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17 Mar 2019, 1:46 pm

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More like some people see trumps presidency as an opportunity to spread the hate. I mean he does not directly support that stuff but I would say he probably has not discouraged it enough. But the thing is this hate is not new, its been brewing under the surfaces for quite a while its just coming out more now.

I mean here I'll admit this, when I was around 17 I was in a pretty bad place, and I got a little bit sucked into white supremacist stuff. I am very much ashamed of it but I can kind of understand I was in a really bad place and trying to find a way not to be bothered by the things going on in my life. But online I got involved in some nazi communities and such...and they were active back then like 11 years ago trying to suck in people like me who felt left out in life. I mean luckily I didn't get pulled into that part of it was my family, well my brother told my mom he was concerned about me getting into that stuff so she confronted me and well.....yeah I just felt like an as*hole and stopped that nonsense.

So that is why I don't promote any tolerance towards nazi stuff, like the will try to suck in unpopular disenfranchised feeling kids and turn them into extremists. And I was at risk of becoming one, but luckily I got out of it before that....seriously its embarrasing to talk about it but I was at a point I was starting to get into that stuff and yeah I cannot defend that at all.Yet the people willing to stand side by side with nazis...some of them were very fine people according to trump. I was not a very fine person when I was getting into that, I was a piece of sh*t.

Its embarrasing, but how many other young people are they targeting and trying to attract? Especially since they have been active since before I was 17 and was getting sucked in.


You rejected the hate in the end, and got out of it. That's what counts.


To me, it is equally bad for people to be racist towards white people on a very wide scale, that pushes people towards racist thoughts more so than the very low percentage of white supremacists trying to recruit people. It gives them fuel to be able to better recruit, making people that are white feel like outcasts by labeling them as 'being born racist because of there skin color', that their opinions don't count because they are white, that they should not be able to speak because they are white, college campuses literally building human walls preventing white people from being able to walk to there classes. Why is this behavior being widely accepted? It is just as damaging as white supremacists trying to recruit, the huge difference is these anti-white ideologies are being widely promoted and deemed acceptable, in that sense they are causing much more of a negative impact than actual white supremacists because there are millions, once again an estimated 42 million versus an estimated 150,000 white supremacists. The 150,000 white supremacists are very F-ed up people, and so are the 42 million anti-white people.



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17 Mar 2019, 1:49 pm

Also, why is media hiding black supremacy white exposing white supremacy. The MAGA kids incident, there where black Israelite's there making extremely racist remarks towards white people, why has this fact been buried? Aren't supremacy ideologists bad? Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.



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17 Mar 2019, 1:55 pm

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Well I guess I am in the minority then because he hasn't made me more hateful.

I don't know if more people have actually become more hateful. I know some people believe that including my own mother. The media could just be reporting it more.


Before Trump I never identified as a white person. Most of my friends growing up were Asian-American, and I was playfully described by them as an "egg" (white on the outside, yellow on the inside). In my high school calculus class I was one of 4 white persons in a class of 40 the other 36 were asian american. Once again this was a subject of what I considered harmless jokes:
A stood for Asian, B stood for Bad Asian, C stood for Caucasian, D stood for the daring Asian that would bring a D home, and we all knew what F stood for. Interestingly a white guy from connecticut moved and joined the class midway through the year and was horribly offended by this joke.

We joked about the differences between white families and asian families, but there was nothing vitriolic about it. The most tense "race" relations got was my friends complained that due to affirmative action it was even harder for Asians to get into elite colleges than whites.

Then I moved to the Midwest the year of the 2016 election and was surrounded by predominatly white people and a few bitter minorities. I got called racist for the statement: "I see nothing morally wrong with the concept of a border wall. A wall is not racist, racists can use a wall for racist purposes." I was daily subjected to tirades about how awful white people were. No one would dare tell said angry minorities to shut up, because either they agreed with them despite being white or they were afraid what would happen to them if they challenged such views.

It was only then that I felt constantly attacked for my skin color. It was only after this attack that I started thinking of myself as a white person and more bitter towards minorities. Hate begets hate. Democratic pushing of identity politics caused some white people to be angry. Those people became fans of a divisive angry rhetoric candidate in Trump. Trump inspired feelings of hatred in the minority people I encountered. Their hatred towards me has inspired negative feelings in me.

Once again identity politics are a cancer. Tell people their skin color defines them, how do you think they will react?


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17 Mar 2019, 2:14 pm

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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.



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17 Mar 2019, 2:45 pm

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Then I moved to the Midwest the year of the 2016 election and was surrounded by predominatly white people and a few bitter minorities. I got called racist for the statement: "I see nothing morally wrong with the concept of a border wall. A wall is not racist, racists can use a wall for racist purposes." I was daily subjected to tirades about how awful white people were. No one would dare tell said angry minorities to shut up, because either they agreed with them despite being white or they were afraid what would happen to them if they challenged such views.
In what sort of milieu did you find yourself then? University? Workplace? I can't imagine how in typical American surroundings, and with a predominately white population, you would encounter such attitudes. Except possibly at a University. And if at a University, I think you should be able to ascertain who the idiots are and basically ignore them, rather than get into arguments with them (and possibly allow yourself to be baited).


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17 Mar 2019, 2:46 pm

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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.
I really don't think Black Supremacy is a thing. There is radical Black Nationalism, and even Black Separatism (although this sort of thing was way more prevalent 50 years ago than nowadays). Black Supremacy, that's a new one for me.


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17 Mar 2019, 2:52 pm

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Now all the hate crimes are fake and done by leftists to frame the right. Now we're resorting to crazy conspiracy theories.


I think of fake hate crimes like fake rape reports. They happen just enough to make it difficult to know when it's the real thing.

By the way the fake rape report incidence is estimated at 10%. That means 90% of the time a rape report is accurate, but 10% is actually a pretty high false positive rate. Under standard T testing the correlation of a rape report with rapes would be considered insignificant.

My view is all accusations of serious crimes like rape and hate crimes should be taken seriously and investigated fully. However, this does not mean the "victim" should be automatically believed.


If I'm not mistaken that 10% statistic is the amount of cases that police ultimately ruled "unfounded"--and there have been problems with many police departments over the years finding rape charges unfounded for any number of bad reasons like they don't want to investigate sex crimes because they don't take them seriously, or because of myths of ways that victims "should" behave after being traumatized when studies have now shown what can happen to the brain because of trauma and how different people will react to it like how some people freeze in the moment instead of fighting because that is their instinctual response, or people who are quiet because they are in shock instead of being really emotional and weeping, or because of lack of funding/personel. Just look at the epidemic of untested rape kits across North America because for one reason or another police don't want to test those kits and investigate the crimes they represent.

The Globe & Mail: Unfounded - Why police dismiss 1 in 5 sexual assault claims as baseless

Buzzfeed News: Unfounded. This Police Department Tosses Aside Rape Reports When A Victim Doesn’t Resist “To The Best Of Her Ability”

USA Today: Tens of thousands of rape kits go untested across USA


I'll be honest I don't know how the statistic as calculated. However, rape accusations have power. And in many ways a person who makes a false accusation may be more mentally prepared to stand up to the intense questioning than someone who actually went through the horror of a sexual assault. There's also an unknown number of 3rd party accusers.

The Atlantic's Emily Yoffe published a 3 part series on college rape policy and just how murky it can be:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... cy/538974/

The weaponized accusation is a known phenomenon that has happened again and again across history. Salem witch trials, Red scare McCarthyism.

Anecdotally, I knew a guy in college who had the worst taste in woman. He had an ex-girlfriend from his hometown who was psychotically jealous. He also had a current girlfriend at college who was psychotically possessive. His ex-girlfriend tracked him to college and started making inquiries as to if he was seeing anyone. His current girlfriend felt very threatened and wanted him to get her pregnant so he'd be bound to her. She started demanding he have sex without a condom with her. She said that if he didn't she would report him as a rapist. Guy decided he'd have sex without a condom with her and no rape report was filed.

There are a lot of rapes that don't get reported because the process is arduous and difficult. Is it really so hard to believe that for 9 hurt victims that do actually report there is 1 instance of a bad 3rd party report, a psycho who wants to ruin someone's life, or a regretful sexual encounter that has been recast as an assault?


As someone who has had to deal with the police, yes I believe it is unlikely that as many as 1/10 rape reports to the police are false. it's probably closer to maybe 1/50 rape reports to the police are not true. To be crazy enough to go to the police and lie to them and act traumatized when you're not and file a false report, that is indeed rare--especially considering you can't really go to the police unless you are willing to do a rape kit, and who would do that willingly for a false claim of rape, collecting a rape kit itself is traumatizing. You have to let strangers photograph you naked and take samples from your mouth and vagina and anus, and scrape under your fingernails, and all kinds of intrusions and questions. False claims might be more common on social media or blog posts, but not that many liars are willing to lie to the police because you can get in serious trouble and even get charged yourself for filing a false report in some places. You have to be extra crazy to be willing to go to that extent for a lie.



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17 Mar 2019, 3:03 pm

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bitter minorities

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17 Mar 2019, 3:11 pm

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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.
I really don't think Black Supremacy is a thing. There is radical Black Nationalism, and even Black Separatism (although this sort of thing was way more prevalent 50 years ago than nowadays). Black Supremacy, that's a new one for me.


Really? Then what do you call a group of black people holding up signs with a white man on his knees and a chain around his neck, then the chain extends out to a black man, like he is holding the white man on a leash with words over it, "Now it's time for the white man to be the slave"? Friends??

Yea, it's no surprise it's new to you, because no body reports on it. In a story that spread viral, The MAGA hat teens and the native man that was actually harassing them rather than the other way around, the same group of people who believe that white people should be slaves, black Israelite's were there yelling racial slurs at white people. Now why has that 'fact' been intentionally suppressed??



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17 Mar 2019, 3:14 pm

RushKing wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.


The problem with this argument is no ideological consistency. Take the following true statement:

"An innocent black man is more likely to be killed by a black criminal than a white cop."

People will argue and in my opinion rightly so that this statement has nothing to do with the problem of innocent black persons being killed by trigger happy cops. However, when you make a statement like:

"Racism against Whites is a problem"

You get responses like: "Only whites can be racist," "Racism against minorities is a bigger problem" etc. People consistently put tribe over logical consistency. Either problems are independent of each other and all need to be addressed, or we need to only address the larger problems. Do you see how the two responses to the two statements are logically inconsistent?

Whether people like to admit it or not there is an implicit bias in the media. Over half of journalists identify as Democrats, whereas less than 10% identify as Republicans. Unlike others I don't think these journalists try to sway the public to their beliefs, in fact I think most try to stay objective. It's just that their biases come out whether they want it to or not. The height of arrogance is to believe "Facts have a liberal bias." Increasingly it seems that the facts that have a liberal bias are over represented in the news compared to the facts that have a conservative bias.

I find anyone who thinks conservatives or liberals are mostly correct either lives in a political bubble or isn't questioning what they're told very often. But what do I know, a lot of my thinking was influenced by Thomas Sowell.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:16 pm

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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.


In other words, only white supremacy is bad, supremacists of other races are irrelevant, how very absurd of a thought process.



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17 Mar 2019, 3:19 pm

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How would you characterize a collection of individuals who frequently go on rants about the evils of "white people?" I'm curious.

I never said they didn't have reason to be angry, Trump makes me angry. It's just their anger is directed at me, and that also makes me angry.


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17 Mar 2019, 3:21 pm

Crimadella wrote:
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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.
I really don't think Black Supremacy is a thing. There is radical Black Nationalism, and even Black Separatism (although this sort of thing was way more prevalent 50 years ago than nowadays). Black Supremacy, that's a new one for me.


Really? Then what do you call a group of black people holding up signs with a white man on his knees and a chain around his neck, then the chain extends out to a black man, like he is holding the white man on a leash with words over it, "Now it's time for the white man to be the slave"? Friends??

Yea, it's no surprise it's new to you, because no body reports on it. In a story that spread viral, The MAGA hat teens and the native man that was actually harassing them rather than the other way around, the same group of people who believe that white people should be slaves, black Israelite's were there yelling racial slurs at white people. Now why has that 'fact' been intentionally suppressed??


That fact hasn't been suppressed at all. In fact we here at WP all had an in-depth discussion about that whole incident, including the Black Isrealites that were there and started the confrontation, months ago after the incident happened. I guess you hadn't joined yet or you would have seen that discussion and how often the Black Isrealites were mentioned in it.



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17 Mar 2019, 3:22 pm

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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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How would you characterize a collection of individuals who frequently go on rants about the evils of "white people?" I'm curious.

I never said they didn't have reason to be angry, Trump makes me angry. It's just their anger is directed at me, and that also makes me angry.


I'm definitely not going to talk about racism with you. People that say things like you have here make me really uncomfortable.



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17 Mar 2019, 3:24 pm

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Why do people only condemn white supremacy, seems black supremacy is just as evil.

Makes sense, "black" people are much more hurt by "white" supremacy than "whites" are by "black" supremacy.

One of the social groups holds more power, and has the ability to wreck much more havoc.
I really don't think Black Supremacy is a thing. There is radical Black Nationalism, and even Black Separatism (although this sort of thing was way more prevalent 50 years ago than nowadays). Black Supremacy, that's a new one for me.


Really? Then what do you call a group of black people holding up signs with a white man on his knees and a chain around his neck, then the chain extends out to a black man, like he is holding the white man on a leash with words over it, "Now it's time for the white man to be the slave"? Friends??

Yea, it's no surprise it's new to you, because no body reports on it. In a story that spread viral, The MAGA hat teens and the native man that was actually harassing them rather than the other way around, the same group of people who believe that white people should be slaves, black Israelite's were there yelling racial slurs at white people. Now why has that 'fact' been intentionally suppressed??
This sign you describe was being carried by Black Israelites? To me they are a splinter group of little consequence. The same thing could be rightly said of the small group of people who actually showed up for the Unite the Right event in 2017, however White Supremacy is a widespread idea that actually dominated politics in the South (especially but not exclusively) until quite recently, and is still around. So I would see that as a legitimate threat, whereas a splinter group of black extremists don't pose any threat to me that I can perceive, and anyway very few black people of any consequence associate with such people.

Referring to the original subject line though, I would say that the idea of White Supremacy has definitely re-emerged as a potential threat to our society in that last couple of years, for what ever reason you choose to accept.


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