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25 Oct 2018, 5:47 pm

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https://youtu.be/bxiKqA-u8y4

The following is a transcript of what is in the video...
I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with it's accuracy in regards to his actual philosophy...

- Nietzsche is interested in psychological qualities, not the physical ones...

- What is the ideal kind of human being?
-The "superman":
- Makes their own values...
- Is independently minded...
- Will carve their own path...
- Supermen accept that they might have to hurt people...
- They can be selfish in strategic ways...
- Greatness for them will be the reform of humanity towards pagan values...
- Supermen will never be resentful of the success of others...
- They will accept suffering to be a necessary component of good things...
- They will understand that they are hard to understand...and therefore they may often be lonely...
- They will be gentle towards the weak out of consciousness of their own great strength...
- They will be a little wicked around sex by conventional standards...
- They will not be humble but delight in their abilities...
- They will be interested in the practical application of culture to raise the mentality of society...
- Salvation of mankind through culture...
- The super version of ourselves...


All this can be interpreted to green light sociopathy.


By those who have a predilection towards sociopathy and lack critical thinking skills...
But then, does a sociopathic personality type need much encouragement?
They are after all, by definition, psychologically damaged, irrational and have poor reasoning abilities and impulse control...

Also consider:
How prevalent is true sociopathy in the total population?

In addition, consider how religious fundamentalists have perverted and embraced some aspect of their fringe philosophical principles...
And violent religious fanatics who criticise Nietzschean principles are hardly in a position to engage in self-righteousness...

More rational individuals, on the other hand, may gain intellectual enlightenment in some quarters...

And finally, it has not yet been established that Nietzsche's principle of the need to hurt people at times relates to physical pain...
I lean heavily towards the belief that he is referring to emotional discomfort instead...
This is in keeping with his focus on the intellect...

Consider this:
Human tendency is to become emotionally attached to people, things and philosophies...
I suspect that mainstream society understands the correlation between emotional attachments and the desire to maintain the status quo...

Is it not self evident that people tend to resist philosophical change, not because the newer intellectual construct doesn't have advantages or have a greater inherent Truth, but because of the resultant cognitive dissonance it causes...
I suspect that this is the "necessary hurt" to which Nietzsche is referring...

Nietzsche's "Ubermensch"breaks through his/her emotional pain barrier and "will accept suffering to be a necessary component of good things...
The "good things" may refer to intellectual enlightenment...<shrug>
I am confident that these sorts of ambiguities will be resolved to a significant degree with further investigation... ;)


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25 Oct 2018, 6:13 pm

aghogday wrote:

However; it IS A bit simplified in Black and White Terms to Suggest that Nietzsche was not Interested
in the 'Physical' Side of Human Nature Versus the 'Psychological' Nature of Being Human in Respect
to "Wicked Around Sex" as that applies to Conventional Standards and a Reform of Culture Back
to 'Earthy' Pagan Values that are definitely Steeped in the Physical Pleasures of Life;


Having an intellectual bent and enjoying sex is not mutually exclusive...
To the contrary, being able to explore beyond arbitrary social sexual convention necessitates an independent/emancipated mindset...
Otherwise "missionary position" would be all that is on the plate, hardly a banquet... :mrgreen:

I don't yet fully understand what he means about embracing earthy pagan values, but I suspect he is referring to being in touch with the evolutionary realities of life as opposed to a man made arbitrary social protocol convention...<shrug>


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And one more thing,


"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet." Humour is not meant to be taken seriously, yet many pervert its intent.
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26 Oct 2018, 4:57 am


https://youtu.be/OFOb8CJOhYs

Here are some points made in the video...
In order to fully understand the context of these, you will need to watch it...

- An enemy of universal truth...such as the concept of god...
- People terrified to live without religion...
- Nietzsche didn't say many nice things about, democracy, women, equality...
- In a murder trial it was argued that Nietzsche was an important thinker but needed to be handled with care...
- The things that culture tells you are universal, are not true...it is made up...it is arbitrary...
- Nietzsche was blamed for 2 world wars...
- Misuse of Nietzsche...
- Rise of the blonde beast...
- Sister was a proto-Nazi...
- Nietzsche was in a culture of intellectual pygmies...who could not appreciate him...
- Readers not being up to the task of understanding this truly great genius...
- Slavish impoverished American intellectual life that just couldn't handle his powerful ideas...


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,


"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet." Humour is not meant to be taken seriously, yet many pervert its intent.
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26 Oct 2018, 12:31 pm

Pepe wrote:
aghogday wrote:

However; it IS A bit simplified in Black and White Terms to Suggest that Nietzsche was not Interested
in the 'Physical' Side of Human Nature Versus the 'Psychological' Nature of Being Human in Respect
to "Wicked Around Sex" as that applies to Conventional Standards and a Reform of Culture Back
to 'Earthy' Pagan Values that are definitely Steeped in the Physical Pleasures of Life;


Having an intellectual bent and enjoying sex is not mutually exclusive...
To the contrary, being able to explore beyond arbitrary social sexual convention necessitates an independent/emancipated mindset...
Otherwise "missionary position" would be all that is on the plate, hardly a banquet... :mrgreen:

I don't yet fully understand what he means about embracing earthy pagan values, but I suspect he is referring to being in touch with the evolutionary realities of life as opposed to a man made arbitrary social protocol convention...<shrug>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9vAItORgE

Smiles, A Healthy And Creative Mind and Body Set toward Human Sensuality and Sexuality is a Source of all
Human Libido Musing/Inspiring Creativity, Productivity, as Well as Social Cooperation That Makes Human 'smART'.

It's Really no Wonder in 'this way'; Why Cultures that are 'all buttoned up' are a 'bit dry' in ways of
Creativity, Productivity as well as Lots of Aggression and Violence and even talk of World War III
and the such as that with Even Words oF 'APocalypse' that Stray Far from the Original Greek
Definition of 'That Term' that Means Lifting the Heavy Heavy Heavy Veils of Ignorance STiLL.

I'm from Beach Land and in Beach Land where Folks are Close to Naked Actually on the
Beach in the Warmth And Abundance of Sand and Sun and Emerald Green Waters with Seagulls
Spiraling around the Sun and Namely the Beauty of the Sensual Aesthetics of the Bikini; and
i suppose for the Rather Minority of Women who are that much into Males Wearing SpeedoS hehe;
for it is True, the Bikini as a Modern Invention of More Open Minded and Bodied Culture as Science
Shows Will bring Greater Creative and Productive Acts from Males in a best attempt to impress the
'Fairer Gender'; and Meanwhile. Women, in General Fashion as yes there are 'outlier' Males and Females
that don't move along the same assigned sheets of Evolutionary Biology; but it is True, in General, When
Women get turned on by Men in whatever way that works for them they become more Cooperative in Oxytocin Neurohormonal Ways
Amongst Other Women to Show now who will eventually be a Greater Potential Nurturing Mother to Raise Potential offspring too
in the farther or Closer
distant Future
'at hand', As Such, too.
Higher Libido and Intelligence
And Creativity Naturally Hold Hands
together as it takes the Fuel of Dopamine
and the Confidence that comes with Serotonin
and in the Case of Males and Females additional
Sensual Fueled Testosterone For Greater Fearless ways
of Getting Life's Works Done without Anxiety now; True,
though, in the case of someone like Nietzsche and what he was eventually
able to accomplish in just one Lifetime in his rather 'backwards' day of access to
all Human Knowledge and Arts; Raising A Family including Fulfilling the Emotional
Needs of Being Married would have likely greatly reduced the Hours he needed in Solace
to come to his Personal Insights about Life. But on the other Hand, He might have been
Much more Emotionally Happy and Lived Past age 56 Then as Science Shows now, Happy Emotions
And Generally the Metaphor of Living in a 'State of Love' will actually extend life 10 Years
as Scientific Studies do relate, now, too;
Anyway; i do research all the points
i make and if you haven't seen the
Documentary on Lust and Love and
all About the Bonobo and how they
Use Sexuality and the General Force
of Empathy and Love to Diffuse Aggression
And Potential Acts of Violence it is verily worth a Look, too.
The Repression of Human Sensuality and Sexuality is just plain
'literally stupid' as it literally reduces the Fuel of Neurochemicals
that makes us additionally Smarter, More Self Confident, With Greater
Self Esteem, With less Fear in Anxiety too; that in General the Force of
Fear (Yes; The real Dark Force that Leads to the State of Being of Human Hate)
is the Dark Force that literally Kills all stuff Good in life in a State of Negative Stress
as Science Shows That State of Being actually Shortens Life (Or Kills 'it'; Yeah,
Same Basic Earlier Death); so, sure, NoW iN this Way Love Lasts Longer than
Any other
State
of Being (Negative
Stress as related).
I put the Science
Behind my Free Verse Poetry
And definitely Can And
Will link to the Research;
hehe, for anyone who Can and
Will get past 140/280 'Characters'
as it's True, before i worked my way
up to (Overman Focus) it bored me ('retarded'/slower)
in Attention Deficit Disorder to Read a Book at all too.
And Jesus F in Christ, even write one Paragraph other
than a firstly, secondly, thirdly Technical List of Write
that i can surely still do if i put back up 'the Dam' that holds
back much
greater
Human Potential
in Art and Creativity
that Naturally impresses
the Fairer Gender more
as Evolutionary
Biology
Dictates
as Modern
Research still continues to show.
In other words, like any other Human
Male who is still Healthy from Head to toe;
i continue to sharpen my paint Brush to Make
Women Happy From Head to toe just for the Joy of Seeing
Women's Smiles for i am just a Happily Married Man who ain't Dead yet.
And considering Folks at the Local Darkened Bar often give me 2 Decades
in Mulligans for my Age; Obviously, it's F in Working as Far as what Science shows is Evidenced too.
True, considering now REALLY that
Science NoW Shows A Meditative
Dance will keep a 50 Year-Old
Brain in A Physical Condition of
A 25 Year Old Brain; one Might
'Think' that folks would Dance
More to actually Do
A Real F iN Fountain
of Youth
Instead of Rotting
Away Sitting Still and
Literally Waiting For a Heaven in
A Dirt Nap after Death; And This
my Friend is where the 'Pagan Element'
Comes in Hand in regard to the Folks who
Live in the Metaphor/Literal of Naked with Nature;
Those folks have Been Gaslit by Modern Christianity
And Killed through Centuries through American Indian
Cultures who were simply Dancing Wild and Free Closer
to Naked with Nature for what they saw as the Metaphor
for an Entire Being of Existence where All Works Together
to make Life as is; Holding Reality in the Palm of their Hand
As Holy and Sacred Full of Meaning and Purpose Just F in Now;
That my FriEnd IS A Whole Existence of Reality in Beauty that any Wild
And Free Pagan 'Bonobo' who lives a Law of Love; a Grade of Love; and a Currency
of Love will Feel
and Sense
as Light of Life
in Joy Loves Company
in Greater Eternal Bliss now in Thrive
When and Where there is Abundance NoW
for Basic Subsistence and an F in Really Really Real Group Hug oF/iN Love.
It's not that Humans are 'Genetically Stupid'; They've Just Forgotten they are Human and God too
With no Separation Whole With no Need for any Tools of Even Words to Feel and Sense this Reality Now.
True; i Went Way Past Nietzsche HeaR too; but that's what i Naturally Do; Do more when Truly Wild and
Free in a State of Being Love that in Human terms Can and Will take Decades to Achieve just to shed
A Gaslit
Reality
of Something (Clothes)
Less than Heaven now;
(Yes; Cultural Clothes too)
More specifically Love as that
Relates to much more than Giving
Gifts, Quality Time, Touch, Acts
of Service, and Words of
Affirmation Although; Yes
I Also Do those Basic Elements
of what Some Science Suggests Now
Are the Basic 5 Languages of Love; For there
is also the "Autotelic" State of Being Love in a State
of Being Away From all Fear and Negative Feelings that
is Generally Referred to as a State of Agape Love for all; Samadhi,
Satori, Prana, Tao, Nirvana, Bliss, the Kingdom of Heaven within,
Experiencing the Great Spirit of all within; and any other Abstract
Construct that Humans will create in Symboled Form that describes
The Experience that so many others Animals Experience all Naturally
in a State of Animal Homeostasis as the 'Fight and Flight' of Life is Reserved
Only for Capturing Prey and Escaping Predators as that relates to the Darker
Potential Sides of Sensuality and Sexuality out of the Realm of Consensual and
Mutual 'Arms of Love'; but hey; A Female Bonobo will Kick butt as 'Sexual Dimorphism'
isn't Nearly the Issue it is with Humans as to unwelcome advances of that kind now. In
Short, Humans Wear
way too many
Clothes
(in all
the ways
Culture
comes)
and are
Separated
From Nature
in Nature Deficit Disorder
that for me at least is just
a Synonym for God Deficit
Disorder as it's True i for one
See Nature as God but it's also True
as the Record Shows i feel and sense more
of Nature than the Average Buttoned up Fundamentalist
Leaning Average Religious Person or Atheist too; but sure,
there are outliers like Sam Harris who find ways to get out of 'his head' too;
Along with Mystic Leaning Muslims and Christians who are simply still opening up
the Mysteries of Nature in much Greater Human Potentials that most folks don't
Take beyond
A Twitter
Effort
in Seek and
Find of Mind and
Body in Balance Whole;
As i basically Just Swamped
Nietzsche with A Tsunami my friEnd;
Thing is, Nietzsche's Philosophy is also
Spread like a Tsunami Through Vast Amounts
of 'Sciences' and Arts that reach most everyone now
in at least a Theater or Comic Book now in some way at least;
Even though Newer Superman wastes his life With Bombs and Leaping Tall
Building and Leaves the Deeper Essences out of Life; just like another 'Clothed' Lie;
But i'll give Him
And Batman
Credit
for
at least
they ain't
Afraid to Wear
TightS hehe; and
Man Panties too in
Secrets Still in Plain
Sight; as far as it does take
A Divine Balance of Grace WITH
instead of Against Gravity; yes, both
in Literal and Metaphor as Far as Fearless
Grace in Balance goes with a Foundation of
Integrity in Character upheld by Empathy, Sympathy,
And Compassion as Basic Human Love; and really Most Importantly Cognitive
Empathy to Learn and Understand not everyone is a Victim who Wants to be Saved.
In other
Words; Live
and Let Die
with Human Dignity
or not as that comes too.
Anyway, it takes Real Divine
Feminine Grace in Balance as Love
to make the REAL STRENGTH OF
either a Real Man and or
Woman in Strength
of Will too
butt True; those Man
Panties and Tights are A Source of all Above;
Yes, more Specifically Again in Strength of Will;
It's just sad Their Secret Weapon is not so Secret
Still as Aggression and Violence Vengeance/Revenge Over Dance And
Song that is verily truly my Super Power Now for WTF my Name 'Even' is as i am now.

LiFE IS Still F iN Full oF Guns and Roses;
I ALreadY Chose Rose A Long Long F iN Ago.

The Before Mentioned Videos are linked Below; and i'll add
one in for the Evolutionary Biology of the Dark/Light Side of what Humans Do too;
As True; Let's Not Forget Yin and Yang and Arts and Sciences and Divine Feminine and
Masculine All iN
Balance too
NoW for
A more
Complete
Package of Human
Where Shadow Holds Hands with Love; Remaining Open to Improvement too;
More Specifically, Aggression and Lust Awake in Balance With Grace and Love;
And Sure/True
Sleeping in
the 'Same Bed'
of Comfort Now too..:)

And to Be Clear my Friend, as you've probably figured out
by now; i don't expect anyone to read anything i write here;
as i'm still working now on a 6 Million Word all Encompassing
Special Interest of a Much Longer Epic Long Form Free Verse
Poem than has ever been done before; Every Day the World is
My Oyster of Muse; And i am Just a Squirrel in it too; And i Most Often Land
And Stay a little Longer With and For Those Folks who Sincerely Search for Truth and Light in Life;
No Matter if i agree with them or not; For Those Folks who aren't just living In Misery Loves
Company in
Live and
Let Die Land Now;
Where acts of Oneupmanship
Only Sinks Their Boat of Overall Human Potential.
Wherever i see that; i See Weak Humans who are obviously
Empty who haven't ever really developed A First Initiation of Life
as any 'Real Pagan of the Earth of Nature God' Will Naturally Do to Regulate
THeir Emotions and Integrate their Senses in a Challenge Still Now of Dance
And Song in Life That Means 'They' Are as Happy as they Love to be now and no one
will take that away with anything Less than Sticks and Stones that actually Kill for Dead;
As 'They' Meet
A Real Definition
of Relative Free Will
And A Core of What it means
to be any Animal in the Peace
And Harmony of Simple Animal
Homeostasis by 'looking' within
at Feelings and
Senses
and
through
Bio-Feed Back
Mastering oneness With
All of Existence NoW iN
That Peace and Harmony in Balance of
Grace that all 'Noble Savages' of Nature
Do Co-Create as Living Life Truly Wild
And Free In A Strength And Will of LiFE MoRE 'Loving' Life ALL That is as is.

Yes; Love is A Relative Term Across Species; But It Is Not
Hard for Some of Us to 'see' where and when Animals, including Us,
Truly are in Love With Life(God) as a Naked Truth
For All
practical
Intents and
Purposes is Now(God);
Not Unlike the Gospel of Thomas
Verse 37 as reported by a Pen Name
of Thomas; whoever wrote that Verse
as attributed to a Translated from Greek to
English Name AS so-called Jesus in Basically
Not Unlike Nietzsche's Reference to getting
Back to Nature as Pagan; 'Jesus' said take off your
Clothes (all the other Spoon-Fed Cultural ones too)
Tread on
Them with
No Shame
And See
the Living
God as Nature
of You; Yes, You WiTHiN
as i've already done as me;
And Let's just F iN Get Real; Okay.

Humans are rather silly with all their Words.

And it's True, there was no Pagan Word in the Days of Jesus;
as Pagan Refers to Non-Believer in those Days of the Traditional
Ways of Religion;
Ironically and
Most Obviously
the Story of Jesus;
Even the one that still
Resides in the New Testament
that Most Folks Read is A Text Book
Version of a Pagan as that applies to an
Individual not unlike Nietzsche or Even
Aleister Crowley who Broke away from the
Religious/Political/Philosophical Traditions of his Era.
And When we get rid of all the Added in Myths and Empty
Promises of Carrots of Heaven and Sticks of Hell in Eternal
Torture of Trumpian Like Revenge/Vengeance/Hell, it is Very
Easy to Find Just Another Humble Yogi-Like Dude Holding Hands With Nature/God
Appealing to the Best Innate Parts of Human Nature in Altruistic Ways of SmART
Love Born or Reborn in Golden Law of Love; Grade of Love; and Currency of Love Real
in and as
Wild
and
Free Again
in Light of Loving
all of what Life Brings
Now from Dark thru Light more;

So For Now; i Rest/Do mY Case For Fearless SmART LoVE

Who knows/feels/senses, if Nietzche was Married to a Real
Earth Angel Like i am Who Fully Supports All my Relative Free Will;
Chances
are the
Focus of His
Entire Philosophy
Might have Ended up
As The Real Human Force
of Agape Love; it's Truly Really
Sad my FriEnd; That Nietzsche Seems to have
Never Met 'This Love' as 'God Face to Face' Within;
Sadly; Still, A Common Male Experience Separated From Superman
And Batman Divine Tights and Man Panties Still for The Divine Feminine
Part of Human
Nature/God Within
That Sprouts A Real
Man and or Woman
in Strength of Will Freer And Real NoW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0JQZn-Qw0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82GUjPConiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORthzIOEf30


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26 Oct 2018, 5:38 pm

An Interesting saying I came across recently:
"God gave me a brain so I could think...
Nietzsche gave me a philosophy so I could think independently..." :mrgreen:


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,


"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet." Humour is not meant to be taken seriously, yet many pervert its intent.
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27 Oct 2018, 7:42 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I seriously doubt he intended anything like that.

Then he's an idiot.

He's going around saying things he doesn't mean.
He seriously hadn't meant one should become a pedophile or a genocidal maniac. He meant more like, if you believe you should be a philosopher, or fiction writer, or fire fighter, or President of the United States, then you should do everything in your power to achieve it. As he had never said something about becoming a child molester or Nazi strongman, then you can guess he had never intended anything as such.

A favorite motto of Nietzsche, taken from Pindar, reads: "Become what you are."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

So Sociopaths should become what they are.
Child molesters should become what they are.
Serial Killers should become what they are.

You're saying the guy was such an idiot that he went around saying this, but that's not what he meant??

Nietzsche writes ... don't get hung up on morality, become who you are


- Previous philosophers were blinded in their psychological ventures by not only the unquestioning acceptance of the socially prevailing beliefs and moral standards but more significantly by a fear of exploring the depths within themselves...
- Most individuals, fearing the complex depths within, remain at the superficial and surface layer of their psyche...
- Imposing order in one's psyche...through introverted investigation...
- Fashioning and sculpting themselves into a harmonious totality...
- Cannot fashion ourselves out of nothing...
- Each of us has a deep and abiding nature which places definite set limits on who and what we can become...
- Spiritual fatum...
- Traditions and experiments of past cultures continue to live on within us influencing our life and experience from our deeper layers of our psyche...
- Importance of history...
- Direct self-observation not nearly enough...
- Our psyche has been shaped and sculpted by past ages...
- Influenced by reptilian stage...
- Primitive drive which stretch back to the pre-history of humanity and anamality...
- Any human being, no matter how civilised and developed on the surface, is still an animal and archaic man within the depths of his being...
- In these uncivilised layers reside the beast within, potentially poses dangers to the human being such as the drive to aggression and unbridled lust...
- Explore and and become familiar with these potentially destructive vestiges of the ancient past...
- Channelling these impulses...
- The divine animal...
- Mind as a multiplicity...
- A dominant master drive that forms the living psyche which co-ops all the other drives to act in subordination to its end...
- Allows a single -minded devotion towards a heroic goal which gives meaning to life...

Now that I think about it, my personal "heroic goal" is fidelity to Truth...
My signature at the bottom of this post may have been a give-away... :mrgreen:


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,


"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet." Humour is not meant to be taken seriously, yet many pervert its intent.
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)


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27 Oct 2018, 8:24 pm

Pepe wrote:
Now that I think about it, my personal "heroic goal" is fidelity to Truth...

It's unknowable.

Nietzsche was just another charlatan trying to convince people that he knows the truth.

My critique
-His ideas seem ridiculous on the surface, because he doesn't seem to take notice that reality is probabilistic.
-His ideas seem ridiculous cause he seems to think in absolutism. As if "greatness" can't be achieved in different ways. Maybe, the greatest thing to do is "do nothing".
-His ideas seem ridiculous because they can be interpreted to mean almost anything.
-His ideas seem ridiculous because he rejects some moralities, and believes other moralities. So, he just picks and chooses behaviors he likes.
-His ideas seem ridiculous because "Superman" has no ending. He appears to have no standard for what the ultimate "Superman" should be, so don't we continously, endlessly, keep progressing, and NEVER, EVER actually realize a true" Superman"?

In the end, he is such a poor writer, poor communicator, poor at defining his philosophy, that you dismiss him as a loon.

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27 Oct 2018, 8:42 pm

Pepe wrote:

https://youtu.be/wHWbZmg2hzU

It has become clear there is some misunderstanding of Nietzsche's philosophy...
Many people equate his teachings with Nazism...
Personally I have profound doubts about him echoing Nazi Philosophy...
It is my casual belief that Nietzsche's intellectual constructs were hijacked and perverted by the Nazi regime...
<bow>
<applause can be heard>


Yes. I think the Nazis stole not only material possessions (including gold teeth....b-stards).. but also intellectual and creative copy write works that included political, philosophical, and religious ideals, when ever it suited their means.
It wasn't only Nietzche, but loads of others including religions which they believed were the roots of Aryanism which
traced back as far as Tibet.

Hitler had Buddhist advisers among others. If you also have read anything about Sri Aurobindo, you will find that Sri Aurobindo also wrote extensively on what he regarded as his Superman.

Sri Aurobindo came from a completely different angle though, coming from a spiritual religious and mostly hindu background, he considered His Superman to be a man who had transcended religious, political and philosophical ideals, had evolved his spirit to such a level that he had gained control over his senses while still living around people and was able to transcend the material world to combine with God. (or ultimately, converted all of humanity to the same way of integral yoga, so as to bring God down back to Eden).

Quiet different to that of the Nazi's master race of physically "superior" Supermen.
ironically, most of the people who I have ever known to be into alt right views are ugly and stupid, I have even met some that come from races which are among those who were persecuted during the ww2.... good grief!
what next!...



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This was not meant to be taken literally...it is self contradictory after all...

I have never studied Einstein but will do so some time in the future...
Having said that, it is reasonable to consider the following: Being a mathematical genius doesn't necessarily mean one is gifted in other aspects of life such as philosophy...
They are two separate skill sets after all...

But the converse can't be said either...
Having mathematical acumen *and* philosophical acuity is not mutually exclusive...
The "sin" here is jumping to conclusions...


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https://youtu.be/ty3rU0HkDjI

Two people so far *seem* to be implying I am not aware of the limitations of the human intellect in terms of connectivity with absolute reality...
I hope the above video by Lawrence Krauss will clarify my position...


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Now that I think about it, my personal "heroic goal" is fidelity to Truth...

It's unknowable.


And yet you believe in the Truth about your God... <scratch head>

So what is it?
Spits or Swallows?
Yeah, baby... :mrgreen:

Now consider:
Once again you are mixing contexts...

The "Truth" can be as simple as my communicating with you now, regardless of how effectively...
Or it could be the "Truth" in terms of "the meaning of life, the universe and everything...
And a myriad of considerations in-between...

Also consider:
If Truth is unknowable, then where do things like lies, misrepresentation, lies through omission stand?
Are you suggesting lies are unknowable also?... 8O

Could you define your context precisely?
What are the unknowable truths to which you are referring?

Regarding: "Fidelity to Truth"...
Definition of fidelity:

"adherence to truth; accuracy in reporting detail https://dictionary.reverso.net/english- ... +the+truth"

"adherence to truth; veracity; honesty https://www.definitions.net/definition/fidelity"

"Faithfulness to a person, cause, or belief, demonstrated by continuing loyalty and support. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fidelity"

The Truth is out there...<do do do do....> 8)
One must simply be dedicated to hunting it down, killing it...and mounting it on the wall... :mrgreen:



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Nietzsche was a crude thinker (although a brilliant writer) whose "philosophy" (he was actually more of an essayist in the tradition of Schopenhauer, Montaigne and Bacon than a philospher)


Great comment, though I'd personally rate Nietzsche and Montaigne was far better writers than Bacon. I never understand why people think Bacon wrote Shakespeare, since Bacon is so dry. Nietzsche, like Freud and Darwin, is a great writer whose reputation completely precedes him. Most people respond to distorted interpretations of those three, and rarely to their actual work. Regardless of what you think of their message, they were great writers, though. Academic and conversational at the same time.


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- The morality that structured western society was predicated on the fundamental axiom of divinity.
- The whole corpus of morality was dependant on that axiom being true or at least being accepted as being true.
- If there is no god, then anything is permitted.
- Morality turns into what you can get away with...
- The resultant morality would be a regression to pre-christian...
- A rise of the state as an alternative to god...
- Life is so unbearably cruel that it would have been better if it had never existed at all...
- Distress,whether psychic, physical or intellectual need not at all produce nihilism...such distress always permits a variety of interpretations...
- It is in one particular interpretation, the christian moral one, that nihilism is rooted...
- If you loose faith in something, it makes it possible to loose faith in everything: Nihilism...
- Christianity needed to be destroyed because it focused on the afterlife when people needed to focus on the here and now with all it's struggles...
- No goal, value structure, no positive emotion...
- Totalitarian certainty is preferable to nihilistic chaos...


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^^ It seems Hamlet illustrated many of those points, and quite comically.


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My critique
-His ideas seem ridiculous on the surface, because he doesn't seem to take notice that reality is probabilistic.
-His ideas seem ridiculous cause he seems to think in absolutism. As if "greatness" can't be achieved in different ways. Maybe, the greatest thing to do is "do nothing".
-His ideas seem ridiculous because they can be interpreted to mean almost anything.
-His ideas seem ridiculous because he rejects some moralities, and believes other moralities. So, he just picks and chooses behaviors he likes.
-His ideas seem ridiculous because "Superman" has no ending. He appears to have no standard for what the ultimate "Superman" should be, so don't we continously, endlessly, keep progressing, and NEVER, EVER actually realize a true" Superman"?

In the end, he is such a poor writer, poor communicator, poor at defining his philosophy, that you dismiss him as a loon.


You do realise I haven't started to critique Nietzsche...
This is still only the investigation phase...
All the points I have made using the "-" are points made by the presenter of video...

There is a lot I disagree with what Nietzsche has to say...
The entire point of this thread is to learn about his philosophy...
I haven't started an evaluation yet...

Just so there is no misunderstanding...
People have a habit of taking things out of context... :|


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^^ It seems Hamlet illustrated many of those points, and quite comically.


Could you quote some?


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Pepe wrote:
HighLlama wrote:
^^ It seems Hamlet illustrated many of those points, and quite comically.


Could you quote some?


I'll do my best :)

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- The morality that structured western society was predicated on the fundamental axiom of divinity.


Hamlet begins with one guard saying, "Who's there?" when he hears the other approaching in the darkness, right before their shift change. Some minor characters gather and discuss the ghost of Hamlet's father. This introduces the theme of moral authority, divine presence in the universe, and our personal roles in the world.

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- If there is no god, then anything is permitted.


Hinted at pretty well, since this couldn't be stated explicitly in Shakespeare's time if he wanted to. But in Act 3, Scene 1 Hamlet says the only reason we don't kill ourselves, due to life being so horrible, is our fear that there is a worse afterlife waiting for us. That is the endpoint of Nietzsche's statement that God is dead, since Hamlet is in many ways the superman facing a society of less aware (and less honest) people.

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- Morality turns into what you can get away with...


But, Shakespeare would never make it that black and white. Because, it's not Hamlet who gets away with anything--he causes many others to be killed, and himself dies. It's Claudius who gets away with killing his brother, and then becomes king. And we can't assume no one realizes it was murder, but they certainly realize it's best for them to say nothing. Hamlet can't ignore the crime, though seems to realize revenge is pointless and not in his character. Still, Claudius recreates the first murder, and is rewarded for it. Isn't that politics?

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- A rise of the state as an alternative to god...


Not sure what Hamlet says about that. Did Nietzsche really say that? The state has always been an alternative to God, either explicitly or implicitly by aligning itself with God. But, it's hard to imagine a society where everyone has very distinct, self-developed ideas of God.

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- Life is so unbearably cruel that it would have been better if it had never existed at all...


Hamlet's main issue is losing faith in his mother; discovering that the woman who made him has assisted with destroying the rules of society, God, and family, by being party to this murder. Though it's never stated, I feel he must also wonder if Claudius is really his father. Surely such a powerful affair didn't begin recently. Hamlet must question life and morality, but no matter how much he can define that for himself it doesn't change the corrupt society he's in. So he can't help but fixate on self-destruction. And surely the graveyard scene (5.1), when he says even Alexander the Great dies and turns to dust used to stuff a beer barrel, illustrates the futility you're mentioning.

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- If you loose faith in something, it makes it possible to loose faith in everything: Nihilism...


See my comment above about Hamlet and his mother. Interestingly, it's Claudius who prays, and Hamlet doesn't kill him at this moment, though he's given the chance. Does conscience stand in the way of realizing Nietzsche's ideal?

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- Christianity needed to be destroyed because it focused on the afterlife when people needed to focus on the here and now with all it's struggles...


I suppose Hamlet inverts this, since Hamlet's problem is not considered a problem by his society. And as long as we have to interact with others, our morals and goals must consider them to some extent. I feel like Shakespeare presented the inverse of what Nietzsche proposes to show the limitations of Nietzsche's point. But, I've only read The Birth of Tragedy and smaller bits and pieces. Still, Shakespeare seems to show the free, intelligent, aware superman and how that person still has to live in a world of other people who don't have to share those values, rendering the superman both ideal and pointless.

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- Totalitarian certainty is preferable to nihilistic chaos...


Claudius or Hamlet? Can you really pick?


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