderless or that Sweden has stopped using gender specific pronouns.

The truth is that one kindergarten in the whole country has self-imposed this policy. It was never considered by the Swedish board of education. Yet a bunch of Anglophone Youtubers make it sound like it's being practiced in every school in Sweden. They call themselves skeptics yet they never bother with basic fact checking.

Nice projection there. If I was posting troll bait you wouldn't see so much effort from me in debunking all of your nonsense. I'm sorry you can't comprehend anything beyond cave-man grunts and "muh, common sense... you wrong". You aren't the target audience. I already know you're a lost cause. It was obvious from the beginning. By all means though, keep providing more and more rope to hang yourself with.

OMG, you've hit me with it again! I'm being destroyed here by your superior debating skills. Have some mercy!

Vacuous sarcastic response. How clever.

Whatever. I'm done.

It's so sad they just focus nonstop on nonsense like this.

Yep. The left is just the new moral panic.

The whole left of center Trump hating America is not Antifa/SJW
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Sanders Slams UC Berkeley's Anti-Free Speech Zealots: 'It's A Sign Of Intellectual Weakness'

'There's no room for anything manly now': Feminist writer Camille Paglia speaks out AGAINST the loss of masculine virtues and its negative impact on society

That said the SJW left thinking has gained a frightening level of influence a number of American Universities because of sympathetic and weak administrations. That emotional thinking is creeping into business decisions by companies such as Apple and Google out of sympathy or wanting to market to what they think millennials want. Campuses are where the next leaders come from. The business going along tend to be the ones considered cool and culturally influential. The critics like me and the people linked above are old.

So the fear of American core values will be decimated by this mentality has some merit. What is a much better candidate for a moral panic is the fear that America is now Germany circa 1932 or the reconstruction era. These flag waving Nazi KKK types are a few hundred or thousand people with puny influence. Thier "threat" is created by people who want to censor thought, get rid of Trump and media looking for ratings. Trump has fallen right into their trap repeatedly and enthusiastically.

I don't fear the radical left, I don't really fear the radical right either I fear the right in general. The left isn't perfect but the policies and practices of a lot of the right have been straight up evil, there's just not much of another word for it

From trying to repeal and deplete ACA for namesake and putting on an atrocious healthcare plan to funneling environmental budgets for nonexistent causes and ending programs like the DACA. Don't always agree with them but I trust the conscious of the left much more than the opposing... Not that either is ever right.


Never been on a site with so many right-leaning supporters, nice to see

No, every extreme culture, not "extreme LEFT culture". Do you think the folks in charge of I.S.I.S. or the Taliban are in any sense "left-wing"? Do they support women's rights or free health care?



Well then, do so. Link away! I will be the judge of whether or not they are "all rubbish", but if they are indeed rubbish then it will be because anyone with an impartial view of the facts will be able to decide, based upon what you provide, whether or not a case can be made for what you believe about what you have labelled "extreme left culture". What about extreme right culture? Doesn't that exist? Your failure to mention it is telling (and rather disturbing, because it indicates bias).



No, your lies do not shock me at all. It's what I've come to expect from the Ultra-Right of the political spectrum over the years, and I would probably actually miss it if those who like to call themselves "conservatives" started speaking the truth for once (which of course isn't going to happen).

Exactly, it's a matter of degree and perspective, and yet Chichikov seems to believe in something called "extreme left culture". 'Extreme' according to what criteria? How is such an amorphous, relative and abstract concept actually measured? Against what is it measured? It is objectively meaningless (and yes, I DO know what the word 'objective' means).

Yes, his failure to provide an adequate response is a sure indicator that he actually has no response worth giving to offer. It signifies defeat, it's an admission of an inability to further support one's argument, one's position.

Okay, then just plain old wrong then.



"Grow" meat without raising animals? Ur, no. Any "meat" produced this way would be so artificial that it couldn't even be called food. Yuk.



Proof is irrelevant. It's evidence that counts, not proof. I can't even prove to you that I even exist, but the evidence of the text before you is suggestive that I do.



Science isn't everything. There is only so much it can accomplish.



You don't need to. It is up to them to give their reasons, based upon what evidence they have, that they are right.



Yes, we agree - civilisation is now in serious decline. What so many seem to think of as being progress just isn't, as far as I'm concerned (ex. GM "foods" - ugh! Give that poison to someone else).

I was referring to comments regarding the extreme left though which is why I constrained my reply to the extreme left. It's called keeping on topic.


Nah you're ok, you're not the first person I've seen who's style of arguing is to make statements then simply dismiss any evidence given to the contrary as being from a flawed source. I find it quite tedious to be honest. I mean at you really saying you don't accept that past extreme left governments have failed and been disastrous for their people? If you refuse to accept that then there's no point discussing the subject in general.


Lol what are you talking about now? Are you saying I'm ultra right? Because I simply point out a fact that all extreme left governments have failed I must be ultra right? Where is the logic in that at all? Can't I just be someone stating the obvious? In your mind does everyone have to be an extremist? You're just one of a long list of people who does nothing but throw slurs and names at people who say something you disagree with. "He says communist governments have failed, he must be a Nazi racist!"

Listen to yourself, it's pathetic.