Why the Left Loses elections

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12 Jan 2020, 10:15 pm

to paraphrase Dave Berry, most folks recognize that most democrats are basically nicer people than most GOPers, but unfortunately, most democrats seem to have the management skills of celery. think of GOPer Lucy always snatching the ball at the last minute, from democrat Charlie Brown. democrats just can't seem to learn any street smarts in dealing with the other party of sociopathic schemers.

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12 Jan 2020, 10:20 pm

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Yep. When they get into the habit of thinking their opponents are a lot of uneducated hicks, it makes it a lot easier for their opponents to outsmart them.

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12 Jan 2020, 11:25 pm

By all rights, a toothless back 'holler' ret*d like me ought to be pretty bad off being as my husband and I voted for the orange man. But, it just doesn't seem to be working out that way. We seem to be doing pretty well, while the godless left is screaming!

It never ceases to amaze me how a bunch of beggars find themselves to be so superior. I need, I want, gimme ~ and oh, btw, I'm way smarter than you. :roll:

* I will always add my disclaimer. I have no problem with the young, the old, the veteran or the card carrying disabled getting help. My sentiments are saved for the self-diagnosed disabled who cannot seem to get the authorities to agree with them.

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13 Jan 2020, 12:59 am

Magna wrote:

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Magna wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

In the US, "the left" has an odd philosophy.

They think government is better at postal work, medical care, education, managing jails …

However, not at car making, house making, restaurants …

This is confusing logic.

Why is government good at some industries, and not good at other industries?

If "the left" thinks that government does a good job at postal work, medical care, education, they're wrong.

The postal service hemorrhages money. I read just today that a leader of a postal union said something like (paraphrasing): "The USPS isn't a private company. It's not supposed to make money. The public doesn't understand this." The error in his statement? It's not supposed to hemorrhage money either. It should come as close as possible to breaking even.

Medical care? The fraud and abuse in Medicare is epic and has been for years. The Affordable Care Act has been very bad for anyone who isn't on medical assistance. Premiums have skyrocketed, health insurance companies have stopped offering insurance in entire states. Choices have decreased. "Keep your plan, keep your doctor." False in both cases for many Americans.

Public education? Compare US test scores to other countries in the world today vs. say, 30-40 years ago which was prior to the government being as involved in education. Are test scores better for the U.S. or worse?

I'll throw in another thing regarding government bureaucracy in general; the inefficiency is pathetic. In relation to work that I did at a job I had some years back, the company I worked for had a tax related question. We contacted the IRS to ask the question to ensure we were in compliance. Literally two years later, an IRS rep contacted us to say they would look into our question, but if they did, the ramifications would be negative for the business so they were giving us the opportunity to withdraw our question and allow them to close the file. Pathetic.

When I was working for a metal shop years back, the lady who ran the shipping department said the USPS was far more reliable and efficient than any of its privately owned competitors.
Most people couldn't begin paying for private schools, and home schooling has fallen into the hands of kooks and loons.
Other industrialized countries have no trouble with universal government ran healthcare.

I agree that you used to be able to "set your watch" by the reliability of the USPS years ago. It's changed. It's reliability has gone down. I know this because I'm involved in a business that requires the use of it more than any other means of hard copy document delivery. The amount of time that a letter takes to get from A to B today fluctuates. In the past it used to be the same time always.

I live near a small city of close to 100,000 population. Up until approximately five years ago, the main post office there postmarked the mail. Mail that was mailed and delivered within the same town never left. Why would it need to? Now, that main post office still exists, but ALL mail mailed in that town is transported 300 miles round trip to a metropolitan post office to be postmarked. Inefficient and wasteful. A letter mailed to a recipient who lives across town travels 300 miles now before it gets there.

Regarding government run healthcare, here's what I hear:

Many people wax on at how amazingly wonderful government healthcare like the NHS in the UK is. Why do people complain about long waits for services, ridiculously long waits? Why does it take 18 months or longer for someone to get an autism assessment, for example? That's crap. That's not great. That's not exemplary. That's deficient.

Even if government run services, such as the USPS, aren't perfect, how is privatization supposed to make things better?
Long waits for medical care still beats no medical care.

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13 Jan 2020, 4:37 am

I wonder whether my father would have so quickly got his recent hernia op if he hadn't had his £55K/$71K p.a pension

The greatest barrier re the USA changing its healthcare system , to one more like many West European countries , is a pathological fear that rampant socialism will take hold .

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13 Jan 2020, 5:29 am

firemonkey wrote:

I wonder whether my father would have so quickly got his recent hernia op if he hadn't had his £55K/$71K p.a pension The greatest barrier re the USA changing its healthcare system , to one more like many West European countries , is a pathological fear that rampant socialism will take hold .

magas just don't want POC getting any of the bennies they get. they believe in maintaining this amuuurica system of artificial scarcity, to stick it to those they don't like. the poor are amuuuurica's national scapegoat and they can never be punished enough.

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13 Jan 2020, 5:42 am

The main reason the NHS is struggling is serious staff shortage. And let's be clear, it's not because the money isn't there to fill the positions, these are vacant positions. You could have a perfect system, but it wouldn't matter if you didn't have the people to run it. Would America be able to switch to an NHS system without such a shortage?

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13 Jan 2020, 5:52 am

we have an artificial shortage of primary care doctors, courtesy of the AMA [the main obstacle for reform along with all of higher education] for decades now, pushing for limits to matriculants into med school. plus our criminal racket of an educational system here makes med school unreachable for those not at least in the upper middle class. a possible solution for the doctor shortage is to make the AMA, medical insurance corporations and hospital corporations step aside [or sick the antitrust attorneys on them] if they won't help, then change the law to make most education conditionally financed, meaning admissions to med school and residencies are contingent on signing a contract to agree to public service for so many years. the insurance companies/hospital corporations will finally behave decently only if/when they are read the riot act.

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13 Jan 2020, 6:13 am

firemonkey wrote:

The fear is justified.

Look at the UK.

Employment income is taxed at 40% starting at a mere £50,000[ ($65,000)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_ ... ed_Kingdom

Likely, they're many other UK taxes like property tax, use tax, VAT tax, national Insurance "tax"

This is demoralizing. Likely, this causes many workers seek to "live off the system", rather than work hard.

Put in overtime? NO WAY.

Do extra work for a BONUS? NO WAY.

Pursue additional education? NO WAY.

Enhance my skills? NO WAY.

Do the least amount of work? YES, PLEASE.

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13 Jan 2020, 7:17 am

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Live on "the dole" = YES? Is that what it's referred to?

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13 Jan 2020, 7:40 am

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So, indentured servitude?

THIS is a prime example of why I will never support universal healthcare. I don't see how anyone so advanced could be for slavery. The public health departments do a version of this for their ARNPs, or they used to. And they all run like hell as soon as their time is up.

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13 Jan 2020, 7:42 am

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The fear isn't far off subclinical paranoia . The USA would not became a socialist dominated country through a change to its health system .

The UK has still remained a predominantly conservative , with a small c , country despite having the NHS for over 70 years .

It of course suits people of a dubious morality to spread the false rumour that the USA would become a socialist country if its health system was changed .

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13 Jan 2020, 8:23 am

Magna wrote:

Live on "the dole" = YES? Is that what it's referred to?

Yes.

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13 Jan 2020, 8:26 am

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I don't know anything about The Guardian. I don't think it's an online satire pseudo news site like The Onion is where they purposely fabricate fake stories to appear to be factual:

NHS rationing putting hernia patients' lives at risk, say surgeons

I had a hernia surgery earlier this year. The surgery took place less than four weeks after my consult with the surgeon which took less than two weeks after meeting with my General Practitioner who recommended I have the surgery. The cost of the surgery was part of my health insurance deductible so I paid a fraction of the overall cost of the surgery.

Healthcare rationing isn't a good thing.

I noticed some good UK jobs come with "private health insurance"

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/211480 ... ng-Manager

What can you look forward to?
Above market Salary - £75,000 + 35% Bonus
Flexible Working
Pension
Private Medical Insurance
Life Insurance and Income Protection
Training and development
Holiday allowance 26 days plus 8 bank holidays
Leeds city centre office location
Team social events and Office Snacks
+ Many more

Why would anyone *Look Forward to* private health insurance, when they have the NHS?

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13 Jan 2020, 2:43 pm

FletcherArrow wrote:

Magna wrote:

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Well, private industry has made a mess of hospitals, privately owned prisons and charter schools.

The idea that for profit corporations can fairly and justly run prisons, hospitals or schools is idiocy.

Exactly.

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13 Jan 2020, 5:01 pm

Magna wrote:

Many people wax on at how amazingly wonderful government healthcare like the NHS in the UK is. Why do people complain about long waits for services, ridiculously long waits? Why does it take 18 months or longer for someone to get an autism assessment, for example? That's crap. That's not great. That's not exemplary. That's deficient.

Silly Brits. They could cut their waiting time I'm half if they just excluded half their population.

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