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07 Nov 2018, 3:42 am

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So at this point it looks like the Republicans will pick up about 3 seats in the Senate and will retain their majority control. The Democrats will pick up maybe 30 seats in the House and take majority control.

The American constitutional system is designed to divide and disperse power, and the two-party system naturally oscillates. In midterm elections, the president's party ordinarily loses seats in Congress; what's interesting is the magnitude of the change, and the background against which it occurs.

In Obama's first midterm in 2010, after two years of slobbering adulation from the media, the president's party *lost* six seats in the Senate, and lost more than 60 in the House. The Democrats' loss in Obama's first midterm was the largest since the 1940s or so.

In Trump's first midterm, after two years of vicious media lies and abuse, the Republicans didn't lose but actually *gained* in the Senate, and lost a only moderate amount in the House.

No partisan is ever satisfied with any election's results, but this was in general an above-average midterm result for the president's party in the Senate, and an average result in the House.


This was a fairly good analysis.

I would hope both sides will get it in thier heads the the other side is not going away at least for the next 2 years. Trump’s America will not be no platformed out of existence and barring something completly unforseen the dream of Congress removing Trump should be forgotten about. Even if the House impeaches how on earth is the more Republican Senate going to get the 2/3 majarity vote to convict? Owning the libs is not going to make them go away, carrying out terrorist attacks on the type of people you hate is only going to make them more determined.

The blue wave tsunami did not happen. The flip of the house is a big deal BUT as noted above 35 seats or so is not a wave election. The Senate could arguably be written off because so many Democrats were defending seats compared with republicans but that does not explain the mixed Gubernatorial results.

The idea of a SJW, socialist, mellenial Bernie bro typs taking over the dems the way Trump took over the Republicans was oversold. That wing is real and has moved the party to the left but most of the Democrat winners are mainstream. Yes America has its first gay governor and the year of the women was not hype, there are going to be about 100 congresswomen. But many of them are veterans not likely to be snowflakes. Nancy Polosi is going to be the speaker a deal maker(who will fight off attempts to impeach)

Obama was the biggest political winner. All the polls said health care was the biggest issue and the Democrats succesfully campaigned on it. New programs are always bitter fights because if you oppose a paticular program you know if you lose you are not likely to be able take it away at some later date because the program will become an entitlement if not a right. Key elements of Obamacare are just as untouchable as Social Security.

What the future holds is up to us. People may double down thinking the other “evil” side is still a force because our good side has been too nice or they can reluctantly resign themselves to stalemate(compromise is probably too much to ask at this point).


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07 Nov 2018, 4:40 am

Darmok wrote:
So at this point it looks like the Republicans will pick up about 3 seats in the Senate and will retain their majority control. The Democrats will pick up maybe 30 seats in the House and take majority control.

The American constitutional system is designed to divide and disperse power, and the two-party system naturally oscillates. In midterm elections, the president's party ordinarily loses seats in Congress; what's interesting is the magnitude of the change, and the background against which it occurs.

In Obama's first midterm in 2010, after two years of slobbering adulation from the media, the president's party *lost* six seats in the Senate, and lost more than 60 in the House. The Democrats' loss in Obama's first midterm was the largest since the 1940s or so.

In Trump's first midterm, after two years of vicious media lies and abuse, the Republicans didn't lose but actually *gained* in the Senate, and lost a only moderate amount in the House.

No partisan is ever satisfied with any election's results, but this was in general an above-average midterm result for the president's party in the Senate, and an average result in the House.


"In Obama's first midterm in 2010, after two years of slobbering adulation from the media" LOL! More like after years of false, racist claims that Obama wasn't even an American, propagated by Donald Trump.

"after two years of vicious media lies and abuse" LOL! Aww, did the poor baby in the White House suffer needlessly just because he separated children from parents and put them in concentration camps? Did poor babykins Trump get abused just because of his rants about women, ethnic minorities and religions? And all of that from the same whiner and complainer about the "failed" New York Times.

"the Republicans ... lost a only moderate amount in the House" LOL! The Republicans didn't just lose a moderate amount in the House, they lost the House itself which is now in Democratic hands.

And gubernatorial evildoers like Scott Walker have finally been shown the door. The Dems picked up an additional 7 statehouses.



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07 Nov 2018, 5:38 am

It's being called a "purple puddle".

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07 Nov 2018, 7:27 am

The pollsters got it right! :lol:

The blue wave washed the republicans out of the House, but broke apart against the red wall around the Senate.



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07 Nov 2018, 9:20 am

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... The blue wave washed the republicans out of the House, but broke apart against the red wall around the Senate.
Yup! Two more years of bluff and bluster from the White House as the Legislature becomes too constipated to pass anything.

:roll: All that red meat, y'know...



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07 Nov 2018, 9:45 am

Despite Democrats gaining control of the House, it's still an absolutely catastrophic failure of democracy, and a huuuuge win for Trump. Senate Republicans lost by 12,056,922 votes, but by drastic gerrymandering and voter suppression managed to gain two seats anyway. Trump and the rest of his Fascist cabal will proceed unhindered to stack the Federal judiciary with reactionary right-wing sock puppets (probably including at least one more SCOTUS justice), which will f**k the United States for at least the next 40 years.



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07 Nov 2018, 10:05 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpJ8CbrWX_Y

Nope; Not so Much A Blue Wave or a Red one; But Yes, A Vote For Love also Known and Felt and Sensed As
Empathy, Sympathy, Compassion; and By God Yes, the smARTS of Cognitive Empathy too; Yup, more
Of A Woman's Touch in the House is Just the Pink Wave this Country Needs in Checks and Balances
to Cool the Wave of Trump Style Toxic Patriarchy that has inundated the Country the Last Two
Years in 'Little Man Syndrome' Style that is about as Far Far Far Away from Real 'Alpha' Leader
Ship Even Amongst Chimpanzees as the Alpha Male Among Apes with Hair From Head to
toe is valued Most With Empathy by God; And not a Soulless 'BLack WHoLE SuN'
Human As Such Otherwise MetaphoRED Here at Least Now as the So-Called 'Little
Man' Leader of the Free World; Unable to Show any Empathy, Sympathy, Compassion and
or Cognitive Empathy; and by God, not even for Himself; for if he had any Real Self Esteem
He Would Not Feel the Need to Continuously Come up with Lies to Offend Those With Superior
Ethics in what it counts to even be a Human Among Chimpanzees and Particularly Chimpanzee
So-Named Alpha Leaders; as even Frans de Waal Will Admit, We Insult Chimpanzee Alpha Leaders
By Comparing them to 'Trumpian' Styles of Leaders as the Evidence at Hand below in the Link Clearly
Details too. Psychopathic Tendencies; as far as those Attributes Away from Empathy is on the Bottom of
the Checklist of what it means to be Alpha, even among Chimpanzees; And Yes, there are Alpha Matriarchs
Among both Chimpanzees and Bonobos; And Yes that does apply to Humans too as just see what Happens
Next as the 'Grey Hairs' in the 'Pews of Church' Among those Who are Left on Sunday Morning, Sunday Night,
and Wednesday Night too are Phased out by Spirituality More in/as Love than the Pastor Dictating to the 'Gray Hairs'
on Sunday Morning who to Vote for on Just One Wedge Issue like Abortion in Ignorance of what would really Happen
in Back Alley Abortions; And Just More Babies in Dumpsters; and Permanent Disability; and Greater Mortality Rates for
Women;
Well, Anyway For Now
Health Care in Obama
Developed Ways is once
Again Safe Enough Where my
Sister will retain Her Coverage; An
only issue that Affects any Closest Member of
my Family; Along With Rights Among Minorities
too. And Yes, Trump Will Face Accountability for
What He does; and No Longer will there be the Chance
for Him to Escape the Results of the Coming Mueller Investigation;
Yes, A Pink Wave Will Work to Protect the Attributes of Alpha Leadership
in either Male or Female way that spells one word of 7 Letters Best with
A 4 Letter Word that Spells Pink; by God yes, F in Empathy as Fun in Empathy
too; Where the Last are the First who Serve the Rest Still Best; 'Jesus' Would/Will be Proud too
Now iF
he Was/
IS Real
in terms of
Matthew, Chapter
5, Verses 3 through 8;
the Part every Church i have
Reviewed in the Last Two Years
Has Totally Forgotten now like the
Story of A Jesus Never Existed too for Real aT ALL.


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07 Nov 2018, 10:52 am

The fact that even moderate GOPers/"Never Trump"-ers were routed, or are in very close races, should be a red flag for the GOP.


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07 Nov 2018, 11:34 am

My state mostly swerved blue, which I was expecting because after they legalized weed (And made leaving my house 10x harder) a lot of blue pot heads moved here for the pot. I don't know the exact number, but it was a lot. My state was before pretty close between the two, so it only takes a little push to get it one way or another.

I really hated the republican governor choice, so I don't fully mind, (He was running a smear campaign so hard I wanted to wring his neck every time I got an ad), but I hope someone still has the sense to stop allowing full term abortion. Yes, in my state you could have an abortion a day before your due date if you wanted. Even most democrats are against that much.

The republican seemed more focused on immigration, which is just stupid as far as I can see. I personally don't care if someone crosses a made up line without permission instead of waiting 15+ years to have the okay.


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07 Nov 2018, 12:12 pm

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but he's just flat-out gonna disobey and the senate will protect him. can anybody spell "constitutional crisis"?


The subpoena for Trump's taxes won't go to Trump. It will go to the IRS. To block it, Trump will have to go to court. That's why Trump wanted Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is a great believer in presidential power.

Kav is basically a neofascist just like his stablemate Gorsuch [who belonged to a university fascist club as a youth].


Maybe just start a thread about fascism rather than every post?


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07 Nov 2018, 12:18 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
but he's just flat-out gonna disobey and the senate will protect him. can anybody spell "constitutional crisis"?


The subpoena for Trump's taxes won't go to Trump. It will go to the IRS. To block it, Trump will have to go to court. That's why Trump wanted Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is a great believer in presidential power.

Kav is basically a neofascist just like his stablemate Gorsuch [who belonged to a university fascist club as a youth].


Maybe just start a thread about fascism rather than every post?

So confine discussion of the Republican Party in general, and Trumpism in particular, to just one thread?



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07 Nov 2018, 12:32 pm

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Despite Democrats gaining control of the House, it's still an absolutely catastrophic failure of democracy, and a huuuuge win for Trump. Senate Republicans lost by 12,056,922 votes, but by drastic gerrymandering and voter suppression managed to gain two seats anyway.

Actually, gerrymandering affects only the House, not the Senate. Each state has exactly two Senators who are voted for statewide, whereas House districts are shaped (gerrymandered) to the political advantage of whichever party has power in the state legislature when redistricting is done. So Republican gerrymandering means that the proportion of House Democrats isn't as large as it could be.

What does skew the Senate in favor of Republicans is not gerrymandering, but the fact that Republicans tend to be more popular in rural areas, whereas Democrats tend to be more popular in cities. Thus Republican-dominated states tend to have much lower total population than Democratic-dominated states. Because every state has two senators regardless of population, the less densely populated (hence more rural) states are represented out of proportion to their population.


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07 Nov 2018, 12:53 pm

Piobaire wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
but he's just flat-out gonna disobey and the senate will protect him. can anybody spell "constitutional crisis"?


The subpoena for Trump's taxes won't go to Trump. It will go to the IRS. To block it, Trump will have to go to court. That's why Trump wanted Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is a great believer in presidential power.

Kav is basically a neofascist just like his stablemate Gorsuch [who belonged to a university fascist club as a youth].


Maybe just start a thread about fascism rather than every post?

So confine discussion of the Republican Party in general, and Trumpism in particular, to just one thread?


Yeah. Cause every single political thread turns into a Trump thread.


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07 Nov 2018, 12:56 pm

Democrat voter big win

1. Democrats said they will stand up for the ACA. Block efforts to cut it, block efforts to eliminate medical preexisting condition protections in health insurance.

2. Newly elected Democrat governors could expand Medicaid under the ACA.

Kanas, and Wisconsin have newly elected Democrat governors, and DONT have ACA Medicaid expansion.

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07 Nov 2018, 12:59 pm

Oh, it makes sense to me now. So in the US, the 100 Senate members consist of two from each state, whether it's California with its huge population, or a sparsely populated one like Wyoming?


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07 Nov 2018, 1:04 pm

yeah. states are represented equally in the senate and proportionally in the house.


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