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I happen to believe that we should have a considerable amount of protected land. Theodore Roosevelt thought so, too.
You would have liked him, Ezra. He spoke softly, yet carried a big stick.
Roosevelt would have thought of Trump as being an infernal schmuck for screwing with the land.
You would have liked him, Ezra. He spoke softly, yet carried a big stick.
Roosevelt would have thought of Trump as being an infernal schmuck for screwing with the land.
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08 Dec 2017, 6:39 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Probably a lot of people consider land development more important than more piles of bones and pottery shards.
And a lot of people consider saving those so called piles of bones to be important. A lot of others care about being able to go camping and hiking in public lands - - try doing that if those lands get turned into private property.
Wehereas a lot of people think there's already an abundance of it. How many acres of hiking and excavating still remain? Are the areas being converted to public land even used or is it what everyone drives through to get to the good parts? I know with Nevada state and national parks, a lot of the surrounding outskirts of them are just miles of wasteland.
We've had much of these protected areas since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, so in most cases it's not as if the government is gobbling up land "from the people for the sake of the elites." In fact, it's the exact opposite, as those public lands are open to all of us, rather than being the private property of business elites.
Even in those areas that seem empty, there's an abundance of wild life.
As for your previous post: it's hardly a matter of liberal SJWs thoughtlessly seizing land in question here, but rather it was Native Americans in Utah who wanted to preserve a part of their cultural past. Hardly comparable to a fascist strongman, unless you're of the Alt Right opinion that whites are somehow being oppressed by minorities.
Isn't there an abundance of wildlife most everywhere that's undevelped? And I'm wondering how this country would fare if it weren't for the businesses eletes. Perhaps like a deeply impoverished third world s**thole.
As for my previous post, it was made separately for a reason. Your conglomerating the two distorts what I was saying.
So I'll reiterate. When it comes to many matters, not just the Bears and Ears monument, but many things. Liberalism consisting of the whole pc sjw antifa et al forcing change on society, really doesn't seem much better or less fascist than a strongman government.
And I don't think one has to be alt-right to see the blatantly deep-seated hatred liberalism has for white people who aren't liberals and would clearly like to see them eliminated.
Liberalism really just seems to be redirection of fascism and bigoty, rather than an elimination.
Our country has pristine wilderness that has been spoiled, or is in the process of being spoiled, in other countries. The difference is, we appreciate what we have, and thus try to preserve it. MissLizzard is quite correct about how even so, private enterprise has done it's part to do harm to the environment - and the local people - all for the sake of making a buck. The right might have the shell of an argument if said businesses were paying their employees what they were worth and growing the economy, but they clearly aren't.
And hatred of white people? Please! Sure, there are SJW types who can be accused of such a thing, but most liberals are pro-union, and pro-worker's rights, which mostly benefits whites. Unfortunately, the forces of reaction (who represent those polluting, low paying businesses) have managed to convince too many whites losing ground that those stealing from them are those who have it worse than said working class white people, getting them to vote against their own economic interests. And yes, I do know of what I speak of, as I was raised in a working class, union household. My dad, who had been a staunch union man, was heart broken by the way so many guys he worked with were manipulated to turn to the the anti-union, pro-business right.
Kraichgauer, don't you know that all liberals are PC, white-hating, heterophobic, easily triggered SJWs?
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RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Probably a lot of people consider land development more important than more piles of bones and pottery shards.
And a lot of people consider saving those so called piles of bones to be important. A lot of others care about being able to go camping and hiking in public lands - - try doing that if those lands get turned into private property.
Wehereas a lot of people think there's already an abundance of it. How many acres of hiking and excavating still remain? Are the areas being converted to public land even used or is it what everyone drives through to get to the good parts? I know with Nevada state and national parks, a lot of the surrounding outskirts of them are just miles of wasteland.
We've had much of these protected areas since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, so in most cases it's not as if the government is gobbling up land "from the people for the sake of the elites." In fact, it's the exact opposite, as those public lands are open to all of us, rather than being the private property of business elites.
Even in those areas that seem empty, there's an abundance of wild life.
As for your previous post: it's hardly a matter of liberal SJWs thoughtlessly seizing land in question here, but rather it was Native Americans in Utah who wanted to preserve a part of their cultural past. Hardly comparable to a fascist strongman, unless you're of the Alt Right opinion that whites are somehow being oppressed by minorities.
Isn't there an abundance of wildlife most everywhere that's undevelped? And I'm wondering how this country would fare if it weren't for the businesses eletes. Perhaps like a deeply impoverished third world s**thole.
As for my previous post, it was made separately for a reason. Your conglomerating the two distorts what I was saying.
So I'll reiterate. When it comes to many matters, not just the Bears and Ears monument, but many things. Liberalism consisting of the whole pc sjw antifa et al forcing change on society, really doesn't seem much better or less fascist than a strongman government.
And I don't think one has to be alt-right to see the blatantly deep-seated hatred liberalism has for white people who aren't liberals and would clearly like to see them eliminated.
Liberalism really just seems to be redirection of fascism and bigoty, rather than an elimination.
Our country has pristine wilderness that has been spoiled, or is in the process of being spoiled, in other countries. The difference is, we appreciate what we have, and thus try to preserve it. MissLizzard is quite correct about how even so, private enterprise has done it's part to do harm to the environment - and the local people - all for the sake of making a buck. The right might have the shell of an argument if said businesses were paying their employees what they were worth and growing the economy, but they clearly aren't.
And hatred of white people? Please! Sure, there are SJW types who can be accused of such a thing, but most liberals are pro-union, and pro-worker's rights, which mostly benefits whites. Unfortunately, the forces of reaction (who represent those polluting, low paying businesses) have managed to convince too many whites losing ground that those stealing from them are those who have it worse than said working class white people, getting them to vote against their own economic interests. And yes, I do know of what I speak of, as I was raised in a working class, union household. My dad, who had been a staunch union man, was heart broken by the way so many guys he worked with were manipulated to turn to the the anti-union, pro-business right.
Kraichgauer, don't you know that all liberals are PC, white-hating, heterophobic, easily triggered SJWs?
Silly me, how could I have forgotten????
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