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12 Nov 2019, 8:22 am

High costs of living and housing in large parts of the country--and nothing being done about it.


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12 Nov 2019, 10:54 am

^ probably this most of all.


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12 Nov 2019, 11:23 am

For a while we even had a political party in the US named "The The Rent is Too Damned High Party".



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12 Nov 2019, 11:44 am

We also had a party known as the "Know-Nothings" back in the 19th century.

Trump would have been a banner candidate for them.....



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12 Nov 2019, 12:16 pm

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Saddam was removed on a pack of lies because neocons wanted him gone. He was zero threat to the US. It's not about guessing, you don't just drop nukes on cities on a hunch.

So what aim of the Neocons was satisfied by Saddam's removal? The (probably predictable) result was a regional power shift in favor of Iran. Is that what they wanted? Why?


To weaken the country by splitting it up and causing sectarian in fighting. They don't care about any future implications beyond getting what they want. They are psychopaths. Demonic.


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12 Nov 2019, 12:18 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
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one nuke was necessary, two was too much (IIRC the japanese government was already moving to surrender before the second bomb dropped)


B.S. They had agreed to surrender before the first bomb.



How? Where's the document? I would like to read it. Can you tell me where it's located? It's part of history, it should be available to the public.


Go to the war memorial at Hiroshima.


Are you fekkin kidding me? Where in the US can I view these documents?

You go to Palestine, join the rebels and report back.


General Douglas MacArthur

"The Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed]that Japan surrender unconditionally or face ‘prompt and utter destruction.’ MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign. Had the General’s advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary."

All the US had to do was allow the Emperor to stay on as token figure and Japan would have surrendered. As that was the deal after the bombs anyway. The dropping of the bombs was unnecessary and indefensible.



Well, Saddam was toppled from power because letting him stay would have meant the same Iraq. So, my guess is that in Truman's eyes, the same Emperor would have meant the same Japan. And the general was not the President...

I don't think people much care what either one of us think. We are not in power.


Saddam was removed on a pack of lies because neocons wanted him gone. He was zero threat to the US. It's not about guessing, you don't just drop nukes on cities on a hunch.



Everything is always a lie, isn't it?


Pretty much when it comes to Western wars and foreign policy.


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12 Nov 2019, 12:50 pm

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High costs of living and housing in large parts of the country--and nothing being done about it.

Over regulation by government drives the cost of homes up. And I'm not referring to building codes.

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Several recent studies have documented how increased regulatory and permitting costs affect prices. A report by John Burns Real Estate Consulting in Irvine, Calif., concluded that new homes have become “permanently more expensive to build” because of increased regulations.

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He now itemizes the regulatory costs so buyers can see firsthand why the price tags for his houses are so high. Among recent charges he has outlined: $8,000 for a new type of storm-water capture device required for each house, $3,500 for customized architectural plans required on every lot and about $15,000 to remove a tree from the property.

The city also has a strict tree-preservation ordinance with penalties of up to $60,000 an acre for illegally clearing trees on lots. Mr. McConnell recently spent an extra three months redesigning a home to both build the stormwater system and avoid a $15,000 charge for taking down two large oak trees on a property.



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“It requires these complex site plans not for life safety issues, but so they can control whether or not the house is too tall, whether it has the right look, or if the tree can be saved,” he said.
“impact fees” charged to builders and developers to pay for services such as roads, sewers and parks have climbed 45% since 2005 to an average of $21,000 per home across 37 major markets.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulatory-costs-inflate-new-home-prices-builders-say-1469209864

You want to do something about it?
Vote Republican.



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12 Nov 2019, 1:09 pm

Shrapnel wrote:
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High costs of living and housing in large parts of the country--and nothing being done about it.

Over regulation by government drives the cost of homes up. And I'm not referring to building codes.

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Several recent studies have documented how increased regulatory and permitting costs affect prices. A report by John Burns Real Estate Consulting in Irvine, Calif., concluded that new homes have become “permanently more expensive to build” because of increased regulations.

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He now itemizes the regulatory costs so buyers can see firsthand why the price tags for his houses are so high. Among recent charges he has outlined: $8,000 for a new type of storm-water capture device required for each house, $3,500 for customized architectural plans required on every lot and about $15,000 to remove a tree from the property.

The city also has a strict tree-preservation ordinance with penalties of up to $60,000 an acre for illegally clearing trees on lots. Mr. McConnell recently spent an extra three months redesigning a home to both build the stormwater system and avoid a $15,000 charge for taking down two large oak trees on a property.



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“It requires these complex site plans not for life safety issues, but so they can control whether or not the house is too tall, whether it has the right look, or if the tree can be saved,” he said.
“impact fees” charged to builders and developers to pay for services such as roads, sewers and parks have climbed 45% since 2005 to an average of $21,000 per home across 37 major markets.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulatory-costs-inflate-new-home-prices-builders-say-1469209864

You want to do something about it?
Vote Republican.


The places that are very affordable are in the Deep South or the Heartland, where every other building is a church, and there are no gay bars, marijuana dispensaries, or abortion clinics. There is no red state where marijuana or public nudity are legal, and the Southern states (plus Utah and Idaho) are trying to bring back Prohibition.


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12 Nov 2019, 7:47 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
one nuke was necessary, two was too much (IIRC the japanese government was already moving to surrender before the second bomb dropped)


B.S. They had agreed to surrender before the first bomb.



How? Where's the document? I would like to read it. Can you tell me where it's located? It's part of history, it should be available to the public.


Go to the war memorial at Hiroshima.


Are you fekkin kidding me? Where in the US can I view these documents?

You go to Palestine, join the rebels and report back.


General Douglas MacArthur

"The Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed]that Japan surrender unconditionally or face ‘prompt and utter destruction.’ MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign. Had the General’s advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary."

All the US had to do was allow the Emperor to stay on as token figure and Japan would have surrendered. As that was the deal after the bombs anyway. The dropping of the bombs was unnecessary and indefensible.



Well, Saddam was toppled from power because letting him stay would have meant the same Iraq. So, my guess is that in Truman's eyes, the same Emperor would have meant the same Japan. And the general was not the President...

I don't think people much care what either one of us think. We are not in power.


Saddam was removed on a pack of lies because neocons wanted him gone. He was zero threat to the US. It's not about guessing, you don't just drop nukes on cities on a hunch.



Everything is always a lie, isn't it?


Pretty much when it comes to Western wars and foreign policy.



You forgot to include yourself.


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12 Nov 2019, 7:54 pm

Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.



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12 Nov 2019, 8:33 pm

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Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.

Prohibition wouldn't pass anywhere in America, conservatives like to drink too.

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12 Nov 2019, 8:39 pm

Shrapnel wrote:
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Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.

Prohibition wouldn't pass anywhere in America, conservatives like to drink too.

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"Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems." ~ Homer Simpson


But I'd wager quite a few conservatives would vote for anti-sodomy laws in order to restrain their own secret godless, man loving lust.


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12 Nov 2019, 10:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.

Prohibition wouldn't pass anywhere in America, conservatives like to drink too.

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"Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems." ~ Homer Simpson


But I'd wager quite a few conservatives would vote for anti-sodomy laws in order to restrain their own secret godless, man loving lust.


I don't know why that would need a vote. s**t and sex should not be synonymous for either orientation, it exposes all involved to bacteria. But, whatever floats a boat.


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13 Nov 2019, 12:23 am

Persephone29 wrote:
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Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.

Prohibition wouldn't pass anywhere in America, conservatives like to drink too.

Quote:
"Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems." ~ Homer Simpson


But I'd wager quite a few conservatives would vote for anti-sodomy laws in order to restrain their own secret godless, man loving lust.


I don't know why that would need a vote. s**t and sex should not be synonymous for either orientation, it exposes all involved to bacteria. But, whatever floats a boat.


Because red states are notorious for trying to overturn LGBT gains in civil rights. And because those conservatives of gay or bisexual orientation have been induced to hating themselves and their sexuality by party and church, they often are the most vocal in demanding that anyone not straight be discriminated against, as they themselves hide in the closet. Hence the demand to vote on people's private lives.


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13 Nov 2019, 1:26 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
Prohibition wouldn’t pass in Utah.

Too many liberals in Salt Lake County.

Prohibition wouldn't pass anywhere in America, conservatives like to drink too.

Quote:
"Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems." ~ Homer Simpson


But I'd wager quite a few conservatives would vote for anti-sodomy laws in order to restrain their own secret godless, man loving lust.


I don't know why that would need a vote. s**t and sex should not be synonymous for either orientation, it exposes all involved to bacteria. But, whatever floats a boat.


Because red states are notorious for trying to overturn LGBT gains in civil rights. And because those conservatives of gay or bisexual orientation have been induced to hating themselves and their sexuality by party and church, they often are the most vocal in demanding that anyone not straight be discriminated against, as they themselves hide in the closet. Hence the demand to vote on people's private lives.



Well, just do an inservice on bacterial UTI's in men and women, show pictures of rectums with HPV. Rectal gonorrhea, Hep C, HIV 1, rectal fissures, etc... And that ought to be enough to have both sexual orientations swear off rectal sex. Not to mention eventual incontinence and rectal prolapse... What people do in the confines of their own bedrooms is none of my beeswax. What marches into the STI or infectious disease section of the local health department, or CDC should be everybody's concern. It always finds a way outside the circles it began in because people are amoral. That's why HIV1 became an everyone virus. Gay men on the DL bringing it home to wives who get pregnant and pass it to children, people of both sexes and sexual orientations sharing needles. The timeline of the HIV1 epidemic is fascinating, but scary.

Whatever anyone is, it's their business. But in my opinion and professional experience, rectal sex should be avoided. Even with strict use of condoms, there will eventually be structural breakdown.


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