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29 Nov 2018, 3:45 am

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29 Nov 2018, 9:57 am

A society that bases its governance on the differences of its people tends to degenerate into an "Us Versus Them" cultural mentality. When everyone is more concerned about their differences than their similarities, lines are drawn and battles begin.

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29 Nov 2018, 10:17 am

It's a very bad thing.

Burn it to the ground.

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29 Nov 2018, 10:24 am

I think "identity politics" could have its uses....but I feel there's an overemphasis on it these days.

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29 Nov 2018, 10:27 am

Fnord wrote:

Exactly, if blacks get civil rights, everyone will be jealous of them and there will be a battle.

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29 Nov 2018, 10:52 am

AspE wrote:

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Exactly, if blacks get civil rights, everyone will be jealous of them and there will be a battle.

Blacks have the same civil rights as whites, in principle]. In practice, it's another matter. The same goes for women, LGBTQs, veterans, the disabled, the very young the very old, immigrants, the homeless, drop-outs, junkies, psychos, schizos, and people who have no college degree.

We all have the same civil rights, in principle, but the practical application of those rights varies from region to region, state to state, county to county, and even from one zip code to the next.

The reason being that our government is not monolithic in demographics, intent, or culture -- it's a mashup of different, and often opposing special interests.

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29 Nov 2018, 12:23 pm

I'll just leave this here

George Washington wanted to end slavery, but never did because he feared it would divide the new nation.

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29 Nov 2018, 12:25 pm

Lincoln wasn't keen on slavery, either----but he sensed that immediate emancipation would have dire consequences, too.

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29 Nov 2018, 12:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Lincoln wasn't keen on slavery, either----but he sensed that immediate emancipation would have dire consequences, too.

No. He wanted them sent back to Africa.

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29 Nov 2018, 1:00 pm

Identity politics is the only kind of politics there is.

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29 Nov 2018, 4:40 pm

Bananas are definitely people. I can tell because they don't taste very nice.

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29 Nov 2018, 5:32 pm

Fnord wrote:

Overwhelmingly there is always an "Us against Them" mentality...
Here in Oz between the Liberal and the Labor parties...
And in America, between the Republicans and the Democrats...

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29 Nov 2018, 5:36 pm

Drake wrote:

It's a very bad thing.

Burn it to the ground.

Could you elaborate as to why it is a bad thing?
I genuinely want a resolution so I (personally) can move on...

I am fence-sitting atm...

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29 Nov 2018, 5:45 pm

Catlover5 wrote:

Bananas are definitely people. I can tell because they don't taste very nice.

Kudos for originality... :mrgreen:

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29 Nov 2018, 6:08 pm

Pepe wrote:

Drake wrote:

It's a very bad thing.

Burn it to the ground.

Could you elaborate as to why it is a bad thing?
I genuinely want a resolution so I (personally) can move on...

I am fence-sitting atm...

Fnord already said some about it, but with identity politics, you're focusing on something that can't be changed, arbitrary characteristics. And like I said in my "Diversity is not a Good Thing" thread:

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You say one thing is good (diversity) that automatically makes the other bad. The thread title was to expose that assumption before you read my OP. These arbitrary characteristics should be irrelevant. I don't see any redeeming features at all in identity politics. Nothing but negatives.

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29 Nov 2018, 6:10 pm

Catlover5 wrote:

Bananas are definitely people. I can tell because they don't taste very nice.

I disagree. I'm going to eat some delicious banana now! :mrgreen:

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