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03 May 2019, 2:02 am

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I never had to pay anything for my Molina coverage through the ACA.

Ezra and I have explained this to you ad nauseum.

a. You appear to get fully subsidized.
b. Most don't.
c. Here is a chart .. using a family of three ... at merely $25,000 household income .. $500 is not subsidized.

d. Here is a chart .. using a family of one ... at merely $15,000 household income .. $300 is not subsidized.

https://www.financialsamurai.com/subsid ... obamacare/

Why have sympathy for poor people about the ACA, when you otherwise think all they deserve is a kick in the a$$?

Rich people have insurance. They weren't the ones paying the penalty.

The ACA penalty was siphoning millions of dollars off poor/middle class people.

I care, because it's disgusting to have a law that penalizes people into buying something they may not want, may not need, and may not be able to afford.

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03 May 2019, 2:06 am

crocodile tears. :roll:

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03 May 2019, 2:08 am

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3. ACA mandate eliminated - Yea! This ugly, un-American, disgraceful law was eliminated.

Why is it un-American? What will Trump replace it with?

It forced poor people to pay a $695 fine if they didn't buy health insurance (that they couldn't afford).

How is that any different from penalising them for not paying their taxes?

It's like the expression ...never kick someone when they're down ...

These people can't afford health insurance so lets (kick them) with a $695 penalty.

They got up and voted in Trump who promised to end the penalty.

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03 May 2019, 2:10 am

says the person who thinks we all deserve nothing but a kick in the @$$. :roll:

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03 May 2019, 2:10 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

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3. ACA mandate eliminated - Yea! This ugly, un-American, disgraceful law was eliminated.

Why is it un-American? What will Trump replace it with?

It forced poor people to pay a $695 fine if they didn't buy health insurance (that they couldn't afford).

How is that any different from penalising them for not paying their taxes?

The poor have to pay a lot of different fees. Why focus on that one in particular? Who else benefits from the end of the ACA?

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03 May 2019, 2:18 am

quite simple- follow the money, to the newly re-bloated insurance company allowed to monopolize and cherry-pick their patients all over again just like the bad old days before PPACA. the false xtian bluenosed moralists who get to witness [with glee] the suffering of the poor, tut-tutting about how they just "didn't have the faith" or were "on the wrong side of god."

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03 May 2019, 2:18 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

3. ACA mandate eliminated - Yea! This ugly, un-American, disgraceful law was eliminated.

Why is it un-American? What will Trump replace it with?

It forced poor people to pay a $695 fine if they didn't buy health insurance (that they couldn't afford).

How is that any different from penalising them for not paying their taxes?

The poor have to pay a lot of different fees. Why focus on that one in particular? Who else benefits from the end of the ACA?

This was a particularly painful fine because ...

1. You're paying this fine, because you're too poor to afford health insurance (called "adding insult to injury")
2. You got nothing for this.
3. It was entirely due on April 15th. So, all of a sudden, on April 15th, here's a $695 bill due.

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03 May 2019, 2:26 am

So what's the alternative?

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03 May 2019, 2:33 am

what the GOP fails to mention is that if the costs of compliance are more than about 8% of net income, the IRS will grant an exemption. ignore all the GOP sophistry and remember the words of GOP senator bob packwood, "We've killed health-care reform. Now all we've got to do is make sure our fingerprints aren't on it.".

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03 May 2019, 2:33 am

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So what's the alternative?

they have no alternative that will actually allow the working class practical and affordable access to our health care system.

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03 May 2019, 2:38 am

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So what's the alternative?

I like the Singapore health care model, where people are forced to save into a private medical account, and they must first exhaust that account before state coverage kicks in.

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03 May 2019, 2:48 am

ordinary working class people cannot afford to save sufficient fundage into an account, to pay for any realistically priced health care. in my little town, the local doc in the box won't even let you in the door if you can't pay him about $400 cash just to be seen. i don't know anybody who is not middle-class, who can afford that. in amuuurica, most folks have to live paycheck to paycheck, no savings really possible with what the bosses pay us and what the landlord charges us for the leaky mold-infested roofs over our heads.

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03 May 2019, 3:35 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

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So what's the alternative?

I like the Singapore health care model, where people are forced to save into a private medical account, and they must first exhaust that account before state coverage kicks in.

Why hasn't Trump proposed something like that? Scrapping something with a planned replacement seems rather irreparable.

Does the Singapore model include a fine for people who can't pay enough into the account?

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03 May 2019, 7:17 am

america has reached midlate stage hypercapitalism .. like hongkong

Nothings gonna change it.

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03 May 2019, 8:52 am

Hyper-casinocapitalism !

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03 May 2019, 8:55 am

yeah as of now singapore or gulf arab states may be a better place to live in tbh .. for the untalented regular citizens .. i mean both here in america and there in singapore/gulf states are run by oligarchs so ..

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