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Why do you own a gun?
For self-protection 19%  19%  [ 11 ]
For hunting 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
As a hobby or collection 12%  12%  [ 7 ]
Symbolic or object of desire 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I don't own a gun 63%  63%  [ 37 ]
Total votes : 59

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27 Aug 2020, 7:49 am



Or Being A Victim of Folks Brainwashed
To Kill Innocent Protestors... Mileage Varies Depending
On Which End of ‘The GuN’ One is on... ‘Human’ ‘Tools’ Do Kill;
For Instance, If one IS Black, They May Walk Towards their Vehicle
Without Having Any Weapon, and Be Shot in the Back by Cops; If one
IS White, They May Kill Two Innocent Protestors, Still Carrying the
Long Gun, Potentially Killing Others, including Cops
And Be Spared Death by Cops And Taken Alive
Instead;
indeed,
'The Colors
of Guns', indeed;
Where 'Make and
Model' Will Be A Life
or Death Answer as Humans Tools DO;
This Really Happens; In Fact, It is in the U.S. News;
Clear For Everyone to See As i Speak Now at Least;
Pictures Say so much Now that they can't Just Be Covered Up with 'Killing Tool Lies'.
To Be Clear, i support Second Amendment Rights too; But Not Human Killing Tools.
On the Other Hand,
i Am 'Man' Enough
Not to 'Need' 'a Gun',
A 'Four-Wheel-Drive', Or a 'Trump', to be a Dude...
There Really Should Be A Song For This that is
Sung So Much Better Than 'Trace Atkins'; His
Mama
Should
Have
Taught Him
How to Sing 'That Song'...
As That Relates to 'Atkins'
Last Night Singing 'The National'
Anthem' And Trump's Minions Who Were
Standing Next to each Other With Similar
Killing Tools oF iGnorance With No Social
Distancing or Masks to Protect Others From
Pandemic Death, Herman Caine way as simple
Worship for
their Similar
Leader with No
Empathy for anyone
Else but Himself; not
much really as He Can't BE
A 'Real Dude' unless He Wraps
His Bleached- Blonde-Hair From
'The Ground Up' And 'Back Again';
Comb Over of Soul; More Dangerous than Guns...
My Father in Law-Enforcement for 46 Years; Longest
Serving Deputy Sheriff in Florida in One Point in His Career;
Was a Gun Collector; i could have Collected Tons of Guns, inherited
From Him; but i gave them away to Women Relatives Who Really Needed them instead....

You Know what; i don't Love Guns at all; But i See Their Place; As SWords Still Do too;
For those without What it takes to live life without a Sword; One thing i Do Love is What
The American Flag Stands For; For You See, (not you really, just telling a story HeaR)
The Flag Doesn't Have to Stand Up For Freedom; For the Flag Flies When Free;
As Do We, Who Are Not Hampered By Ignorance Spreading Fear and Hate;
And You Know What; It's true; i Can Sing this Song Much Better (Technically)
Than 'These Two Country And Western Cowboy Singers'; meh, but i have
more 'important' things to do; Like Wearing A Mask; Picking Up the Cross
of a Little Cotton Piece of Cloth, Protecting Others from Potential Death;
Where is the Pride of Freedom
for those who will not
Protect Their
Fellow
Citizens
From Potential
Death from their
Ignorance that Spreads
Fear and Hate and Killing
Winds of their Breath of Love;
No Where Free; No Where Free, indeed;
For You See they May Have Lots of Guns;
Lots of Four-Wheel Drives; But Without Enough
Patriotism to Protect Their Fellow Citizens Lives From
Potential Death By Lifting a Little Cross of Cotton, a Flag
Indeed too; not only
Do they not have
Any Flag of
America
Flying as Soul;
So far; So far away
Removed From the Flag
of their God, according to
Their Religion Love that Gives
And Shares Free And does least Harm to All of Existence Now;
but only if they Believe that 'God' is Alpha Thru Omega and Not
just

the

example

of

one Dude...

Their God Tool Trump...

Guns are A Metaphor for
What Humans Have Become;
And are Becoming More; Cold
Metal Fingers; Cold Metal Fingers...
For You See; 'Charlton Heston' was real
but not their God of
Love Now...

or even
Freedom
Enough
Worth
Saving a Life
With a Cotton
Cloth Cross of Mask...

"Love Never Requires Worship Or Fears
Criticism For This God This Love Is Free"

-by me
~Short And Tall
~So Very Sweet And Real too

This Is An ANTHeM i WiLL ALWaYS Fly With Free


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27 Aug 2020, 11:12 am

When protesters destroy property or assault persons, they are no longer protestors but criminals. People have a right to defend themselves and their property.



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27 Aug 2020, 11:21 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
When protesters destroy property or assault persons, they are no longer protestors but criminals. People have a right to defend themselves and their property.


Like i 'Sang' (Sing) 'A God
of Cold Metal Fingers';
Where Stuff is More
God Than Human;
Hehe; i've already
Attempted to
Sing to the
'Choir';
They Hear
me but they
Really Don't Listen;
Or Even See Me, As Such
Is Still the Human Condition;
Without REAL Regard for 'the Condition'...

Other than That Shooting Innocent
Protestors on the Highway of Life; One
may get taken alive, if one is White; But
That's Murder; One Goes To Jail at least For Life....

No Different Than 'The Pizza Guy' with a Long Gun Looking
For a Basement That Never Existed at all; that some folks still believe exists too

As Similar Ignorant Killing Tools, Seeing No Further than Fear and Hate Same....

Ignorance Kills;
Ignorance Kills;
No ifs, and or buts;
Ignorance, Definitely Kills...

Art And Reason Combined Is More Powerful
Than The Force of Any Tool For Indeed Art And
Reason ToGeTHeR Free IS THE HUMAN CONDITiON


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27 Aug 2020, 12:49 pm

Where is the option for "we need it for pests" because my husband got himself a pellot gun to kill off rats in our yard.

That is the only gun we own. :lol:


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27 Aug 2020, 12:56 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Where is the option for "we need it for pests" because my husband got himself a pellot gun to kill off rats in our yard.

That is the only gun we own. :lol:


i LiVE iN the Forest...
We 'Use' Big Snakes For That...
But Yes, Very Nice Snakes that are

Just Hungry...
Keeping the
Population
of Rodents
in Check...

Other than that
i Let Other Life
Do All the 'Real Work' too..;)


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27 Aug 2020, 1:46 pm

My thoughts...if it's for "hobby" or "collecting", this is really kind of a useless reason to own weapons. It'd be like if I had a collection of nukes in my garage. Well I'm not going to *use* them, I just like having them. Ok, whatever. Just let it go. I've had friends who acquired/collected them and liked to go shooting (just to destroy trees or shoot and cans and things out in the country, it sounds somewhat fun and everything), but I can't help but feel it's a bit immature and pointless. Again, get another hobby. I'm confident that if we prohibited guns, people would move on and go about their lives with no problems (and be better off overall).

I've never shot a gun. I did own a gun at one point, when I was really thinking of doing something dangerous, and I ended up having to get rid of it, because I was experiencing mental illness at the time.

If it's for hunting...bleh, killing innocent, defenseless animals isn't my cup of tea, and I think you need to get a new hobby if that's what you're into. Target shooting is more justified since it's not hurting anyone, but you can do that with non-deadly weapons.

For self-defense, this is often counter-productive or makes no real difference. Again, non-lethal weapons can be used instead. If you're using a lethal weapon and you kill someone in "self defense", you may very well end up being charged with manslaughter or something, if he wasn't using the same level of force on you...or he's more likely to pull a gun on you and endanger you, if you are the one to pull it first...it just complicates things imo. I know they make people *feel* safe, but I see it as somewhat of an illusion. Most of those people are safe anyway. How many people statistically who own them end up having to use them to protect themselves? It just fuels paranoia.

There's no particularly good reason for people to have them that outweighs the cons, i.e. them falling into the wrong hands and innocent people being killed. I say leave guns to fantasy video games etc and mostly keep them out of real life. They aren't toys and people can't be trusted with them. For the police I guess it's fine, they're trained to use them and I guess we gotta trust some people with them, so the good guys have them as well in case the bad guys get their hands on them. But right now it's too easy for the bad guys to get them.

I'd be ok with America following the rest of the world and giving up their gun culture. Maybe it's easy for bad guys to get them anyway even if they're illegal, I don't know. Some of the time maybe it is.


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28 Aug 2020, 4:01 am

People who say it is for protection, is that protection against others with guns?

It's a genuine question, I am in a country without guns so cant quite understand the feeling of needing guns to protect yourself. What do you feel needs protecting?



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28 Aug 2020, 8:50 am

Biscuitman wrote:
People who say it is for protection, is that protection against others with guns?

It's a genuine question, I am in a country without guns so cant quite understand the feeling of needing guns to protect yourself. What do you feel needs protecting?
I know this is going to start a avalanche of angry responses, but here it goes.
Yes guns are for personal protection. The Second amendment of the US Constitution states that citizens have the right to bear arms.
The founders meant that the people as sovereign citizens should be able to defend themselves not only from criminals but also from a tyrannical government. That is the reason so many career politicians are in favor of disarming the citizenry.



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28 Aug 2020, 10:40 am

^^^

i agree with everything you are saying
Here, except the last Sentence that aligns
With 'this Age Old-Conspiracy-Theory'
that 'Dictates' A so-called 'Left' Wants to
Take Second Amendment Rights to Bear Arms
Away; In Short, NO; What they DO want to Do
is Regulate Arms; so, it is less likely that 17-Year-Old
Juveniles Don't Go Shooting Up Folks and Ending up
in Jail the Rest of their Lives;

Fact is, Per Humanity always;
Humanity has to Be protected
From It Self With Order of Rules;
This Includes Regulating Arms too;
No Different than Not Allowing Folks
Who are Institutionalized for Wanting to
Harm Others or Harm Themselves from
Purchasing Guns; such is the Human condition: MESSY TOO.

There is nothing 'Angry' About this; It is simply Common Sense
for those Who Understand an Entire Spectrum of the Human Condition, at least..:)

i Got News for 'You';
Regulating Guns is
Actually Conservative for it is
Caution, And VERY CONSERVATIVE
IN Saving Human Lives; Whereas,
Going all Reckless and
Letting Everyone
Carry a
Gun Like the
So-called Wild-West
is why 'they' Called it
the so-called 'Wild West, in the First Place;
before it faded away and we got more Civilized,
And Yes, More Conservative too; What the so-Called
'Right' Has imposed in Terms of no right to regulate
Arms to make Folks Safer; is indeed NOT Conservative at all....

So goes the
Myth that
the Right
is All Conservative
And the Left is All Liberal;
Oh Lord, is it Conservative not to Protect
the Health of Others with Universal Health Care;
Oh Lord, is it not Conservative to Protect the Lives
of others by Wearing a Mask in a Pandemic; So, 'You'
tell me what is not Conservative about Saving Human
Lives; in fact, of the Scientific Assessed Empirical Matter;
Abortion is at Its Lowest Rates since 1973, when Rowe Versus
Wade was Passed; More Effective Planned Parent Education and
Effective Contraception was Introduced, Particularly, since 'the Pill'
in 1960; all of this Reduces the Maiming and Permanent Disability, Dying
And Even More Suffering for the Unborn And Mothers in Pain that Comes from Countries
Where Abortions are Illegal; Just like what Happened in U.S., Back-Alley and Coat Hanger
Abortions before 1973; yet the 'Ignorance' of 'Church'; Attempting to Be 'State' imposes
'A Morality' that
Would Actually
Harm More Mother's
And Unborn Children
In Suffering than Safe
And Medically Approved
Abortion now; and no, there
Would be No More Peaceful Catholic
Protests in Back Alley Coat Hanger Abortions;
Just More Suffering And Misery in Pouring Blood
And Guts; No different than what is Happening in
The Streets with Close to Automatic Long Guns too;

No; That's NOT Conservative;

That's Liberally 'Ignorant'.

Words Don't Mean Much at
all if they Don't Actually Breathe the Definitions...

And Why Do these Conspiracy Theories Continue; Misery
Loves Company in Lies that are proven incorrect by Science (Reason)

Indeed,
that is
NOT Conservative Either...
Really it's only 'Ignorance';
NOT A 'Pejorative' but by Veils of Lies
in Dark Not Opened in Light of Truth;
Yes, Assessed by Science of Reason; in FACTS.

Science Is Conservative; Some Religion is too;
But there is NO More Conservative Than Science;
indeed, Reason Incarnate in 'A Word' And Tool.

When one comes in Balance
Again; to See Art and Reason
of Humanity; one comes to Breathe in ease;
It's an Individual Process; Each Person Must work
To Lift 'these Veils' of Group Think that yes, is Conservative
For Survival in Keeping Folks Singing off the Same Choir Sheet of Ideologies
To Maintain Group Cohesion That May Seem Conservative this way in the Forest of
Seeing the Group; But When You Look at the Ideologies; indeed many are not Conservative at All...

Really, in terms of
The 'Right' and 'Even'
'Left'; Keeping Folks Believing
The Same Lines of Ideology is Conservative,
in Both Right And Left; It's Just Depends on what those Ideologies are;
IF A Practice of Conservatism actually Exists in Tree Level Details out of

the Forest of Group Think or Not.

The Truth is the so-called Right
is More Liberal Now than they ever
Have Been in my Life; Go Figure;
Trump has
Never
Been
Conservative;
He's Basically an
Addict and A Gambler;
Trying to fill an Empty Space
Within Never really Nourished With Love;
Credible Witnesses have accounted For 'this Science' too.
So What Happens When so-Called Conservative Folks adopt
Ideologies of a Gambler And An Addict; they to fall to the same'Dis-Ease'....

You'll Find Almost all of 2,000 Folks Sitting Close to Each Other Without 'PandemicAlly'
Protecting Lives With Saving Masks in a Convention to Promote/Vote For Someone Who is Risking
their Life in that Moment
through Coercion
of Ignorance Indeed;
It's Not Like This isn't
Clear as Glass for me
And Mud for 'them';
but i do understand
the Human Condition
And continue to Observe it in Kind...

So Safe, in My Feathered Financially
Independent; Somewhat Surprisingly, Elite Nest; but
'You' See; Now, i Do understand the "Nature of the Beast"

Left
And
Right;

Trump is indeed A Gift,
Opening Eyes to What Makes Humanity Tick...


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28 Aug 2020, 10:46 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
The founders meant that the people as sovereign citizens should be able to defend themselves not only from criminals but also from a tyrannical government. That is the reason so many career politicians are in favor of disarming the citizenry.

Well over the last 4 years our government has become tyrannical. So?


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28 Aug 2020, 11:01 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
People who say it is for protection, is that protection against others with guns?

It's a genuine question, I am in a country without guns so cant quite understand the feeling of needing guns to protect yourself. What do you feel needs protecting?
I know this is going to start a avalanche of angry responses, but here it goes.
Yes guns are for personal protection. The Second amendment of the US Constitution states that citizens have the right to bear arms.
The founders meant that the people as sovereign citizens should be able to defend themselves not only from criminals but also from a tyrannical government. That is the reason so many career politicians are in favor of disarming the citizenry.


I totally get it's in the constitution and it's peoples right to have a gun if they want, but I guess where I get lost is when people say they feel they need one for protection.

What is happening in America, that is not happening elsewhere in the world, that means Americans feel the need to have an assault rifle in their house for protection?



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28 Aug 2020, 12:39 pm

MaxE wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
The founders meant that the people as sovereign citizens should be able to defend themselves not only from criminals but also from a tyrannical government. That is the reason so many career politicians are in favor of disarming the citizenry.

Well over the last 4 years our government has become tyrannical. So?

How?



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28 Aug 2020, 2:09 pm

Right to bear arms to defend against tyrannical government...an outdated and now useless law. Maybe relevant hundreds of years ago, look at what that has turned into in modern times. The citizens are allowed to bear "arms" whereas the government now have...tanks, bombs, armies? Look, a bunch of civilians with guns aren't going to do sh*t if it comes to you vs. the government and their law enforcement, military, etc. So that's a ridiculously silly reason to "bear arms". At *best*, you're taking down an officer or two with you, before you're gunned down or spend your life in jail or get the death penalty, when you could be looking at much more lenient sentence, by surrendering. It can't make things better, it can only escalate them and make them worse. The people aren't strong enough to overthrow the government even on a miniscule level, and haven't been for long time, and it's not going to change.


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28 Aug 2020, 2:28 pm

One of the reasons Japan never attempted an invasion of the West Coast is because they knew Americans were armed so I must disagree. Governments fear an armed citizenry.



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28 Aug 2020, 2:51 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
One of the reasons Japan never attempted an invasion of the West Coast is because they knew Americans were armed so I must disagree. Governments fear an armed citizenry.


That was a long time ago, it's no longer particularly relevant. Nor was that our own government. I could see it making a difference if we were to be invaded. But do we have reason to be afraid of that happening?


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29 Aug 2020, 9:09 am

eyelessshiver wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
One of the reasons Japan never attempted an invasion of the West Coast is because they knew Americans were armed so I must disagree. Governments fear an armed citizenry.


That was a long time ago, it's no longer particularly relevant. Nor was that our own government. I could see it making a difference if we were to be invaded. But do we have reason to be afraid of that happening?

I don't know but I wish someone would tell me why Ottawa has lately been stockpiling such an unusually large arsenal :wink:

Anyway, I am inclined to think that business about Japan being scared to invade the US is a highly popular urban legend, but supposing it's true, it reminds me that, not long ago, many non-Americans would see cowboy movies and seriously believe it represented real life in modern-day America. I have heard stories of immigrants stepping off a boat in NY harbor and being surprised to see men wearing suits and ties rather than cowboy hats and having a gun holster strapped around their waist. Even so, I am VERY hard-pressed to believe that the Japanese, with their Bushido tradition and probably the most warlike society at that time, would really be intimidated by the thought of a bunch of cowboys running behind rocks and firing six-shooters. Very hard to believe, indeed!


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