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21 Jan 2019, 4:51 pm

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Many of us feel taking the "impeach Trump" side is the rational one. After all, having a madman at the helm of any country, let alone a super power, is more likely to end in disaster.

Do you think fake news stories and people jumping all over themselves on any unvetted possibility of ammunition aids or hurts that goal though?

I think the reactionary left and MAGA are both looking about as loony tune right now.


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21 Jan 2019, 5:49 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Many of us feel taking the "impeach Trump" side is the rational one. After all, having a madman at the helm of any country, let alone a super power, is more likely to end in disaster.

Do you think fake news stories and people jumping all over themselves on any unvetted possibility of ammunition aids or hurts that goal though?

I think the reactionary left and MAGA are both looking about as loony tune right now.


What fake news stories are you referring to?


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21 Jan 2019, 5:54 pm

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it's very odd when I think about this...Rather than controlling yourself and using protection, "safe sex", people just go around screwing without care then go get an abortion.


Well you don't have to worry because you can stop thinking that as it's not how it usually works.

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/defaul ... 711005.pdf
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 ... ew-report/
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psr ... -2000-2001
http://americanpregnancy.org/preventing ... l-failure/

Most women have abortions because they can't afford children or because they already have children and can't afford more. There may be the occasionally crazy who has several and refuses to use birth control, but the large majority of women who get abortions are there for several reasons, including not being able to afford more kids and their birth control failing them. Many are already parents who don't want or can't afford more children. They're not out there "slutting it up" without protection and getting abortions willy-nilly like you seem to think, so you can stop thinking that now.


One, it's not solely on women, don't twist my words, I do believe it takes both a man and a woman to cocieve a child. Two, I have known plenty of woman who got pregnant in that exact fashion. 3, I already said I believe women should have the right to have abortions. Unsafe sex is largely practiced, how do you think std's spread?


"Screw your statistics, I have anecdotes! Far more scientific and reliable, those."

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You're cute.



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21 Jan 2019, 8:09 pm

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What fake news stories are you referring to?

The most recent was the Buzzfeed article (which my last Youtube post - Jimmy Dore Show - was on), which was bad enough for Mueller to break silence and try to correct the record. It seems like most of the Russia stuff is just empty though but with Hillary having championed it everyone seems to be going after it full speed.

This reminds me a lot of the days early in Barack Obama's presidency when you had the Birthers claiming that he was born in Kenya, that his birth certificate was fabricated, and they made enough noise that it obscured proper criticism. It seems like it's just the same type of people - different party this time though.

Again though, if people want to impeach Trump they need to step away from this, call it the radioactive circus that it is, and get him on what high crimes and misdemeanors or dereliction of duty that actually happen and fit grounds for impeachment.


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21 Jan 2019, 8:49 pm

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Many of us feel taking the "impeach Trump" side is the rational one. After all, having a madman at the helm of any country, let alone a super power, is more likely to end in disaster.


Trump is not a madman. He's a showman; an actor, who knows how to appeal to a particular part of the American public that felt completely alienated by previous presidents.

Trump is to the poorest & most disenfranchised segments of the White population what Barack "Nobel prize for no reason" Obama was to poor, disenfranchised Blacks : a man supposed to bring "change they believe in" who actually perpetuates the status quo and even makes thing worse!

Either way, it doesn't matter who is the president. It's the oligarchs behind the president who really matter. They've been in control of both parties for decades! And they don't give a **** about us muggles.

Impeaching Trump would not change anything, because Trump is nothing but a puppet, like the presidents before him. And as long as Americans believe they can introduce real change through "voting", things will only get progressively worse!

To quote Woody Harrelson :

excerpt from Thoughts From Within, by Woody Harrelson wrote:
This government was founded by, of, and for the people
but everybody feels it
like a giant open sore
they don’t represent us anymore
And blaming the President for the country’s woes
is like yelling at a puppet
for the way it sings

Who’s the man behind the curtain pulling the strings?


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21 Jan 2019, 10:03 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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What fake news stories are you referring to?

The most recent was the Buzzfeed article (which my last Youtube post - Jimmy Dore Show - was on), which was bad enough for Mueller to break silence and try to correct the record. It seems like most of the Russia stuff is just empty though but with Hillary having championed it everyone seems to be going after it full speed.

This reminds me a lot of the days early in Barack Obama's presidency when you had the Birthers claiming that he was born in Kenya, that his birth certificate was fabricated, and they made enough noise that it obscured proper criticism. It seems like it's just the same type of people - different party this time though.

Again though, if people want to impeach Trump they need to step away from this, call it the radioactive circus that it is, and get him on what high crimes and misdemeanors or dereliction of duty that actually happen and fit grounds for impeachment.


Regardless of Buzzfeed jumping the gun, Mueller's convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen says otherwise that there's nothing there.
The "Obama was really born in Kenya" lunacy - of which Trump was a prime mover - absolutely had zero evidence to support it, whereas there is plenty of fire with that smoking Trumpster fire (again, the Mueller convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen).


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21 Jan 2019, 10:05 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Many of us feel taking the "impeach Trump" side is the rational one. After all, having a madman at the helm of any country, let alone a super power, is more likely to end in disaster.


Trump is not a madman. He's a showman; an actor, who knows how to appeal to a particular part of the American public that felt completely alienated by previous presidents.

Trump is to the poorest & most disenfranchised segments of the White population what Barack "Nobel prize for no reason" Obama was to poor, disenfranchised Blacks : a man supposed to bring "change they believe in" who actually perpetuates the status quo and even makes thing worse!

Either way, it doesn't matter who is the president. It's the oligarchs behind the president who really matter. They've been in control of both parties for decades! And they don't give a **** about us muggles.

Impeaching Trump would not change anything, because Trump is nothing but a puppet, like the presidents before him. And as long as Americans believe they can introduce real change through "voting", things will only get progressively worse!

To quote Woody Harrelson :

excerpt from Thoughts From Within, by Woody Harrelson wrote:
This government was founded by, of, and for the people
but everybody feels it
like a giant open sore
they don’t represent us anymore
And blaming the President for the country’s woes
is like yelling at a puppet
for the way it sings

Who’s the man behind the curtain pulling the strings?


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Trump is one of those oligarchs.


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21 Jan 2019, 10:23 pm

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Regardless of Buzzfeed jumping the gun, Mueller's convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen says otherwise that there's nothing there.
The "Obama was really born in Kenya" lunacy - of which Trump was a prime mover - absolutely had zero evidence to support it, whereas there is plenty of fire with that smoking Trumpster fire (again, the Mueller convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen).

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'll find typical political corruption, I just have deep doubts that it's Russian.

I also find it particularly telling that Noam Chomsky is blowing off the Russia thing. For a wide variety of reasons I can only imagine the new left getting ready to say that he's gotten old, that he's losing it, or that he's 'drifting right' when there likely isn't any good evidence to base that on.


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21 Jan 2019, 10:28 pm

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Regardless of Buzzfeed jumping the gun, Mueller's convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen says otherwise that there's nothing there.
The "Obama was really born in Kenya" lunacy - of which Trump was a prime mover - absolutely had zero evidence to support it, whereas there is plenty of fire with that smoking Trumpster fire (again, the Mueller convictions and indictments of Trump henchmen).

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'll find typical political corruption, I just have deep doubts that it's Russian.

I also find it particularly telling that Noam Chomsky is blowing off the Russia thing. For a wide variety of reasons I can only imagine the new left getting ready to say that he's gotten old, that he's losing it, or that he's 'drifting right' when there likely isn't any good evidence to base that on.


Why then the desperation on the part of Trump and his henchmen to hide particulars of the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents? Or Trump's secret indebtedness with Russian oligarchs tied to Putin?


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21 Jan 2019, 10:36 pm

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Why then the desperation on the part of Trump and his henchmen to hide particulars of the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents? Or Trump's secret indebtedness with Russian oligarchs tied to Putin?

I'm not Noam Chomsky, or Jimmy Dore for that matter. Maybe better to check out what they have to say about it.


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21 Jan 2019, 11:45 pm

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Chomsky is human, and even he can be in error.


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22 Jan 2019, 12:47 am

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Chomsky is human, and even he can be in error.

Good way to lock down a closed loop. I'll leave ya to it.


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22 Jan 2019, 12:58 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Chomsky is human, and even he can be in error.

Good way to lock down a closed loop. I'll leave ya to it.


Well, thank you. I've admittedly had a few too many remembering Dr. King. :drunken:


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22 Jan 2019, 5:02 am

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Trump is one of those oligarchs.


I'm pretty sure Trump has always been a mere front for New York branch of the international crime syndicate; an extension of the National Crime Syndicate co-founded back in the day by the illustrious Meyer Lansky back in 1929.

Two of his Trump's biggest campaign "donors" are Las Vegas casino magnates Steve Wynn & Sheldon Adelson. Trump is also a business partner of Phil Ruffin, owner of the Treasure Island Hotel and Casino & co-owner of the Trump International Hotel. As I'm sure you know, Las Vegas was practically founded by the National Crime Syndicate.

If you think that's a coincidence, consider that Trump's mentor was a literal mob lawyer named Roy Cohn. And then there's his illustrious contacts with the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch of the syndicate. More on that below.

So, IMO, it's pretty obvious, really, that the United States is run by literal mobsters.

Some articles on Trump's mob connections :

* Trump's résumé is rife with mob connections
* A Brief History of Donald Trump and the Mafia
* President Trump to meet with Sheldon Adelson, Phil Ruffin and Steve Wynn?
* Adelson Casino Empire Investigated for Mob Ties, Prostitution
* Who Towers Behind Trump?
* Donald Trump's Mafia Connections: Decades Later, Is He Still Linked to the Mob?

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'll find typical political corruption, I just have deep doubts that it's Russian.


Trump is connected to the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch of the international crime syndicate through individuals like Felix Sater, Tevfik Arif and Alexander Mashkevitch & organizations like the Bayrock Group.

This is the real Russia-Trump connection.

Here's an interesting Dutch documentary on Trump's connections with the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch.



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22 Jan 2019, 1:02 pm

aspiesavant wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump is one of those oligarchs.


I'm pretty sure Trump has always been a mere front for New York branch of the international crime syndicate; an extension of the National Crime Syndicate co-founded back in the day by the illustrious Meyer Lansky back in 1929.

Two of his Trump's biggest campaign "donors" are Las Vegas casino magnates Steve Wynn & Sheldon Adelson. Trump is also a business partner of Phil Ruffin, owner of the Treasure Island Hotel and Casino & co-owner of the Trump International Hotel. As I'm sure you know, Las Vegas was practically founded by the National Crime Syndicate.

If you think that's a coincidence, consider that Trump's mentor was a literal mob lawyer named Roy Cohn. And then there's his illustrious contacts with the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch of the syndicate. More on that below.

So, IMO, it's pretty obvious, really, that the United States is run by literal mobsters.

Some articles on Trump's mob connections :

* Trump's résumé is rife with mob connections
* A Brief History of Donald Trump and the Mafia
* President Trump to meet with Sheldon Adelson, Phil Ruffin and Steve Wynn?
* Adelson Casino Empire Investigated for Mob Ties, Prostitution
* Who Towers Behind Trump?
* Donald Trump's Mafia Connections: Decades Later, Is He Still Linked to the Mob?

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'll find typical political corruption, I just have deep doubts that it's Russian.


Trump is connected to the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch of the international crime syndicate through individuals like Felix Sater, Tevfik Arif and Alexander Mashkevitch & organizations like the Bayrock Group.

This is the real Russia-Trump connection.

Here's an interesting Dutch documentary on Trump's connections with the Russian-Kazakh-Israeli branch.


I'm very aware of Trump's mob ties. Among those ties are the Russian mafia, which has been co-opted into the Kremlin power structure, along with the Russian oligarchs who also are mobbed up.


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