Do you agree with abortion? Discuss
So you pro-lifers are fine with all the kids born in Africa and Asia who end up living in the most dirty, cramped and disgusting conditions on the planet? Approximately 1 billion children already live in these conditions. And you are advocating to adding to that figure.
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
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Take car. Go to mum's. Kill Phil, grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
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The other life is inside the woman's body.
Only women get pregnant, only women get abortions, so only women should decide whether or not to get abortions, with or without any men's knowledge or consent.
So you have to have experienced something in order to vote on it? Only rich people earn millions should only they get to decide what tax they pay?
pommes et oranges.
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הייתי צוללת עכשיו למים
הכי, הכי עמוקים
לא לשמוע כלום
לא לדעת כלום
וזה הכל אהובי, זה הכל.
But that is not how democracy works that is not universal suffrage. If the rich selected their tax rate it would be zero they wouldn't be the biggest tax payers.
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
Pro lifers consider it to be murder, do you think those children should be murdered?
As an antinatalist I believe all pregnancies should be aborted as no child asks to be born and bringing an innocent person into an evil world where so many suffer whether than be poverty or rape is itself an act of evil.
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
Pro lifers consider it to be murder, do you think those children should be murdered?
As an antinatalist I believe all pregnancies should be aborted as no child asks to be born and bringing an innocent person into an evil world where so many suffer whether than be poverty or rape is itself an act of evil.
So you would essentially support genocide against humankind by way of sterilisation or something like that?
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Take car. Go to mum's. Kill Phil, grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
AQ-49 of 50
EQ-7 of 60
RDOS:
Neurodiverse (Aspie) score is 183 of 200.
Neurotypical (Non-autistic) score is 31 of 200
INTJ-T Personality type
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
Pro lifers consider it to be murder, do you think those children should be murdered?
As an antinatalist I believe all pregnancies should be aborted as no child asks to be born and bringing an innocent person into an evil world where so many suffer whether than be poverty or rape is itself an act of evil.
So you would essentially support genocide against humankind by way of sterilisation or something like that?
Well I would consider genocide to require murder. I just prefer to end all human suffering by sterilising everyone.
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
I wouldn't advocate shooting every kid in Africa either. Raise up the community, teach sex ed, anything good, but a poor life is better than no life.
in the us, there are 400,000 kids in foster care and only half are available for adoption, the average age is eight. As I already said, babies have no issue getting adopted in the us.
Two wrongs do not make a right, again instead of killing a child that did nothing, make the rapist pay more so. The one that actually did something. I'll use my own comparison, if someone illegally harvested an organ from you that you could live without, and an unknowing women was the recipient and it saved her life, would you have the right to take the organ back- which would kill her- or would you go after the person who stole your organ?
incest is wrong, but a child conceived in incest deserves the same rights and care as any other. It is not an excuse for abortion.
Neglect and abuse are issues that need to be better addressed, but the burden and blame should be on abusers, not children involved. Abuse is caused by terrible people doing terrible things, NOT a child's existence.
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Suspected; PTSD (Treated, as my counselor did notice), possible PCOS, PMDD, Learning disabilities (Sure of it, unknown what they are), possibly something wrong with immune system (Sick about as much as I'm not) Possible EDS- hyper mobility type (Will be getting tested, suggested by doctor) dysautonomia
In the case of adoption, there are approximately 153 million children who are orphaned. There is absolutely no shortage of orphaned children already. Why not focus on having the already orphaned ones re-homed, rather than adding to that already substantial figure?
In the case of rape, the woman did not ask to spend 9 months carrying another human life, especially one that has come about due to the violation of her body and is a serious crime. Instead of blaming the woman for getting an abortion, the blame should solely be place on the rapist. If the rapist had not raped, there would have been no conception, therefore no foetus to abort. If I chain a door so people cannot leave whilst there is a fire which I did not start, I would still be charged with the crime of manslaughter. It's the same principle.
I'm curious as to what your position is on incest as well. Guess that's perfectly fine too, even though incest is linked to insanity as well as the fact the child will be the subject of ridicule its entire life, and more than likely will end up being brought up in care or by other family members, where they are more likely to be subjected to neglect and abuse.
Pro lifers consider it to be murder, do you think those children should be murdered?
As an antinatalist I believe all pregnancies should be aborted as no child asks to be born and bringing an innocent person into an evil world where so many suffer whether than be poverty or rape is itself an act of evil.
So you would essentially support genocide against humankind by way of sterilisation or something like that?
Well I would consider genocide to require murder. I just prefer to end all human suffering by sterilising everyone.
Forced sterilization is it's own issue (I am way against it ever, but prefer the idea of sterilizing everyone more than just certain groups), but technically genocide is rarely murder. Murder is an illegal killing of a human. Most genocide were legal.
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Diagnosed autistic level 2, ODD, anxiety, dyspraxic, essential tremors, depression (Doubted), CAPD, hyper mobility syndrome
Suspected; PTSD (Treated, as my counselor did notice), possible PCOS, PMDD, Learning disabilities (Sure of it, unknown what they are), possibly something wrong with immune system (Sick about as much as I'm not) Possible EDS- hyper mobility type (Will be getting tested, suggested by doctor) dysautonomia
Which in the Western World makes it impossible for abortion to be murder.
As of now, yes. But it should be seen as and is as bad.
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Diagnosed autistic level 2, ODD, anxiety, dyspraxic, essential tremors, depression (Doubted), CAPD, hyper mobility syndrome
Suspected; PTSD (Treated, as my counselor did notice), possible PCOS, PMDD, Learning disabilities (Sure of it, unknown what they are), possibly something wrong with immune system (Sick about as much as I'm not) Possible EDS- hyper mobility type (Will be getting tested, suggested by doctor) dysautonomia
Which in the Western World makes it impossible for abortion to be murder.
As of now, yes. But it should be seen as and is as bad.
That is a matter of opinion and based on your previous observation about genocide, I thought you were discussing facts.
Incidentally, in places and times where abortions are/were illegal they were not qualified as murder either. Curiously enough, neither is infanticide.
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
I am pro-choice with no restrictions whatsoever.
I'm certainly not convinced by the "contraception exists" argument. Contraception doesn't work well enough - something that works for 97% of people with uteruses every year will still fail often enough to cause millions of pregnancies a year. In any case, people are allowed to change their mind.
Abortion is a procedure which gets increasingly more invasive as the zef develops. If someone is prepared to go through with that procedure despite how invasive it is, then they've clearly weighed it up very carefully and decided that it is not worth continuing with the pregnancy. Let them make their own decision. They know better than some bureaucrat or politician.
Although I might amend that to say, “They know better than some male bureaucrat or male politician.”
Although I might amend that to say, “They know better than some male bureaucrat or male politician.”
That's usually the case, but they also know better than people of any sex or none. Only the pregnant individual knows best about whether the zef should be carried to term.
Although I might amend that to say, “They know better than some male bureaucrat or male politician.”
Personally, I doubt that I could do it.
That being said, I still consider myself "pro-choice".
It's my choice to say no, not the choice of some misogynist politician -- and I believe other women should have equal rights to decide for themselves.
(bows out of political discussion now).
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And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
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