Pepe's "Extinction rebellion" thread.

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If they up their prices, then people will buy less of their product and carbon emissions will be reduced.

I understand your concern. I do think some (but of course by no means all) criticism of XR comes from people who don't want to do anything about climate change. However, most governments are committed to tackling climate change, including the UK government who are arguably the most ambitious in the world (other countries are decarbonising faster, but are generally set up better to do so).

Personally I'm quite committed to the truth, so when I see someone lying or making a mistake then I tend to correct them, even when they agree with me. It's not necessarily a useful habit and I'm not even sure it is virtuous.

In a double-page spread in the Mail on Sunday, Douglas Murray, launched a blistering attack on climate protesters and soft policing tactics. He writes: “Their refusal to acknowledge any view but their own deranged belief and their defiance of democratic norms is authoritarian, even fascistic … Despite the childish certainty these extremists promote, the science of climate change is deeply contested. Most scientists agree there are variations going on but they disagree on exactly what causes it.”
So that’s where the climate deniers are now, ignoring Nasa’s survey showing 97% of global climate scientists agree that the five warmest years have been the past five, “extremely likely due to human activities”.

With bourgeois baby-boomers bopping goofily to techno music in Trafalgar Square, hemp-trousered “crusties” obstructing bridges as they sit cross-legged on yoga mats, and even the likes of the Prime Minister’s father on board, Extinction Rebellion (XR) has sometimes resembled a wellness festival for ageing hippies meets a sit-in by the National Trust. But dig a little deeper and it is clear where Extinction Rebellion’s roots lie – in the anti-capitalist, anti-globalisation movement which a few years ago was lobbing bricks through the windows of McDonald’s.

Boris Johnson, who has rarely mentioned the ecological crisis since coming to office, dismissed the people taking part in the protests as “uncooperative crusties”who should stop blocking the streets with their “heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs”. [If you need reminding about why the climate crisis is a major global problem, the causes of it and the consequences, have a look at this article which explains it all in just 10 charts.
On the divergence in opinion of when the uk should reach zero emissions...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science- ... t-47121399

https://www.theccc.org.uk/tackling-clim ... d-targets/

Lord Deben, Chairman of the Committee on Climate Change this week said “the fact is that we’re off track to meet our own emissions targets in the 2020s and 2030s”, based on the carbon budgets for that period. The Committee on Climate Change is an independent body which advises the government on emissions targets, and was formed under the Climate Change Act 2008.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -emissions

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -emergency

Hitting net zero carbon emissions by 2025 would require a complete overhaul of the way we are organised as a society in just six years – fundamentally changing everything from transport to domestic and industrial energy systems, food production to overall levels of consumption. The UK government has set a target of net zero by 2050. Labour backed a much more ambitious target of 2030 at its recent party conference.

What action should the public be taking that a) you consider appropruate and b) will ensure governments respond and wake up to the problem? The climate change protest movement is hardly new. I even went on a large peaceful protest myself 13 years ago.

I'm not here to change the world...There isn't a big enough soiled nappy bin...

Is the video allowed to answer that or no?

Moral incoherence in the given context involved climate change advocates being hypocritical. Such as the call to use more plant based foods rather than eating meat at a fast food chain ~ which one of the teenagers said he was not prepared to give up doing for the environment, as therefore sets a poor motivational example and validates for some a dismissive rhetorical attitude of why bother or take it seriously if he won't.

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That is the sort of answer which doesn't surprise me, simply based on our history.
Does: "slippery as an eel",
Mean anything to you?

One difficulty with carbon taxation is that the fossil fuel corporations just 'up' their prices and continue doing business as usual, which currently includes lobbying against and dodging taxation given that free market capitalists have been somewhat more into corporate greed than actually recognizing species wide ecological necessity. Another difficulty presently with the free market capitalist system ~ is that it involves less regulation in the pursuit of profit rather than appropriate regulation for sociological and ecological prosperity.

Ah, you were assuming it would be a video you'd disagree with! I have no clue TBH whether that's true, I'm not sure you do either.

We might also have different strategies about videos though. If someone posts a video in my thread and I can't be arsed to watch it I just don't comment on it because if it doesn't catch my interest enough then the post didn't either.

The first time (well the only time) I watched the video in its entirety I had a problem with its presentation.
I found it a little confusing and it grated on me somewhat.
I wanted clarity from you since it was assumed you would have presented something which you understood.

Apart from having limited time, there is also the problem of having limited psychological energy, something I suspect most on the spectrum are familiar with.
In addition, you and I have very different philosophies, interests and styles of thought.

On my side, I find your manner quite foreign to me, making it harder to remain on the same page, hence the need to ask for clarification.

The REAL Reason Extinction Rebellion Protests

The past seven days have been International Rebellion Week, and Extinction Rebellion activists have been protesting all week long. But who are these people really? And why do they actually protest?

<chuckle>
That is the sort of answer which doesn't surprise me, simply based on our history.
Does: "slippery as an eel",
Mean anything to you?

Deepthought 7 gave a good reply but we have yet to comfirm if this is what you were referring to:


I think we should upgrade "Deepthought 7" to "Deepthought 8".
What do ya say?

BTW, why do you have problems with simple questions intending to clarify?
I get the impression you are saying: Work it out yourself, you lazy bastard.

You are missing the point.
I am showing respect by engaging with your post and simply want to confirm we are on the same page.

So we are on the same wavelength, could you explain why you responded the way you did to my request?
Deepthought 8, I mean 7, presumably had no problem with my inquiry.

Humans Will Be Extinct In 100 Years Says eminent scientist

(PhysOrg.com) -- Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Fenner, who is emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, said homo sapiens will not be able to survive the population explosion and “unbridled consumption,” and will become extinct, perhaps within a century, along with many other species. United Nations official figures from last year estimate the human population is 6.8 billion, and is predicted to pass seven billion next year.

Fenner told The Australian he tries not to express his pessimism because people are trying to do something, but keep putting it off. He said he believes the situation is irreversible, and it is too late because the effects we have had on Earth since industrialization (a period now known to scientists unofficially as the Anthropocene) rivals any effects of ice ages or comet impacts.

Fenner said that climate change is only at its beginning, but is likely to be the cause of our extinction. “We’ll undergo the same fate as the people on Easter Island,” he said. More people means fewer resources, and Fenner predicts “there will be a lot more wars over food.”

Easter Island is famous for its massive stone statues. Polynesian people settled there, in what was then a pristine tropical island, around the middle of the first millennium AD. The population grew slowly at first and then exploded. As the population grew the forests were wiped out and all the tree animals became extinct, both with devastating consequences. After about 1600 the civilization began to collapse, and had virtually disappeared by the mid-19th century. Evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond said the parallels between what happened on Easter Island and what is occurring today on the planet as a whole are “chillingly obvious.”

While many scientists are also pessimistic, others are more optimistic. Among the latter is a colleague of Professor Fenner, retired professor Stephen Boyden, who said he still hopes awareness of the problems will rise and the required revolutionary changes will be made to achieve ecological sustainability. “While there's a glimmer of hope, it's worth working to solve the problem. We have the scientific knowledge to do it but we don't have the political will,” Boyden said.

Fenner, 95, is the author or co-author of 22 books and 290 scientific papers and book chapters. His announcement in 1980 to the World Health Assembly that smallpox had been eradicated is still seen as one of the World Health Organisation’s greatest achievements. He has also been heavily involved in controlling Australia’s feral rabbit population with the myxomatosis virus.

Professor Fenner has had a lifetime interest in the environment, and from 1973 to 1979 was Director of the Centre for Resource and Environmental Studies at ANU. He is currently a visiting fellow at the John Curtin School of Medical Research at the university, and is a patron of Sustainable Population Australia. He has won numerous awards including the ANZAC Peace Prize, the WHO Medal, and the Albert Einstein World Award of Science. He was awarded an MBE for his work on control of malaria in New Guinea during the Second World War, in which Fenner served in the Royal Australian Army Medical Corps.

https://phys.org/news/2010-06-humans-extinct-years-eminent-scientist.html

THE EXTINCTION CRISIS

It's frightening but true: Our planet is now in the midst of its sixth mass extinction of plants and animals — the sixth wave of extinctions in the past half-billion years. We're currently experiencing the worst spate of species die-offs since the loss of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Although extinction is a natural phenomenon, it occurs at a natural “background” rate of about one to five species per year. Scientists estimate we're now losing species at up to 1,000 times the background rate, with literally dozens going extinct every day [1]. It could be a scary future indeed, with as many as 30 to 50 percent of all species possibly heading toward extinction by mid-century [2].

[1] 1. Chivian, E. and A. Bernstein (eds.) 2008. Sustaining life: How human health depends on biodiversity. Center for Health and the Global Environment. Oxford University Press, New York.

[2] 2. Ibid. and Thomas, C. D., A. Cameron, R. E. Green, M. Bakkenes, L. J. Beaumont, Y. C. Collingham, B. F. N. Erasmus, M. Ferreira de Siqueira, A. Grainger, Lee Hannah, L. Hughes, Brian Huntley, A. S. van Jaarsveld, G. F. Midgley, L. Miles, M. A. Ortega-Huerta, A. Townsend Peterson, O. L. Phillips, and S. E. Williams. 2004. Extinction risk from climate change. Nature 427: 145–148.

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

Hi mate,
Read my signature:

I.E. I am not interested in being part of reform.

Rather, I am: "The Oracle of Truth".
I focus on exposing/sharing "the Truth".
It is a full-time job.
Saving the world is SEP (Someone Else's Problem).

I see. You want to expose the truth but won't respond to my questions.

Apart from having limited time, there is also the problem of having limited psychological energy, something I suspect most on the spectrum are familiar with.

I very much support extinction rebellion...hell yeah, keep demonstrating....Go extinction rebellion! keep it up.