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06 Dec 2018, 12:15 pm

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Climate change is not some liberal conspiracy. Climate change is real.


Natural climate change is real, man-made climate change not so much so.



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06 Dec 2018, 12:29 pm

I would say humankind's use of the environment does have at least something to do with what's going on as far as climate change is concerned.

It's certainly not the "only" answer, though.

"Natural climate change" could offer an explanation, too.



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07 Dec 2018, 4:20 am

tim pool is totally ignorant and msm on this, there's better msm also

here on shill-rock, no one wants to KNOW, only spoil the conversation

when the cc has shifted to "merica" then it merits hysterical total control

the religious hysteria propagandized by DOW-JONES noted corporations

who are in this to take all the virtue cookies and leave the

fines (accountability) for the natural persons



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07 Dec 2018, 6:33 am

jimmy m wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Climate change is not some liberal conspiracy. Climate change is real.


Natural climate change is real, man-made climate change not so much so.


How is anything "not so much so" real? Things are real or they are not real. I've never heard of a gradient scale between real and not real.

The body of evidence is that current climate change is caused by human activities. But you know what? It doesn't matter who or what caused it because it is real and we have to deal with it or suffer the consequences.


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07 Dec 2018, 8:33 am

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Are the French revolting again?


Folks who snails are always revolting! :lol:



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07 Dec 2018, 10:44 am

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The body of evidence is that current climate change is caused by human activities. But you know what? It doesn't matter who or what caused it because it is real and we have to deal with it or suffer the consequences.


31,487 American Scientist say it is not. Source: Global Warming Petition Project



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07 Dec 2018, 1:56 pm

As France braces itself for violent demonstrations on Saturday, hundreds of students, most of them still in high school, took to the streets a day early as a preview of things to come, after footage surfaced showing high school students being brutally detained by riot police.

One officer can be heard mocking the students, saying: “Here is a class that behaves well.”

The arrest of the students was the rallying cry that galvanized the young to voice their frustration with President Emmanuel Macron’s unpopular policies, including compulsory military service for 16-year-olds and education reforms that caught many of the students as a surprise.

Friday’s student protest is just a taste of things to come this weekend. Saturday will see the return of the so-called "Yellow Vest" movement, taking its name from the high visibility jackets worn by French drivers who are required to keep them in their cars in case of emergency.

Amid fears that this Saturday will be the most disruptive yet, the French government announced 89,000 additional police officers across the whole country, with 8,000 of them keeping the peace in Paris.

Source: French students join mounting fury after video emerges of school kids on their knees in front of riot police



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07 Dec 2018, 2:09 pm

And this was only a few months ago:

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The internationalist authoritarian left is always looking for a Messiah. Obama, and now Macron. How's that working out?


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07 Dec 2018, 5:48 pm

jimmy m wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
The body of evidence is that current climate change is caused by human activities. But you know what? It doesn't matter who or what caused it because it is real and we have to deal with it or suffer the consequences.


31,487 American Scientist say it is not. Source: Global Warming Petition Project

You mean that petition? https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
Scientists who study the climate consider that evidences point toward as climate warming been human caused, and I trust them more on that subject than right wings politicians and hosts without scientific culture that lie constantly.

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And this was only a few months ago:

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The internationalist authoritarian left is always looking for a Messiah. Obama, and now Macron. How's that working out?

The left never considered Macron as a savior; and why would it? considering he's center right. Not that someone that consider everything not of the far right as communist would understand.
By the way, one of the demands of the yellow vests is a stop to fiscal invasion and the rich pay their just part of tax; guest they're a bunch of "socialists". :lol:



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07 Dec 2018, 5:56 pm

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The Yellow Jacket insurgency is a product of the same phenomena that brought him to power — the discredit of the system and people’s ability to communicate on social networks and organize spontaneously. The angry mood resembles the anti-establishment fever that drove Britain’s vote to leave the European Union, swept Donald Trump to the White House and hoisted populist parties into government in Italy...
So when can we expect a similar revolt in Washington, D.C.?



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07 Dec 2018, 7:15 pm

jimmy m wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
The body of evidence is that current climate change is caused by human activities. But you know what? It doesn't matter who or what caused it because it is real and we have to deal with it or suffer the consequences.


31,487 American Scientist say it is not. Source: Global Warming Petition Project


Even if that were "true" it is a moot point. The climate is changing and if we don't do something about it, the world will be unrecognizable to us. However, it is very unlikely we will do something about it.


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07 Dec 2018, 7:46 pm

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Even if that were "true" it is a moot point. The climate is changing and if we don't do something about it, the world will be unrecognizable to us. However, it is very unlikely we will do something about it.


The climate has been constantly changing. This has been occurring long before man ever first stepped foot on the planet. Carbon dioxide levels fell from 0.5% [5,000 parts per million (ppm)] in the Silurian Period to around 0.03% [300 ppm] by the end of the Carboniferous Period.

[Source: p.83 in the book Oxygen: The Molecule that made the World by Nick Lane]

So if 5,000 ppm did not cause Earth to burn up, and todays current carbon dioxide level is around 400 ppm, why should one automatically warrant going into a panic mode. The earth is really in a starved mode and a little more carbon dioxide will actually improve the environment. Carbon dioxide is a plant food.

The Silurian (443.7 to 416.0 million years ago) was a time when the Earth underwent considerable changes that had important repercussions for the environment and life within it. One result of these changes was the melting of large glacial formations. This contributed to a substantial rise in the levels of the major seas. The Silurian witnessed a relative stabilization of the Earth's general climate, ending the previous pattern of erratic climatic fluctuations.

Coral reefs made their first appearance during this time, and the Silurian was also a remarkable time in the evolution of fishes. Not only does this time period mark the wide and rapid spread of jawless fish, but also the highly significant appearances of both the first known freshwater fish as well as the first fish with jaws. It is also at this time that our first good evidence of life on land is preserved, such as relatives of spiders and centipedes, and also the earliest fossils of vascular plants.



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07 Dec 2018, 8:36 pm

I don't dispute that at least some of the source of the climate change could be natural climatic variation.

And all you mentioned about melting glaciers and all that is true. That, of course, also occurred around 10,000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age.

I don't believe in politicizing climate change. I don't think politics enters into it. It's just that the climate is changing rather too fast, in my opinion. We have to be wary of what's going on.

Whether it's of man-made or natural causation.



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08 Dec 2018, 10:00 pm

Climate change is hands down real, man made and a hugely polluted topic drawn out mainly by people who back societies needs for climate change and world wide peace. Without a summit to back there would be no agreement and without that, we would all be deemed irresponsible illiterate polluters of our own biosphere.
The concern for it is in the air we breathe and who it affects who has breathing difficulties, any respiratory or immobility problem whereby it affects them stepping outside their own front door in a blazing 50c heat or, Tsunami affected territories, Mosquito flies carrying deadly diseases that no vaccine can prepare you for, and whilst mother nature doesn't answer to anyone she casts a death wish on anyone who is too ignorant to listen to her plea.
Treaties are there to be signed by all foreigners and Attenborough is the voice of that shared thought process, who knows that if you want to see nature for all it is without creatures becoming extinct and ice caps melting, trade in your diesel for unleaded and agree to cut back on greenhouse gases and carbon fuel emissions. Trying to melt one political ice cap won't be enough to slow down climatisation, until its too late to do anything about it. Aussies have suffered some of the worst Bush fires in natural history and right across the Californian plains, do you put it down to a long drought or one hot summer or when do you really start to wake up, when you're roasting with cancer cells all over your skin ravaged body?
San Andrea's will be more than just a movie if you don't all want to change your lifestyle for the greater good.



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08 Dec 2018, 10:14 pm

When the ice age ended, the temperature went up much more slowly than it's going up now.

Supposing the world is getting warmer naturally. Does that mean it's not also getting warmer due to man-made causes? It could be both at once.

If it's both at once then we still have a responsibility to mitigate our end of the problem.


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