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28 Feb 2018, 2:41 am

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Face of Boo, congratulations on surviving as an apostate.

My understanding is that the koran is incomplete without the sira (mohammed’s biography) and hadith (sayings of mohammed). Both the old testament and the koran called for despicable acts. But I find the koran worse than the old testament

The old testament had limits on the locations and time frame of the Jewish violent expansion. Most of the old testament is concerned with the behavior and treatment of the jewish people.

I found the opposite is found in the three books of islam. They mandate continually terrorizing, subjugating, and killing people who belong to other religions, until islam dominates the entire world. Most of the koran is concerned with the behavior and treatment of non-muslims. Also, the koran calls for treachery against non muslims.


That's true, because the Jewish faith isn't evangelist while the Islam is.



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28 Feb 2018, 4:31 am

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. In several cultures, theft, rape, and destruction are acceptable. Failure to perform these acts is seen as weakness.


I'd like some examples of this. As far as I know, there are no cultures where those behaviours are acceptable towards the in-group.


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28 Feb 2018, 5:15 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
Mudboy wrote:
. In several cultures, theft, rape, and destruction are acceptable. Failure to perform these acts is seen as weakness.


I'd like some examples of this. As far as I know, there are no cultures where those behaviours are acceptable towards the in-group.

Who said anything about the in-group? It's regarding the other group as subhuman that allows people to override their normal instincts against looting, rape and murder.


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28 Feb 2018, 5:39 am

Yes, but saying "this culture views rape as acceptable" suggests that it's accepting of it within the culture i.e. in the in-group. Saying "Culture X views other cultures as beneath them and therefore anything is permitted" is another question.


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28 Feb 2018, 6:08 am

Raping your wife is permitted in both Christianity and Islam.



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28 Feb 2018, 7:22 am

^ It's the same f-ed up god



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28 Feb 2018, 11:06 am

Hmm; "Bible Vs Quaran: Which is Worse?"; interesting topic, discussed globally as such;
commonly, per: "Our QuarterBack and God Team is Better than your Quarter Back and God Team".
Both Books, still, describe a tiny part of Human Culture, overall, Globally, as such, in a Middle East of
Scarcity in terms of Desert Areas without much water and fertile land to derive subsistence, including
Shelter and Mates, who survive in-kind with securing sources of Subsistence, including Shelter. This wasn't
as much of an issue for Nomads who moved on to Greener Pastures than Deserts. The folks who stayed fought
more to the death for the resources available. Both Religions, are of course, similar, in Violent Tribal Nature, including
Rape and the such as that for they reflect the environmental challenges at hand for those who refused to go full bore
Nomad to a kinder and gentler environment, to live in. Anyway, back to the books; obviously, the New Testament part
of the Bible; For, its Altruistic Perks of a Good Cop Jesus for Extreme Pacifism of Love in Loving Enemies and Turning the
other Cheek; but rarely ever will one see an actual Christian who puts this Gandhi-like Jesus into actual practice out of
the Sunday School Environment. This works pretty Good for 'Rocky types'; but not well at all for 'little man' types; i.e.
Trump Men and the such as that per do. In other words, it takes a 'real man' to achieve this for they don't usually
get slapped around in the first place, per verbal and action do; in other words, True Fearless and Unconditional
Love works better for men and or women who are/do just that. Anyway, obviously, the New Testament, in the
Good Cop Jesus parts, at least, Brings it heads and shoulders above the Koran. Beyond this, though,
depending on the Environment, still, of those who adhere to the religious traditions; Muslim
Folks and Christian folks who live in areas more of abundance as that relates to
securing subsistence, including shelter, and finding mates who survive
to offspring healthy children, who also survive, will naturally
interpret both books to the exclusion of the more
violent and 'rapy' verses as such. That is just Human
Nature; so, in this regard, one might find more Peaceful Loving
Muslim folks in a land of Abundance as compared to Christian Folks
in a land of Scarcity; for again, overall, life is an inkblot test that folks view
from rose to septic tank colored glasses for a very loose metaphor for that.
Personally, i've met very fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, in case study way,
in anecdotal notes for me, who are almost identical in their ability to Unconditionally
Love; for it's true, it is how the individual is raised with Love that counts the most in either
Abundance or not that counts most, too; But as far as an objective take on the Bible Verses the Koran
now as far as Negative Human Behavior that comes from each book. The Bible most definitely leads with
a read of both books taken objectively as such with the New Testament winning the entire book race, still now.
Neither Book, comes close to scratching
all my Existential Intelligence
interests, so i write my own in
numbers of 7, 7 times larger than
the Old King James Version, just for fun; Empirically
Completing a Koran sized version in 14 days; no sweat.
In my estimation, Whitman was a greater prophet, than
either of the 'other two', for more modernly in Poetry;
when he said, eventually humans would evolve, in other
words, in one lifetime, per Epigenetics and Neuroplasticity
to do 'just this'; not unlike, Nietzsche's 'Overmen'; Whitman referred
to 'these folks' as the 'Priests of the Cosmos'; for it's true the World is
seen, felt, sensed, and heard as a much bigger place than lands of scarcity
in the Middle East, by many
now but true; some folks
have great difficulty in leaving the
Folds (Book Covers) of Traditions still earned
in deserts, thousands of years ago, in scarCity
then of the Human spirit of heart as soul more.
Lifting the Veils of Ignorance as that pertains now
more to the Original Greek Definition of 'Apocalypse'; FoR LoVE
is a Job for more than 'Atlas'; For the Human HeART weighs more.


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28 Feb 2018, 12:44 pm

aghogday wrote:
Hmm; "Bible Vs Quaran: Which is Worse?"; interesting topic, discussed globally as such;
commonly, per: "Our QuarterBack and God Team is Better than your Quarter Back and God Team".
Both Books, still, describe a tiny part of Human Culture, overall, Globally, as such, in a Middle East of
Scarcity in terms of Desert Areas without much water and fertile land to derive subsistence, including
Shelter and Mates, who survive in-kind with securing sources of Subsistence, including Shelter. This wasn't
as much of an issue for Nomads who moved on to Greener Pastures than Deserts. The folks who stayed fought
more to the death for the resources available. Both Religions, are of course, similar, in Violent Tribal Nature, including
Rape and the such as that for they reflect the environmental challenges at hand for those who refused to go full bore
Nomad to a kinder and gentler environment, to live in. Anyway, back to the books; obviously, the New Testament part
of the Bible; For, its Altruistic Perks of a Good Cop Jesus for Extreme Pacifism of Love in Loving Enemies and Turning the
other Cheek; but rarely ever will one see an actual Christian who puts this Gandhi-like Jesus into actual practice out of
the Sunday School Environment. This works pretty Good for 'Rocky types'; but not well at all for 'little man' types; i.e.
Trump Men and the such as that per do. In other words, it takes a 'real man' to achieve this for they don't usually
get slapped around in the first place, per verbal and action do; in other words, True Fearless and Unconditional
Love works better for men and or women who are/do just that. Anyway, obviously, the New Testament, in the
Good Cop Jesus parts, at least, Brings it heads and shoulders above the Koran. Beyond this, though,
depending on the Environment, still, of those who adhere to the religious traditions; Muslim
Folks and Christian folks who live in areas more of abundance as that relates to
securing subsistence, including shelter, and finding mates who survive
to offspring healthy children, who also survive, will naturally
interpret both books to the exclusion of the more
violent and 'rapy' verses as such. That is just Human
Nature; so, in this regard, one might find more Peaceful Loving
Muslim folks in a land of Abundance as compared to Christian Folks
in a land of Scarcity; for again, overall, life is an inkblot test that folks view
from rose to septic tank colored glasses for a very loose metaphor for that.
Personally, i've met very fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, in case study way,
in anecdotal notes for me, who are almost identical in their ability to Unconditionally
Love; for it's true, it is how the individual is raised with Love that counts the most in either
Abundance or not that counts most, too; But as far as an objective take on the Bible Verses the Koran
now as far as Negative Human Behavior that comes from each book. The Bible most definitely leads with
a read of both books taken objectively as such with the New Testament winning the entire book race, still now.
Neither Book, comes close to scratching
all my Existential Intelligence
interests, so i write my own in
numbers of 7, 7 times larger than
the Old King James Version, just for fun; Empirically
Completing a Koran sized version in 14 days; no sweat.
In my estimation, Whitman was a greater prophet, than
either of the 'other two', for more modernly in Poetry;
when he said, eventually humans would evolve, in other
words, in one lifetime, per Epigenetics and Neuroplasticity
to do 'just this'; not unlike, Nietzsche's 'Overmen'; Whitman referred
to 'these folks' as the 'Priests of the Cosmos'; for it's true the World is
seen, felt, sensed, and heard as a much bigger place than lands of scarcity
in the Middle East, by many
now but true; some folks
have great difficulty in leaving the
Folds (Book Covers) of Traditions still earned
in deserts, thousands of years ago, in scarCity
then of the Human spirit of heart as soul more.
Lifting the Veils of Ignorance as that pertains now
more to the Original Greek Definition of 'Apocalypse'; FoR LoVE
is a Job for more than 'Atlas'; For the Human HeART weighs more.


This is an internet forum, not a modern art gallery.


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28 Feb 2018, 1:47 pm

i'll take it as one of the greatest compliments
i've received years to date at the 'Wrong Planet'
that 'you' view something i do even related
to an Art Gallery, here; Simply and
yes, complexly, because
i can and will.
Beyond that it's
worth noting that
not all NeuroDiverse
Folks go by books of old;
No matter where they travel next.
Not all folks play by the old rules of when
in Rome do as the 'older folks' do; Amazing
what Art will do to bring a Spirit young outside
of Books of old most definitely including old Bibles with
or without
a
Quran
Verses
this or that.
Other than that a critique
of a form for essence is no
where to be found in truly critical
thinking other than an expression
of Art, itself; so, thanks for that too..;)


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28 Feb 2018, 2:33 pm

@The Face of Boo: What do you know about the Druze? What do they believe?


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28 Feb 2018, 2:54 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
This is an internet forum, not a modern art gallery.


Mmm. I wouldn't go as far as saying he shouldn't post like that, but perhaps he should be aware that I never, ever read his posts and I suspect I am not the only one. A shame really, there could be hidden brilliance behind that awful eye-perforating formatting.


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28 Feb 2018, 3:12 pm

Mikah wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
This is an internet forum, not a modern art gallery.


Mmm. I wouldn't go as far as saying he shouldn't post like that, but perhaps he should be aware that I never, ever read his posts and I suspect I am not the only one. A shame really, there could be hidden brilliance behind that awful eye-perforating formatting.


i did not come here for affirmation.
Trust me or not, there are much better avenues, even if i needed that;
For just that; And i can provide the 'scientific evidence' for that too.
Nor, do i restrict my avenues of where to find 'other muse too'; I've
been named Genius before for my Words of Free Verse Poetry and Legend
for my Steps of Dance by the General Seeing and Listening Audience, too;
With sure, quotes and links available upon request for evidence of that too;
Of course, with full recognition that in 'this place of muse' that is neither
here or tHere. Here's the thing; i started out with Agape Love for all as
the Kingdom of Heaven within, always in this generation
eternally now at hand from the beginning of this entire
Dance and Song Poetry Endeavor of Art and
Science in Reason too; 55 Months ago.
In other words, i had Love all then
as God as a Force
of Nature within;
And have it all
now; all that is left
is to give and share;
And this is just one of
many myriad avenues for
Muse ranging from bLack Abyss
DaRk of Fear and Hate to 'the other place too'.
Anyway, Love is the God Topic at Hand, for me at least;
And these words do not veer from just that. Have a Great Day always now; it works for me;
Inheriting the EARTh as Love and all that Metaphorical Jazz that Rises from Concrete tombs of Words absent oF LoVE..;)


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28 Feb 2018, 3:21 pm

aghogday wrote:
Mikah wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
This is an internet forum, not a modern art gallery.


Mmm. I wouldn't go as far as saying he shouldn't post like that, but perhaps he should be aware that I never, ever read his posts and I suspect I am not the only one. A shame really, there could be hidden brilliance behind that awful eye-perforating formatting.


i did not come here for affirmation.
Trust me or not, there are much better avenues, even if i needed that;
For just that; And i can provide the 'scientific evidence' for that too.
Nor, do i restrict my avenues of where to find 'other muse too'; I've
been named Genius before for my Words of Free Verse Poetry and Legend
for my Steps of Dance by the General Seeing and Listening Audience, too;
With sure, quotes and links available upon request for evidence of that too;
Of course, with full recognition that in 'this place of muse' that is neither
here or tHere. Here's the thing; i started out with Agape Love for all as
the Kingdom of Heaven within, always in this generation
eternally now at hand from the beginning of this entire
Dance and Song Poetry Endeavor of Art and
Science in Reason too; 55 Months ago.
In other words, i had Love all then
as God as a Force
of Nature within;
And have it all
now; all that is left
is to give and share;
And this is just one of
many myriad avenues for
Muse ranging from bLack Abyss
DaRk of Fear and Hate to 'the other place too'.
Anyway, Love is the God Topic at Hand, for me at least;
And these words do not veer from just that. Have a Great Day always now; it works for me;
Inheriting the EARTh as Love and all that Metaphorical Jazz that Rises from Concrete tombs of Words absent oF LoVE..;)


My reply is best understood tHrough the mediUM of Interpretive Dance.


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28 Feb 2018, 3:31 pm

Mikah wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Mikah wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
This is an internet forum, not a modern art gallery.


Mmm. I wouldn't go as far as saying he shouldn't post like that, but perhaps he should be aware that I never, ever read his posts and I suspect I am not the only one. A shame really, there could be hidden brilliance behind that awful eye-perforating formatting.


i did not come here for affirmation.
Trust me or not, there are much better avenues, even if i needed that;
For just that; And i can provide the 'scientific evidence' for that too.
Nor, do i restrict my avenues of where to find 'other muse too'; I've
been named Genius before for my Words of Free Verse Poetry and Legend
for my Steps of Dance by the General Seeing and Listening Audience, too;
With sure, quotes and links available upon request for evidence of that too;
Of course, with full recognition that in 'this place of muse' that is neither
here or tHere. Here's the thing; i started out with Agape Love for all as
the Kingdom of Heaven within, always in this generation
eternally now at hand from the beginning of this entire
Dance and Song Poetry Endeavor of Art and
Science in Reason too; 55 Months ago.
In other words, i had Love all then
as God as a Force
of Nature within;
And have it all
now; all that is left
is to give and share;
And this is just one of
many myriad avenues for
Muse ranging from bLack Abyss
DaRk of Fear and Hate to 'the other place too'.
Anyway, Love is the God Topic at Hand, for me at least;
And these words do not veer from just that. Have a Great Day always now; it works for me;
Inheriting the EARTh as Love and all that Metaphorical Jazz that Rises from Concrete tombs of Words absent oF LoVE..;)


My reply is best understood tHrough the mediUM of Interpretive Dance.


Listen up dude;
i'm not here to play games;
but if you insist.... play with yourself; works for me.


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28 Feb 2018, 4:02 pm

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@The Face of Boo: What do you know about the Druze? What do they believe?


A faith which is neither Christian nor Muslim, but historically it came from the womb of a Muslim Shia sect, it is claimed by some of them that it's a reforming religion to Islam like how Christianity was a reforming religion to Judaism. Their holy books are a 'light' version of Qur'an (much smaller version of the Qur'an) and the Book of Wisdom which is only accessible by their clergy.

They have elements from several faiths including Christianity, Islam and even Hinduism.

What differs them from the Muslim faith:
- They believe in the reincarnation after death.
- They believe in Jesus as God in human body.
- They have women in clergy, they have Sheikhas (Female sheikhs)
- Their community is formed of two types: The 'regular/ignorant' who are the regular civilians who have no access to the deepest secrets of their faith, the women of those wear normally and unveiled, and the 'Enlightened' include the clergy and devout ones, they live a strict lifestyle with strict dress code (ie. white long veil for women).
- The method they bury their deads is like Christians (in a coffin), not like Muslims (in a cloth).
- They abolished polygamy.
- They don't fast in Ramadan nor they pray 5 times, nor they go to pilgrimage.
- They are not evangelists, meaning a Druze is only born Druze.

However, the Al-Azhar recognizes them as a Muslim sect.