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similarly I'm not a reductive materialist and I have had enough 'supernatural' experience that - for my own life -
If I wasn't schizophrenic I would probably believe in the Supernatural too. But I believe in providence instead. For example When I moves to texas I couldn't find my favorite shirt so was sure that I lost it. 5 years and I never see it again. I move to MS and one day my favorite shirt is at the top of my laundry. Maybe it has just hiding all this time, maybe my mother found another one just like at the thrift store and bought it for me, maybe I wake up in a different but similar reality each day. I don't know, but I am confident that it didn't involve reality being changed in someway not allowed by nature.
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I'm at least glad I haven't heard the 'prove it!' request in a long time because there's no sincerity to it, any attempt to 'prove it' just meets dismissals (no sign that whatever evidence was given even got looked at), if you bring up one study or one bit of science it's 'just one thing' in favor, you could bring up several things and the conversation will probably just end rather than progress,
Round eathers! THey are just as delusional as Flat earthers the fact that they are right doesn't mean that their thinking is an better.
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I'd add as well - I'm not out to force people to be intellectually honest, I can't, I would at least love to engage with people who want to try their hand at such but at the same time I'm equally too pessimistic about human nature (especially for what I've seen online in the last 20 years I've been on, looking at what's real in the news politically, etc.) to believe that it's possible for good arguments to make much of a dent.
Me too!
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If there are people who want to think critically about these things I'd love to talk to them,
PM me so we don't get interrupted by people jealous that people are having a conversation that is over their heads.
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Regardless though I'd also rather test the concepts that I work with, see what kinds of high quality criticism they get, and to the extent that they've stood the test of time and scrutiny I like to share my ideas because if almost no one else is saying these things, and if true they seem deeply salient/important, then I can't think of a particularly good reason not to talk about them.
You can't lead people to a truth they don't want to hear, but you can mislead them to it.
Lies are the sharpest weapon, truth the bluntest. And when you want to surgically remove a cancer from someone you want to use a sharp scalpel not a rusty spoon.
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