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14 Mar 2018, 3:22 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Hearing voices does not make you mentally ill.


What?

I have never met a "normal" person who heard voices. :?


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20 Mar 2018, 6:44 pm

Mikah wrote:
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I found a faith based belief system extremely intellectually constricting...


It doesn't have to be and don't forget, Atheism is a faith. I don't speak for you, but when I was an atheist, I found myself meeting religious ideas with indignant revulsion. Sin? Final Judgement? A Lord to whom I must answer? *retch*. Atheism certainly limited me. The very least of it was the beautiful artwork, prose and poetry that encapsulated religious ideas and themes, things I rejected on general principle because atheizm is for smartzzz peoplezz like me. Ugh, I hate my younger self.


So there is no misunderstanding:
I respect you as a person... :wink:

Atheism is not a faith...
It embraces the scientific methodology...
Your turn... :mrgreen:



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20 Mar 2018, 7:03 pm

Atheism can take on the character of a fanatical "faith" at times.

If there are atheists who believe religious folks should be locked up, that's too fanatical for my tastes.

I am an atheist---but I am not anti-religion.

It would be nice if there was a nice, benevolent God--and a Heaven where decent people go when they die. I don't believe in either.



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21 Mar 2018, 6:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Atheism can take on the character of a fanatical "faith" at times.

If there are atheists who believe religious folks should be locked up, that's too fanatical for my tastes.


I would think/hope most atheists have a greater respect for the principles:
-"Live and let live"...
-Freedom of choice...
-Freedom of speech and thought...

Some religions are determined to force their beliefs onto others...

Simply having a different weltanschauung doesn't qualify someone to be institutionalised...
It is the potential for some people to harm themselves or others which is the criteria...
And of course, this applies to everyone...



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22 Mar 2018, 1:30 am

Pepe wrote:
Atheism is not a faith...
It embraces the scientific methodology...
Your turn... :mrgreen:


It has to be. Atheism is a world view chosen, an assumption, a hope, about the nature of the universe, lived out in thought and action, made from a position of no knowledge. I don't know how the universe came into being, I don't know what came before (I'm aware of the problem of "before" here, no need for the lecture about spacetime), I don't know if there are things that can't be observed and measured by science. I don't know if there is a purpose to it all hidden from me. Neither do you, my friend. The only truly honest and rational position someone can take is agnosticism. To choose to believe and live as though there were no God, is a leap of faith, just as a leap in the opposite direction is.


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22 Mar 2018, 1:37 am

Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Atheism is not a faith...
It embraces the scientific methodology...
Your turn... :mrgreen:


It has to be. Atheism is a world view chosen, an assumption, a hope, about the nature of the universe, lived out in thought and action, made from a position of no knowledge. I don't know how the universe came into being, I don't know what came before (I'm aware of the problem of "before" here, no need for the lecture about spacetime), I don't know if there are things that can't be observed and measured by science. I don't know if there is a purpose to it all hidden from me. Neither do you, my friend. The only truly honest and rational position someone can take is agnosticism. To choose to believe and live as though there were no God, is a leap of faith, just as a leap in the opposite direction is.


We will have to agree to disagree here...
We still agree elsewhere on other things...
Win some...
Lose some...
<shrug>
Cheers... :wink:



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22 Mar 2018, 2:26 am

Pepe wrote:
We will have to agree to disagree here...
We still agree elsewhere on other things...
Win some...
Lose some...
<shrug>
Cheers... :wink:


Hehe sword sheathed? Too bad, I was wearing my fancy armour.


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22 Mar 2018, 2:53 am

Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
We will have to agree to disagree here...
We still agree elsewhere on other things...
Win some...
Lose some...
<shrug>
Cheers... :wink:


Hehe sword sheathed? Too bad, I was wearing my fancy armour.


It may be intellectual dishonesty to a slight degree, but I tend to "forgive" occasional transgressions by people I like...<wave @ Kraftie and Kraichgauer>
*Sometimes* pure honesty has to take a back seat...<sigh>

I guess it falls into the realm of "lies through omission", but without them, it is virtually impossible to create a connection...<shrug>
I guess I am mellowing with age...finally... :wink:



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22 Mar 2018, 3:05 am

Pepe wrote:
It may be intellectual dishonesty to a slight degree, but I tend to "forgive" occasional transgressions by people I like...<wave @ Kraftie and Kraichgauer>
*Sometimes* pure honesty has to take a back seat...<sigh>

I guess it falls into the realm of "lies through omission", but without them, it is virtually impossible to create a connection...<shrug>
I guess I am mellowing with age...finally... :wink:


I see. Are you sparing them from your looming verbal decapitation of believers or just me? Because I can take it.


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22 Mar 2018, 3:17 am

Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
It may be intellectual dishonesty to a slight degree, but I tend to "forgive" occasional transgressions by people I like...<wave @ Kraftie and Kraichgauer>
*Sometimes* pure honesty has to take a back seat...<sigh>

I guess it falls into the realm of "lies through omission", but without them, it is virtually impossible to create a connection...<shrug>
I guess I am mellowing with age...finally... :wink:


I see. Are you sparing them from your looming verbal decapitation of believers or just me? Because I can take it.


I am sparring people in this thread by suggesting we should take this discussion into PM... :mrgreen:



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22 Mar 2018, 11:35 am

And you haven't committed "transgressions," Mr. Pepe?



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22 Mar 2018, 3:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
And you haven't committed "transgressions," Mr. Pepe?


Errrm...
I never transgress... 8O
I simply speak the truth...
Look at my signature: I'm the Oracle of Truth...:mrgreen:

As Sancho Panza said: "There's no use blaming my eye, it doesn't make the world it only sees it".... :wink:

Well, as often happens I was being facetious... 8O
In this context "transgression" means defying my monopoly on the truth... :mrgreen:



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28 Mar 2018, 8:27 pm

I think religeon has an awful lot to answer for but for some reason its as strong as ever. In science we require proof but not reigeon, do the math



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29 Apr 2018, 11:53 am

fifasy wrote:
I think anyone who claims a being there is no proof of existing is real should be diagnosed with schizophrenia, detained against their will in a mental hospital and pumped full of drugs. It is curious that we do that to people who talk to "voices" but not to people who talk to "God".


You missed the criterion in the DSM/ICD that says a delusional belief must cause a significant impairment in occupational and social functioning. This is paramount because otherwise we'd return to the old Soviet diagnosis of "sluggish schizophrenia", which was used to justify taking away freedoms from anyone with undesirable (political) opinions.

To have a false belief, without any impairment in social and occupational functioning, does not constitute a mental illness according to psychiatric guidelines.


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30 Apr 2018, 10:47 pm

I don't think that religious people should be locked up in mental hospitals. I'd hate to be locked up because I'm a Christian.

Why were you locked up?
I believe in God.
Let my child go!


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01 May 2018, 4:20 pm

No, they're far too numerous for the rest of us to support and we lack sufficient beds. :lol:


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