Ben Shapiro on transgender kids

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Common sense is a terrible method of arriving at truths.

The universe is an incredibly complex place. Our intuitions must be rigorously tested.

I view common sense as logical thinking. All science revolves around logical thinking, it leads to creating tests to arrive to an ultimate or theoretical conclusion.

If somebody tells me I ought to believe in something, and I ask why?

"Common sense" is NOT an explanation.

Not sure blocking puberty in children because the child might turn out to be transsexual, is a very good way to 'help' people. I mean why not let the kid be a kid....and when puberty hits if that child feels they are the wrong gender then they can look into transitioning.

That's nonsense too. After puberty, transition is much more difficult. You can often tell after 12 years or so what the kid's issues are.

The only opinion that really matters these days in the USA is what the your insurance company will cover. And insurance companies like puberty blockers because it lowers their expenses.

Two ways transitioning can go wrong is autism and multiple personality disorder. Fortunately, MPD is quite rare. Autism can make it impossible for someone to make new social connections after transitioning. But, in either case, "normal" didn't work to begin with.

https://world.wng.org/content/doctors_p ... experiment

---Doctors: Puberty blockers are a dangerous experiment---
"Three medical experts are pushing back on the increasingly common practice of using puberty blockers on children and teens struggling with gender dysphoria.

Their report, published Tuesday in the journal The New Atlantis, sheds light on what it calls the “radical” and “experimental” practice of using puberty suppression hormones on children as young as 9.

The paper, “Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria,” is co-authored by Paul W. Hruz, a professor at Washington University School of Medicine; Lawrence S. Mayer, a scholar in residence at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and a professor at Arizona State University; and Paul R. McHugh, university distinguished professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the former psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins.

Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh first point to a recent and dramatic increase in young people receiving treatment for gender identity issues. One of many examples they use: Gender Identity Development Service in the United Kingdom saw a 2,000 percent increase in referrals in seven years—from 94 children in 2009-2010 to 1,986 in 2016-2017.

While more and more gender-dysphoric children are getting treatment, the authors argue very little is known about the full spectrum of psychological and physical consequences stemming from puberty suppression and cross-sex hormone therapy.

While they often are pushed as a fully reversible, harmless, and cautionary treatment option, the reality, according to the authors, is that children, parents, and doctors are making decisions in scientific ignorance. "
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this is the paper the first article mentions

Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicat ... wing-pains

Insurance companies aren't worried about the risks involved because of extensive birth control research. And the fact that everyone recognizes the signs of puberty.

Certainly, the science on this is new. But let's not dismiss the phenomenon as being entirely cultural. The New Atlantis leans conservative and religious, it's not a science journal.

I'll give you that one, but it still concerns me how things are going down. To me, it does seem to be strictly culture related, especially when you hear many people say things like 'pushing kids into straight sexuality stereo types ', 'Straight privileged', some studies of 'rapid onset gender dysphoria'(Because it's become a social trend). That seems to be a very flawed way of thinking and honestly pure nonsense. It should be obvious to all that humans evolved by men and women having sex, creating social trends to abandon it can have dramatic results, possibly catastrophic results. In no other species of mammals will you find this kind of construct. There is one example of predominately bi-sexuality, some form of orangutan that has evolved large genitalia because they have a social tendency to greet and socialize with acts of sexual pleasure. Males and females still have sex to reproduce and I don't think any of them are into anal sex.

What worries me most is how activists are influencing social sciences and politics. Also political outcries to remove any study they do not agree with. Some studies may have flaws, science tends to deal with this itself by criticizing and peer review. What it doesn't need is transgender activists making public outcries to have studies they don't agree with completely removed, this is becoming a problem. Activists produce the most incorrect bias studies, this can be seen in gender study and even religious activists(Evolution isn't real my ass!, lol)

I'm not anti transgender, I hope people aren't getting that impression. I just think it's a foolish leap to jump into something that has potential devastating results without proper study. Trans activists are making this a bit difficult by demanding studies they don't agree with to be removed and also attacking scientists for producing the studies. They are many cases of this, that's why I say activists should have no control on science, science is a self sufficient process, no activist should be able to demand and achieve removing a study, nor attacking scientists or producing studies.

What I would like to see happen is freedom of non bias study. We should measure suicidal and depression percentages among people diagnosed with gender dysphoria that get medical attention and don't transition(of various age groups including the elder). We should compare that data to people diagnosed with gender dysphoria that did transition(Various ages including elder(very Important to examine people 50's and up to 70's). We should also have a study covering the same things for people with ROGD. As well as do more studies to give more credit to ROGD. It's obvious that people follow social trends, in this particular subject it could lead to devastating results. It's very difficult to reverse the process of transition, also very expensive. Unless you have tons of money, you could desire that yet not be able to afford it.

Also we need to study children that are being put on puberty blockers, we need to pay close attention to how their lives evolve all the way up to being elder. Men and women have an evolutionary tendency to desire each other and 'retire' together.

I see it wrong to compare to species like reptiles, don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of female on female , but in reptiles these females are somewhat mating with each-other specifically for genetic variations offered(And females can clone themselves), even within these species males exist and come around to aid in the much stronger genetic variations that females can't give one another(For the purpose of adaptation).

side note: I love when I get on something so hardcore, I can pick up on things incredibly fast with my obsessive nature. It gets my hyped up with energy also, like I'm on cocaine, lol. Remove my interest, and I become completely drained of energy, to the point even getting up to walk is very tiresome. I seriously need some medical attention, in time. Anyway, rewind to two moths ago and I have absolutely no knowledge of any of this stuff nor gender science.

Please try to not get upset with my concerns, it's legitimate concerns for the safety of people, depression is a hard road to travel. Not matter what the outcomes may be, what's best for the individual is best for the individual, if transitioning ultimately helps particular people then it's a definite yes, they should do so. If the outcomes of depression strengthen after transition than clearly more thought should be put into the situation. As an adult it's your freedom to make very negative decisions, letting children blindly jump into this is another thing. We need more studies, plain and simple or we risk destroying many underage lives.

Another study needs to be done on kids given puberty blockers that didn't want a sex change, that wanted breasts and large penises for various reasons and study them to make sure we have not made damaging decisions. nAll this stuff needs to be proceeded with cautions and study, not just flat out telling kids being trans is great, and that is sadly a big trend occurring with no evidence to support the claim. Kids that don't even have legitimate gender dysphoria are trying to move on with transition. I know this from watching a few doctors talk about it, they even made the claim that yes, for a child with a legitimate diagnosis, transition can aid greatly. We still need to see how it impacts their lives to the extent of becoming old.

"Straight-acting" and stereotypes of masculinity (toxic masculinity) aren't driven by sexual attraction to females, they are cultural forms.

Please explain more, men and women evolved being attracted to each-other. This is true in countless species, birds with calling songs, colors. The human evolution into social construct is a much more complex situation. We think we have escaped instinct, many biologists can show our assumptions are wrong, even to the degree of things we say, some scientists view that as just another bird song just far more complex.

On a hilarious note, one said if we were to actually translate bird calls to English, the majority is "let f***, lets F***", lol.

We can also see just how very untrue that statement is when analyzing porn. What kind of porn do you think straight women prefer? A man that is unattractive, non muscular and out of shape, no. The majority would be handsome men, physically fit and muscular.

The way the white male patriarchy works.

You need to listen to us.
Years later. It turned out badly, can you help us?
You should have been more responsible, we can't afford to help you.

I like my women physically fit too. I was talking about cultural norms, women wear dresses and act dainty, men wear pants and don't cry, etc.