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16 Mar 2019, 9:31 pm

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Actually, left wing journalists are making people more hateful, more divided. I'm white, Trump hasn't made me hateful.


Trump's whole political career is built on the racist, baseless birther lie, which spread like wild fire among racists. Kind hard to deny Trump had stoked the hate all this time.


Yea, yea. Completely untrue but you are free to keep believing that. The radical portion of the left are doing way more damage, Trump actually isn't doing any damage other than being poor at communicating what he is saying. If white racism is even on the rise it has alot more to do with the radical left inciting racism by making white people feel outcasted by stating that being born white means there is something wrong with you and you are automatically racist because of your skin color. Racism is racism, people inciting racism are really messed up in the head and there are millions of them within the radical left doing just that. Racism incites racism, that was one of MLK's points. Adding to racism by being racist does not help get rid of racism, it breeds racism. It's as if the left desires racism and hate, it's what they preach. All racist people suck, that includes the larger portion of racist people on the left.


So... what exactly are you trying to say?
That racists didn't eat up Trump's birther lies? Because they certainly did.
Or that Trump's birtherism really weren't lies? You're saying Obama was really born in Kenya? His birth certificate says otherwise.
Or that Trump didn't build his political career on birtherism? There's plenty of media evidence that he did, including the racist birther sh*t coming out of his mouth.


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16 Mar 2019, 9:37 pm

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Crimadella wrote:
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Actually, left wing journalists are making people more hateful, more divided. I'm white, Trump hasn't made me hateful.


Trump's whole political career is built on the racist, baseless birther lie, which spread like wild fire among racists. Kind hard to deny Trump had stoked the hate all this time.


Yea, yea. Completely untrue but you are free to keep believing that. The radical portion of the left are doing way more damage, Trump actually isn't doing any damage other than being poor at communicating what he is saying. If white racism is even on the rise it has alot more to do with the radical left inciting racism by making white people feel outcasted by stating that being born white means there is something wrong with you and you are automatically racist because of your skin color. Racism is racism, people inciting racism are really messed up in the head and there are millions of them within the radical left doing just that. Racism incites racism, that was one of MLK's points. Adding to racism by being racist does not help get rid of racism, it breeds racism. It's as if the left desires racism and hate, it's what they preach. All racist people suck, that includes the larger portion of racist people on the left.


So... what exactly are you trying to say?
That racists didn't eat up Trump's birther lies? Because they certainly did.
Or that Trump's birtherism really weren't lies? You're saying Obama was really born in Kenya? His birth certificate says otherwise.
Or that Trump didn't build his political career on birtherism? There's plenty of media evidence that he did, including the racist birther sh*t coming out of his mouth.


you really don't understand the meaning of the word racism do you?

RACISM
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice/bigotry, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, bias, intolerance; More
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
"theories of racism"

Perhaps if I suggest a dog is born in Atlanta, that is Dogism, how very stupid of an argument.



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16 Mar 2019, 9:38 pm

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Now all the hate crimes are fake and done by leftists to frame the right. Now we're resorting to crazy conspiracy theories.


I think of fake hate crimes like fake rape reports. They happen just enough to make it difficult to know when it's the real thing.

By the way the fake rape report incidence is estimated at 10%. That means 90% of the time a rape report is accurate, but 10% is actually a pretty high false positive rate. Under standard T testing the correlation of a rape report with rapes would be considered insignificant.

My view is all accusations of serious crimes like rape and hate crimes should be taken seriously and investigated fully. However, this does not mean the "victim" should be automatically believed.


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16 Mar 2019, 9:42 pm

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Actually, left wing journalists are making people more hateful, more divided. I'm white, Trump hasn't made me hateful.


Yeah, anecdotal evidence is as bad as claiming causation from correlation. I agree that I think identity politics are the root cause of racial angst in this country. Things were not so dire 10 years ago.

Trump is making things worse by playing to people's worse impulses. White identity politics is still identity politics.


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16 Mar 2019, 10:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Piobaire wrote:


Actually, left wing journalists are making people more hateful, more divided. I'm white, Trump hasn't made me hateful.


Trump's whole political career is built on the racist, baseless birther lie, which spread like wild fire among racists. Kind hard to deny Trump had stoked the hate all this time.


Yea, yea. Completely untrue but you are free to keep believing that. The radical portion of the left are doing way more damage, Trump actually isn't doing any damage other than being poor at communicating what he is saying. If white racism is even on the rise it has alot more to do with the radical left inciting racism by making white people feel outcasted by stating that being born white means there is something wrong with you and you are automatically racist because of your skin color. Racism is racism, people inciting racism are really messed up in the head and there are millions of them within the radical left doing just that. Racism incites racism, that was one of MLK's points. Adding to racism by being racist does not help get rid of racism, it breeds racism. It's as if the left desires racism and hate, it's what they preach. All racist people suck, that includes the larger portion of racist people on the left.


So... what exactly are you trying to say?
That racists didn't eat up Trump's birther lies? Because they certainly did.
Or that Trump's birtherism really weren't lies? You're saying Obama was really born in Kenya? His birth certificate says otherwise.
Or that Trump didn't build his political career on birtherism? There's plenty of media evidence that he did, including the racist birther sh*t coming out of his mouth.


Interesting fact: If Obama actually had been born in Kenya, he would have been born a British subject. Kenya would not be independent for two more years.

I think Trump merely enabled white nationalists to come out of the woodwork. I don’t think they became racist *because* of Trump, although some may have.

The fact that centrists are being squeezed out by larger margins, and we’re basically deciding which type of extremism is more palatable is what upsets me.


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16 Mar 2019, 10:45 pm

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Now all the hate crimes are fake and done by leftists to frame the right. Now we're resorting to crazy conspiracy theories.


I think of fake hate crimes like fake rape reports. They happen just enough to make it difficult to know when it's the real thing.

By the way the fake rape report incidence is estimated at 10%. That means 90% of the time a rape report is accurate, but 10% is actually a pretty high false positive rate. Under standard T testing the correlation of a rape report with rapes would be considered insignificant.

My view is all accusations of serious crimes like rape and hate crimes should be taken seriously and investigated fully. However, this does not mean the "victim" should be automatically believed.


If I'm not mistaken that 10% statistic is the amount of cases that police ultimately ruled "unfounded"--and there have been problems with many police departments over the years finding rape charges unfounded for any number of bad reasons like they don't want to investigate sex crimes because they don't take them seriously, or because of myths of ways that victims "should" behave after being traumatized when studies have now shown what can happen to the brain because of trauma and how different people will react to it like how some people freeze in the moment instead of fighting because that is their instinctual response, or people who are quiet because they are in shock instead of being really emotional and weeping, or because of lack of funding/personel. Just look at the epidemic of untested rape kits across North America because for one reason or another police don't want to test those kits and investigate the crimes they represent.

The Globe & Mail: Unfounded - Why police dismiss 1 in 5 sexual assault claims as baseless

Buzzfeed News: Unfounded. This Police Department Tosses Aside Rape Reports When A Victim Doesn’t Resist “To The Best Of Her Ability”

USA Today: Tens of thousands of rape kits go untested across USA



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17 Mar 2019, 12:19 am

Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Piobaire wrote:


Actually, left wing journalists are making people more hateful, more divided. I'm white, Trump hasn't made me hateful.


Trump's whole political career is built on the racist, baseless birther lie, which spread like wild fire among racists. Kind hard to deny Trump had stoked the hate all this time.


Yea, yea. Completely untrue but you are free to keep believing that. The radical portion of the left are doing way more damage, Trump actually isn't doing any damage other than being poor at communicating what he is saying. If white racism is even on the rise it has alot more to do with the radical left inciting racism by making white people feel outcasted by stating that being born white means there is something wrong with you and you are automatically racist because of your skin color. Racism is racism, people inciting racism are really messed up in the head and there are millions of them within the radical left doing just that. Racism incites racism, that was one of MLK's points. Adding to racism by being racist does not help get rid of racism, it breeds racism. It's as if the left desires racism and hate, it's what they preach. All racist people suck, that includes the larger portion of racist people on the left.


So... what exactly are you trying to say?
That racists didn't eat up Trump's birther lies? Because they certainly did.
Or that Trump's birtherism really weren't lies? You're saying Obama was really born in Kenya? His birth certificate says otherwise.
Or that Trump didn't build his political career on birtherism? There's plenty of media evidence that he did, including the racist birther sh*t coming out of his mouth.


you really don't understand the meaning of the word racism do you?

RACISM
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice/bigotry, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, bias, intolerance; More
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
"theories of racism"

Perhaps if I suggest a dog is born in Atlanta, that is Dogism, how very stupid of an argument.


Yes, I do understand what racism is. But the issue here is Trump using racism to incite his base with claims that whites were losing out to blacks, with everything from Obama's election to blacks moving up the social and economic ladder. Yes, things are rough on poor whites, but that has nothing to do blacks finally getting access to the promise of America, nor does it have anything to do with the liberal media beating poor whites down. Rather, it's economic elites like Trump who are responsible for the widening class chasm. The only difference is, Trump misdirects the blame focused on him and his peers and sets it on those even more disadvantaged than poor whites.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:11 am

More like some people see trumps presidency as an opportunity to spread the hate. I mean he does not directly support that stuff but I would say he probably has not discouraged it enough. But the thing is this hate is not new, its been brewing under the surfaces for quite a while its just coming out more now.

I mean here I'll admit this, when I was around 17 I was in a pretty bad place, and I got a little bit sucked into white supremacist stuff. I am very much ashamed of it but I can kind of understand I was in a really bad place and trying to find a way not to be bothered by the things going on in my life. But online I got involved in some nazi communities and such...and they were active back then like 11 years ago trying to suck in people like me who felt left out in life. I mean luckily I didn't get pulled into that part of it was my family, well my brother told my mom he was concerned about me getting into that stuff so she confronted me and well.....yeah I just felt like an as*hole and stopped that nonsense.

So that is why I don't promote any tolerance towards nazi stuff, like the will try to suck in unpopular disenfranchised feeling kids and turn them into extremists. And I was at risk of becoming one, but luckily I got out of it before that....seriously its embarrasing to talk about it but I was at a point I was starting to get into that stuff and yeah I cannot defend that at all.Yet the people willing to stand side by side with nazis...some of them were very fine people according to trump. I was not a very fine person when I was getting into that, I was a piece of sh*t.

Its embarrasing, but how many other young people are they targeting and trying to attract? Especially since they have been active since before I was 17 and was getting sucked in.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:26 am

Maybe if Trump did not have a goal of ruining the environment, I'd give him more of a chance...but so far he has proven he has no concerns about that.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:40 am

The entire country is becoming more hateful. We're living in turmoil right now.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:49 am

This is how I know without a doubt Trump is a bad leader. A GOOD leader unites his people together no matter what, but he has only succeeded in dividing us. It's not just his fault either our entire government with its two party system crap is guilty of it.


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17 Mar 2019, 4:03 am

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This is how I know without a doubt Trump is a bad leader. A GOOD leader unites his people together no matter what, but he has only succeeded in dividing us. It's not just his fault either our entire government with its two party system crap is guilty of it.


For sure, I think trump is just a symptom of the larger problem.


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17 Mar 2019, 4:08 am

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The entire country is becoming more hateful. We're living in turmoil right now.


Its not the whole country. I am from Colorado and the feds want to take back federal funds for public safety because Colorado does not want to pour it's law enforcement resources and funds into illegal immigration enforcement. We have you know crimes with more victims that the state police should focus on it would not make sense for them to expand a ton of resources to enforce trumps immigration agenda.

People were trying to say well colorado shouldn't violate federal agenda if they don't want consequences, which for one its not in violation of federal law for the state to say we don't have the means to enforce trumps ridiculous policies. But also Colorado has been violating federal law since we legalized pot and none of them seem to worried about that. But it becomes an issue if it has to do with 'brown people' coming across the border.

Whatever wanna take away federal funds, well maybe with the right representaviship we can just become a self sufficient state, though there are issues even in the state so not sure how likely that is.


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17 Mar 2019, 4:18 am

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The entire country is becoming more hateful. We're living in turmoil right now.


Its not the whole country. I am from Colorado and the feds want to take back federal funds for public safety because Colorado does not want to pour it's law enforcement resources and funds into illegal immigration enforcement. We have you know crimes with more victims that the state police should focus on it would not make sense for them to expand a ton of resources to enforce trumps immigration agenda.

People were trying to say well colorado shouldn't violate federal agenda if they don't want consequences, which for one its not in violation of federal law for the state to say we don't have the means to enforce trumps ridiculous policies. But also Colorado has been violating federal law since we legalized pot and none of them seem to worried about that.

Whatever wanna take away federal funds, well maybe with the right representaviship we can just become a self sufficient state, though there are issues even in the state so not sure how likely that is.


Maybe I should move to Colorado. :lol:

I'm tired of the racist idiots in Georgia who wave a Confederate flag in one hand and an American flag in other. As for Florida... they be on some other s**t! :|


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17 Mar 2019, 4:23 am

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The entire country is becoming more hateful. We're living in turmoil right now.


Its not the whole country. I am from Colorado and the feds want to take back federal funds for public safety because Colorado does not want to pour it's law enforcement resources and funds into illegal immigration enforcement. We have you know crimes with more victims that the state police should focus on it would not make sense for them to expand a ton of resources to enforce trumps immigration agenda.

People were trying to say well colorado shouldn't violate federal agenda if they don't want consequences, which for one its not in violation of federal law for the state to say we don't have the means to enforce trumps ridiculous policies. But also Colorado has been violating federal law since we legalized pot and none of them seem to worried about that.

Whatever wanna take away federal funds, well maybe with the right representaviship we can just become a self sufficient state, though there are issues even in the state so not sure how likely that is.


Maybe I should move to Colorado. :lol:

I'm tired of the racist idiots in Georgia who wave a Confederate flag in one hand and an American flag in other other. As for Florida... they be on some other s**t! :|


There are some of those in colorado to. Or the people that are so offended by the football kneeling they display desecrated flags with a blue stripe instead of the correct red, white and blue one. Which the irony is kneeling before the flag is not even over-all considered a sign of disrespect but desecrating the flag is. So these people pissed about that, display blue line for 'police lives matter' which actually desecrates the flag unlike the kneeling. And yet they b*tch about those black football players disrespecting the flag...

But that said that's not really a thing that gets popular here...I mean one time I recall some racist as*hole was trying to talk crap on people on the bus. And well bus driver stopped and he got shouted off the bus, no one wanted to listen to that crap so everyone yelled at him to get off and the bus driver even obliged and opened the door so people could shove him off the bus. That was pretty great.


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