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AngelRho
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25 Oct 2019, 5:06 pm

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You know just because you cannot prove something exists (yet) doesn't mean it does not exist.

Any true scientist knows that.


The proof is in the pudding,
And yes, pudding exists. :mrgreen:

Matie,
God gave us the neocortex,
And with it, the ability to reason.
Using this gift, a rational person has the ability to reason that in all probability, god does not exist.
In essence, he/she snookered himself/herself into non-existence.
I.E. He/she engaged in existential suicide.
Silly duffer. :mrgreen:

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Since everything you claim to know has to be taken on faith anyway, why not take the next logical step by reconciling with God?


We've been over this. One can't reconcile with what doesn't exist. :wink:

Exactly. And since God exists, you can.


God does exist,
In your mind. :wink:

"God did not make man,
Man made god in his own image." 8)

Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?



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25 Oct 2019, 5:36 pm

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He makes an excellent point, but I don’t think theism or atheism are ever really about evidence.


Correct. Outside of revelation, which is to be treated with skepticism, it's a choice made from a position of no knowledge. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.


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25 Oct 2019, 11:21 pm

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How can one be a practicing Jew and an atheist?

I can see atheism in one who is a secular Jew, one who is only “culturally” Jewish.

But the Jewish religion involves the worship of Yahweh, a God.


there’s no need to explain my religion to me, especially if you haven’t done any research about it. judaism isn’t dogmatic like christianity is.



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26 Oct 2019, 3:38 pm

I was just asking a question.....



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26 Oct 2019, 3:41 pm

I believe in nothing

Not even Atheism. :twisted:



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26 Oct 2019, 6:24 pm

I am a Jew. I am a secular Jew. I know that practicing Jews worship Yahweh. Most are not “dogmatic,” like you say. They are mellow in their faith.

My stepmother is also Jewish. My father wasn’t, though. She goes to a very “Reformed” temple. She believes in God, but doesn’t mind it that I don’t.

There is a strong emphasis on “Baruch Atah Adonai, Ellaheinu Mella Cholom” within the Shabbat Service. That phrase is used in many prayers. It has to do with extolling God.



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26 Oct 2019, 6:35 pm

My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).



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26 Oct 2019, 6:36 pm

My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.



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26 Oct 2019, 6:41 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).


I thought you said you don't believe in atheism?



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26 Oct 2019, 6:44 pm

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My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).


I thought you said you don't believe in atheism?



It was a joke. I'm not religous, but I dont rule out the existance of things just because there is no proof.



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26 Oct 2019, 6:46 pm

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My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.

My stepdad's family were fourth or fifth generation Jews converted to Baptists. I guess my Mom's family... we are just heathens. :P



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26 Oct 2019, 8:50 pm

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Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Quote:
certainty
noun: certainty

firm conviction that something is the case.
"she knew with absolute certainty that they were dead"

Similar:
confidence
sureness
positiveness
conviction
certitude
reliability
assuredness
assurance
validity
conclusiveness
authoritativeness
truth
fact
factualness
h
Opposite:
uncertainty
doubt
the quality of being reliably true.
"there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in the law"
a general air of confidence.
"a man exuding certainty"


I have used anthropological studies, my understanding of human psychology, engaged in simple reasoning, but most importantly, I employed metacognition/life experience.

If you are a believer at 41 years, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. <shrug>
Let us agree to disagree. :wink:

The only reason I am contributing to this thread is to sharpen my thinking about the subject.



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26 Oct 2019, 8:54 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).

Why don't you ask her what she believes in?

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It was a joke. I'm not religous, but I dont rule out the existance of things just because there is no proof.

You don't need proof to govern your life.
In the absence of proof, "reason" is king. :wink:

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My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.

So why did you choose Judaism over Catholicism?



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26 Oct 2019, 11:07 pm

I’m a secular Jew who is an atheist.

I feel a sort of cultural identification with my mother’s side of the family.



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27 Oct 2019, 10:42 am

Pepe wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Quote:
certainty
noun: certainty

firm conviction that something is the case.
"she knew with absolute certainty that they were dead"

Similar:
confidence
sureness
positiveness
conviction
certitude
reliability
assuredness
assurance
validity
conclusiveness
authoritativeness
truth
fact
factualness
h
Opposite:
uncertainty
doubt
the quality of being reliably true.
"there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in the law"
a general air of confidence.
"a man exuding certainty"


I have used anthropological studies,

From human sources?

Pepe wrote:
my understanding of human psychology,

How can you be sure your understanding of human psychology is sound?


Pepe wrote:
engaged in simple reasoning,

How do you know your mind is sufficiently capable of even simple reasoning?

Pepe wrote:
but most importantly, I employed metacognition/life experience.

And? "Experience," sometimes referred to as "anecdotal evidence," is generally not accepted as reliable.

Pepe wrote:
If you are a believer at 41 years, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. <shrug>
Let us agree to disagree. :wink:

Suit yourself. "Agreeing" for the sake of agreeing isn't my style.

Pepe wrote:
The only reason I am contributing to this thread is to sharpen my thinking about the subject.

Is that actually working?



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27 Oct 2019, 12:12 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Pepe wrote:
engaged in simple reasoning,

How do you know your mind is sufficiently capable of even simple reasoning?





That's skating rather close to the edge. Are you implying member is not capable of reasoning?

Please - play the ball not the man!


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