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27 Oct 2020, 4:58 pm

MERS is the much more fatal cousin of SARS-Cov-2 with a fatality rate of 37%; maybe it’s the death rate among hospitalized cases only but certainly way higher than its cousin.

http://www.emro.who.int/pandemic-epidem ... -2020.html

The thing is; it has the same symptoms as SARS-Cov-2 with almost the same incubation period.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/ab ... ptoms.html


I am not a virus expert; but I am seeing no reason why MERS would be less contagious and slower in spreading than SARS-Cov-2, we’re just being lucky so far that’s it not spreading out of the desert but for how long? :o



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28 Oct 2020, 4:45 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MERS is the much more fatal cousin of SARS-Cov-2 with a fatality rate of 37%; maybe it’s the death rate among hospitalized cases only but certainly way higher than its cousin.

http://www.emro.who.int/pandemic-epidem ... -2020.html

The thing is; it has the same symptoms as SARS-Cov-2 with almost the same incubation period.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/ab ... ptoms.html


I am not a virus expert; but I am seeing no reason why MERS would be less contagious and slower in spreading than SARS-Cov-2, we’re just being lucky so far that’s it not spreading out of the desert but for how long? :o

That "luck" is almost certainly a reflection of it genuinely being much less contagious. Similarly with haemorrhagic fevers. I don't want to compare forms of misery, but give me a coronavirus ahead of a filovirus any day of the week.



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28 Oct 2020, 5:10 am

The_Walrus wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MERS is the much more fatal cousin of SARS-Cov-2 with a fatality rate of 37%; maybe it’s the death rate among hospitalized cases only but certainly way higher than its cousin.

http://www.emro.who.int/pandemic-epidem ... -2020.html

The thing is; it has the same symptoms as SARS-Cov-2 with almost the same incubation period.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/ab ... ptoms.html


I am not a virus expert; but I am seeing no reason why MERS would be less contagious and slower in spreading than SARS-Cov-2, we’re just being lucky so far that’s it not spreading out of the desert but for how long? :o

That "luck" is almost certainly a reflection of it genuinely being much less contagious. Similarly with haemorrhagic fevers. I don't want to compare forms of misery, but give me a coronavirus ahead of a filovirus any day of the week.


More deadly diseases tend to spread less and be more easily contained because it incapacitates whoever contracts it instead of having asymptomatic/lightly symptomatic people going about their life as normal. For similar reasons easier to track and contain.


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28 Oct 2020, 5:42 am

Antrax wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MERS is the much more fatal cousin of SARS-Cov-2 with a fatality rate of 37%; maybe it’s the death rate among hospitalized cases only but certainly way higher than its cousin.

http://www.emro.who.int/pandemic-epidem ... -2020.html

The thing is; it has the same symptoms as SARS-Cov-2 with almost the same incubation period.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/ab ... ptoms.html


I am not a virus expert; but I am seeing no reason why MERS would be less contagious and slower in spreading than SARS-Cov-2, we’re just being lucky so far that’s it not spreading out of the desert but for how long? :o

That "luck" is almost certainly a reflection of it genuinely being much less contagious. Similarly with haemorrhagic fevers. I don't want to compare forms of misery, but give me a coronavirus ahead of a filovirus any day of the week.


More deadly diseases tend to spread less and be more easily contained because it incapacitates whoever contracts it instead of having asymptomatic/lightly symptomatic people going about their life as normal. For similar reasons easier to track and contain.



That's true, but the virus in question has an incubation period from 6 to 14 days; tad similar to SARS-Cov-2. Not much studies done on it yet for when it's contagious tho.



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28 Oct 2020, 6:07 am

MERS had an outbreak in South Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Midd ... outh_Korea
Some commenters say, that's why South Korea had such a well-cooperated response to covid.


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28 Oct 2020, 12:33 pm

Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


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28 Oct 2020, 5:05 pm

At that level of mortality, people will panic, but there won't be a president in the world telling his people that it's no different from the seasonal flu. So... The whole wory would respond differently, more extreme, and people will be much more compliant.

And I'm sure some governments will use the disorder in the way they are using it now, to push through legislation that would otherwise spark outrage. But my guess is, they'd argue it's necessary to fight global terrorism, ah, I mean, the virus.


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28 Oct 2020, 5:24 pm

Didn't SARS have a really high death rate early on? My money would be on MERS 2 turning out like SARS 2, not as bad as it could have.


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28 Oct 2020, 5:35 pm

MERS and SARS-1 (especially MERS) are each more serious than COVID----But fewer people get both, especially MERS, which happens to be the most serious out of the three.



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07 Nov 2020, 2:28 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/



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07 Nov 2020, 3:34 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/

People need to stop tormenting animals.That would help immensely.It’s like all the pain we’ve inflicted on them is coming back to bite us on our collective a$$.
Its only a matter of time before some raging bird virus gets loose here.So many poultry farms in Arkansas.


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07 Nov 2020, 3:46 pm

Misslizard wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/

People need to stop tormenting animals.That would help immensely.It’s like all the pain we’ve inflicted on them is coming back to bite us on our collective a$$.
Its only a matter of time before some raging bird virus gets loose here.So many poultry farms in Arkansas.


yes. that is definitely true. but not enough.
there's a lot of potential still in wild animals, to the point that scientists in south america are tracking the movement of swarms of bats to predict disease outbreaks. - apparently, bats have a higher body temperature and a weaker immune system, which means they are a great breeding ground for organisms that are a bit more heat stable - which creates viruses and bacteria that can't be destroyed by a fever...


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07 Nov 2020, 4:54 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/

People need to stop tormenting animals.That would help immensely.It’s like all the pain we’ve inflicted on them is coming back to bite us on our collective a$$.
Its only a matter of time before some raging bird virus gets loose here.So many poultry farms in Arkansas.


yes. that is definitely true. but not enough.
there's a lot of potential still in wild animals, to the point that scientists in south america are tracking the movement of swarms of bats to predict disease outbreaks. - apparently, bats have a higher body temperature and a weaker immune system, which means they are a great breeding ground for organisms that are a bit more heat stable - which creates viruses and bacteria that can't be destroyed by a fever...

My neighbor had bats in his attic and he blocked them out.Somehow one got in the house in his bedroom and bit him.He had to get rabies shots.
Around here it’s mostly tick borne diseases.I know several people with Lyme disease.


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07 Nov 2020, 5:03 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/

15-17 million mink are being put down because of this in Denmark... and we are not even sure the strain still exists... :|



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07 Nov 2020, 6:13 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Most viruses with a high mortality rate don’t spread as easily, you need a living host walking around sneezing and coughing on everyone.


Yes, but plagues like the Bubonic plague happened.


A new strain of SARS 2: https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november ... enmark/en/

People need to stop tormenting animals.That would help immensely.It’s like all the pain we’ve inflicted on them is coming back to bite us on our collective a$$.
Its only a matter of time before some raging bird virus gets loose here.So many poultry farms in Arkansas.


yes. that is definitely true. but not enough.
there's a lot of potential still in wild animals, to the point that scientists in south america are tracking the movement of swarms of bats to predict disease outbreaks. - apparently, bats have a higher body temperature and a weaker immune system, which means they are a great breeding ground for organisms that are a bit more heat stable - which creates viruses and bacteria that can't be destroyed by a fever...



That’s why it is a bad idea to make a bat soup....



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07 Nov 2020, 7:02 pm

Or wear mink coats.


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