When everybody gets called a Nazi the real ones get missed

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23 Nov 2018, 8:28 pm

Trump is a authoritarian not a Nazi.

Everybody that supports Trump is not a Nazi or kind of one

Most bigots are not Nazis or an existential threat

Everybody that tells insensitive jokes is not a Hitler wannabe.

While the above are bad and sometimes toxic they are not these people who are both real Nazis and a potential existential threat to America.

Reason for this thread. I watched this documentary on the PBS program Frontline.


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23 Nov 2018, 8:43 pm

I agree completely. And the people who created this website are not Hitler-loving fascists!

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24 Nov 2018, 3:24 am

Just because Trump is not a Nazi that doesn't mean that he's not a Nazi sympathizer, or was endorsed by neo-Nazis.
Trump and the Republican Party now explicitly espouse rigid authoritarianism, primitive nativism, rabid nationalism, aggressive militarism, a smirking disdain for democracy, the intelligentsia, and human rights, scapegoating of minorities, suppression of dissent and the press, naked encouragement of political violence, blatant propaganda, the seamless merger of corporate and State interests, overt racism, homophobia, xenophobia, religious bigotry, and misogyny...the textbook definition of Fascism.
Just because Trump isn't a Nazi doesn't mean that he's not a Fascist. Not all Fascists wear brown shirts and jackboots.



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24 Nov 2018, 4:34 am

Piobaire wrote:
Just because Trump is not a Nazi that doesn't mean that he's not a Nazi sympathizer, or was endorsed by neo-Nazis.
Trump and the Republican Party now explicitly espouse rigid authoritarianism, primitive nativism, rabid nationalism, aggressive militarism, a smirking disdain for democracy, the intelligentsia, and human rights, scapegoating of minorities, suppression of dissent and the press, naked encouragement of political violence, blatant propaganda, the seamless merger of corporate and State interests, overt racism, homophobia, xenophobia, religious bigotry, and misogyny...the textbook definition of Fascism.
Just because Trump isn't a Nazi doesn't mean that he's not a Fascist. Not all Fascists wear brown shirts and jackboots.


Annnnd.... far leftists seem to have their own smirking disdain for free thought and critical thinking. I see these words carried around like a parrot on a pirate's shoulders, and cannot fathom how one could actually mindlessly believe them. It's almost like somebody stepped into a cloning chamber and rest of the Democratic socialists we see today hopped out of it. Saying Trump supports Nazis over who endorses him is a guilt by association fallacy, because it's implying that he approves of it. Anyway, I'm gonna try to decode all of these copy/pasted words you just typed-

So, you think Trump and the Republican party espouse....

Rigid Authoritarianism- You do not know "rigid authoritarianism", friend. The fact that Trump's "fascist" regime hasn't lined you up against a wall for saying these things about him is proof enough. You're pretty much allowed to say whatever you want outside of threatening to perform acts of terrorism, I don't see Trump going around forcing any religion or viewpoint on anybody. Sure he's Christian and I agree that fundamentalism is actually a bad part of the Republican party that should be separate from politics, but I don't see him doing much imposing on anybody.

"Primitive nativism and rabid nationalism"- I like how you throw the word primitive and rabid in front of these things to try to spice up your argument with some personal insults, that's a good touch. Anyways, Trump isn't "rabidly nationalistic", he simply is assertive is ensuring that America is not taken advantage of. Even Bernie Sanders agrees that other nations take advantage of us on trade. And then the whole immigration argument is a joke, because the left argues that it should be A-Ok to just hop the fence and instantly become a citizen without an inkling of regard for our process. This isn't about race, this is about respect for the laws of this country. Yes, Trump believes that American citizens should be taken care of by the American government more than people who are not American citizens, that seems pretty reasonable to me considering America's domestic problems.

"aggressive militarism"- This is just an absolute joke, have you SEEN the wars under Bush and Obama? Trump openly is against pointless wars in the middle east. Have you even been paying attention to his progress with North Korea, or has your anger against him for disagreeing with you caused you to overlook these things?

"the intelligentsia, and human rights"- Well, I'd have a disdain with the intelligentsia if they had highly biased agents/lovers in charge of in investigating me for a crime that seems an awful lot like a made-up scapegoat for losing an election that was supposedly 99% in the bag for Clinton. As for human rights, I think you're being too ambiguous. Whose human rights are being violated, what specific human right is being violated, got any pictures or videos of these violations?

"scapegoating of minorities"- This is a bit of a rather malignant way to phrase things. I assume he is talking about the issues with illegal immigrants taking jobs or whatever and actually, I don't totally buy the whole "DEY TURK ER JERRBS" argument, but to say it's a scapegoat is implying it's white peoples' fault for having unemployment issues. It's not an issue of race, it's an issue of economy.

suppression of dissent and the press- This is just silly, he does not "suppress" the press, he just criticizes them for being overcritical of him. Sure, he revoked a CNN anchor's press privileges but you know what? Obama threw a reporter out once too. They don't have a civil right to come into the white house and practically heckle the president. They don't act like reporters, they act like heckling activists. There should be a certain respect for the office, at least in person. Talking s**t on twitter is not suppression, but as usual the left loves to say mere rude speech is a violent action.

naked encouragement of political violence-
I haven't seen Trump encourage mass violence against his opponents. However....
I present to you, exhibit A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBv9rFVuGI
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... _side.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E61BTum2OI
And the left's leaders seem to have a hard time denouncing these attacks, so whose inciting political violence again?

"blatant propaganda"- Trump barely has propaganda, and if you consider his twitter to be that, it's rather unrefined propaganda. Maybe Fox would count, but in that case wouldn't they have been less critical to him during the primaries? You wanna see propaganda? How about the fact that all of Hollywood, most of the mainstream media, TV, music, pretty much everything- is ran by the left? I'd say they are the ones with the propaganda, and you've seemed to have fallen hard for it.

"overt racism, homophobia, xenophobia, religious bigotry, and misogyny" - And of course, this textbook leftist pulls out his mini-dictionary of buzzwords. Apparently he's afraid of homosexuals, if that's the case I'm sure he must have been miserable when he was friends with Elton John. He's barely religious, and I suspect he only even mentions religion to get the votes of the fundamentalists, which as I've stated, isn't too great because I think religion and politics should stay separate (look, some common ground!). But, you're not just talking about Trump, you're talking about all Republicans. These are some pretty hefty INSULTS you are carelessly throwing around to a very large group of people with a diversity of opinions and beliefs. I daresay it's people like you making the threat of actual bigots seen as a joke because you just want to go around calling everybody one for the slightest disagreements.

"the seamless merger of corporate and State interests"
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... ger-250956
He seemed to have tried to stop a seamless actual merger of corporate interests to stop a monopoly on your internet. but apparently it did not work. Trump overall supports less state intervention in the economy, while in general the left supports more of it. I contest the notion that the government leaving corporations and small businesses alike ALONE is much meddlesome. What's meddlesome is the crippling regulation and tax the left never seems to want to stop increasing.

"Just because Trump isn't a Nazi doesn't mean that he's not a Fascist." -
I repeat, the very fact that you're allowed to criticize him like this shows that he is not in fact a fascist. It just shows how lucky you are to live in a nation like America when you display this kind of ignorance on what actual fascism is. Actual fascism is firing squads and jail time for speech, and the only people I see consistently encouraging that kind of violence over speech in the US right now isn't Trump. It's people who espouse the very same views as you.

Keep in mind these are not attacks on you these are my opinions. If you'd like to have a reasonable discussion I am open to it.


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24 Nov 2018, 5:12 am

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Keep in mind these are not attacks on you these are my opinions. If you'd like to have a reasonable discussion I am open to it.


Ad hominems are proof positive that someone has nothing of value to contribute to a conversation.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but your derogatory word salad is thoroughly laced with snark and insults; therefore I don't believe that you're capable of "reasonable conversation".

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24 Nov 2018, 8:47 am

Oh it's fine, I knew you wouldn't try to argue with me in a true way. You're an SJW, after all. SJW's can't debate. They can just pretend that they're smarter despite the fact that they are parrots of everybody else and can't think for themselves and just insult and attack their opponents, with no regard whatsoever for the open exchange of ideas.


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24 Nov 2018, 10:46 am

Everybody is missing half of what I was trying to say in my OP.

I never said that Trump, bigots, that are not an actual Nazis are good or even not dangerous.

Trump want to be an authoritarian dictator and but he is being blocked in a lot of ways.

Atomwaffen wants to blow up nuclear plants, and take down the electrical grid. If that happens if you survive you will be living under actual martial law.

Seperating kids from parants and detaining them is horrific, saying your supporters should rough up your opponents or punch opponents in the face is really bad but not as bad as killing who knows how many people and throwing America or part of it into a long period of darkness.

Trump is an incompetent in many ways, atomwaffen seems to know what they are doing. They eschew thier members enganging in public demonstrations, to be underground so to avoid arrest and loss of jobs. They have an underground presence in the military. When their members are done with thier “service” they are going to be competent and very lethal terrorists.

SJW’s want to damage and destroy freedom of speech and expression very very bad but not as bad as being “other” or disabled would be in a forth reich.

Again just becuse one is a not Nazi a Nazi does not make one not bad or dangourous it means they are not they are not as bad as actual Nazis.

Your uncle who cracks an offensive joke at the holiday dinner table most likely is insensative and or out of touch, he would not likely gladly exterminate Jews or Autistics with enthusiasm if he has the chance.

We spend so much time and energy arguing about shunning words deemed offensive but casually use the word “Nazi” inaccuratly. Calling somebody a Nazi should be the worst thing you can possibly say about a person, it should be more of an insult then anything other word even n****r.

Don’t be that person who cried Nazi.


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24 Nov 2018, 11:06 am

I read not long ago about this person who is a vegan and runs a webcomic about vegans. The comic is horrible and shows how intolerant the author is towards people who are omnivores. For example in one strip a vegan character MURDERS a farmer's wife and children and strings them up naked and bloody because the farmer had claimed he treated his animals like his family. 8O Even a lot of vegans don't like the strip.

Anyway, the author claims that omnivores are like Hitler. But Hitler loved dogs, believed in gun control and women's rights. So I guess if you are any of those things you're like Hitler.



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24 Nov 2018, 11:07 am

Yes, but I also think the words fascist and authoritarian are being overused as well. The pictures of some of the kids being detained were from the Obama era as well. Anyway, they have an actual reason for seperating people. See child trafficking is a big problem down in Mexico and pretty often child traffickers pretend to be parents when crossing the border, and that's part of why we seperate them.


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24 Nov 2018, 10:21 pm

I also agree. Trump is not a Nazi and nor are his supporters.


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24 Nov 2018, 11:43 pm

Piobaire wrote:
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Keep in mind these are not attacks on you these are my opinions. If you'd like to have a reasonable discussion I am open to it.


Ad hominems are proof positive that someone has nothing of value to contribute to a conversation.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but your derogatory word salad is thoroughly laced with snark and insults; therefore I don't believe that you're capable of "reasonable conversation".

"I don't mind having enemies, but I do require that they meet certain intellectual minimums."
Jim Wright

When you don't address any points made by political opponents and instead basically just call them dumb and try to wriggle your way out of the conversation, it is you who comes off looking like the intellectual lightweight.



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27 Nov 2018, 4:58 am

All nazi's are fascists, but not all fascists are nazi's. The problem is all right-wing authoritarianism is dangerous, not just nazism. The danger is these people inevitably start looking for supposed internal sources of decay to blame when they lose faith in the standard right-wing message of cheer-leading for unbridled capitalism.



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27 Nov 2018, 6:04 am

In the US, it's said that the Democrats call their opponents "racist" and "NAZI" to disguise that they secretly do the bidding of corporate interests and don't have much different policies to offer their constituents.


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