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Out of the remaining candidates, which would you prefer to win the Democratic nomination?
Joe Biden 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Bernie Sanders 33%  33%  [ 14 ]
Elizabeth Warren 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Pete Buttigieg 16%  16%  [ 7 ]
Michael Bloomberg 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Andrew Yang 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Amy Klobuchar 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Tom Steyer 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Tulsi Gabbard 14%  14%  [ 6 ]
Michael Bennet 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Deval Patrick 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 43

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11 Feb 2020, 12:31 pm

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^ well said.

I’d also like to add that in the UK there is a very wide diversity of ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds amongst a multiplicity of migrant communities: different communities settling in different areas of the country.

‘Immigrants’ as a term papers over those differences and allows, for instance, third generation Muslim citizens concerned about their safety visa viz: Eastern European conservative Christians to vote in alignment with ethnically native far-right islamophones. It’s an inherently disingenuous term that can be interpreted a hundred different ways when applied to the concrete reality of the world we live in.


But when Muslim, Jewish and Christian parents rightly protest about their children being forced to absorb insane 'sex education' they are suddenly labelled "transphobic" by liberals. Mass immigration has been a disaster.


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11 Feb 2020, 12:41 pm

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Biden with his latest 'Misfit', Has proven Himself as Having a Lack of Emotional Maturity.

So …. who gets your vote??


In my previous comment, i said that my wife and i, will vote
for 'Pete' in the Primaries; and Likely Sanders who will actually
likely win the Nomination for the General Election. Statistically
Speaking, at this Point now, the Odds are also in Sander's Favor
to win the General Election; but of course depending on how the Electoral votes play out.
i fully explained in my previous comment how i came to this Decision; i don't base my decisions
just on 'Tribal Allegiances'. i don't fit into any 'one Tribe'; and that's the way i like it; A Tribe of ONE (ALL).


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11 Feb 2020, 2:01 pm

aghogday wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Biden with his latest 'Misfit', Has proven Himself as Having a Lack of Emotional Maturity.

So …. who gets your vote??


In my previous comment, i said that my wife and i, will vote
for 'Pete' in the Primaries; and Likely Sanders who will actually
likely win the Nomination for the General Election. Statistically
Speaking, at this Point now, the Odds are also in Sander's Favor
to win the General Election; but of course depending on how the Electoral votes play out.
i fully explained in my previous comment how i came to this Decision; i don't base my decisions
just on 'Tribal Allegiances'. i don't fit into any 'one Tribe'; and that's the way i like it; A Tribe of ONE (ALL).

I hope Sanders wins too.

Trump allies are rooting for Sanders too.

"Still, Trump's allies say they see the prospect of a face-off with Sanders as so appealing that they have been making moves to help boost his primary season support. The best scenario for Trump, they say, would be if the Democratic contest continued all the way to the convention, with Sanders battling a candidate backed by the establishment wing of the party"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... e-n1133276


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11 Feb 2020, 2:51 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
aghogday wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Biden with his latest 'Misfit', Has proven Himself as Having a Lack of Emotional Maturity.

So …. who gets your vote??


In my previous comment, i said that my wife and i, will vote
for 'Pete' in the Primaries; and Likely Sanders who will actually
likely win the Nomination for the General Election. Statistically
Speaking, at this Point now, the Odds are also in Sander's Favor
to win the General Election; but of course depending on how the Electoral votes play out.
i fully explained in my previous comment how i came to this Decision; i don't base my decisions
just on 'Tribal Allegiances'. i don't fit into any 'one Tribe'; and that's the way i like it; A Tribe of ONE (ALL).

I hope Sanders wins too.

Trump allies are rooting for Sanders too.

"Still, Trump's allies say they see the prospect of a face-off with Sanders as so appealing that they have been making moves to help boost his primary season support. The best scenario for Trump, they say, would be if the Democratic contest continued all the way to the convention, with Sanders battling a candidate backed by the establishment wing of the party"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... e-n1133276


Sanders Excites Younger Generations with His Progressive ideas.
If He can excite them enough to get out to vote; He has the edge over Trump.
His Supporters are non-wavering, similar to Trump's Core Supporters too; Although,
Biden Still leads in National Polls over Sanders, Biden is making too many 'Trump-like' Mistakes;
As just a metaphor, Biden is a bit Like Stale Bread as far as 'Political Sex Appeal'; Over the Top works better than that..;)


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11 Feb 2020, 7:36 pm

This sums up my feelings exactly:



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12 Feb 2020, 5:19 am

I'm sad that Yang never really had a chance.



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12 Feb 2020, 6:50 am

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I'm sad that Yang never really had a chance.


To be sure, he seemed to be unhindered by the delusional narcissism other billionaires are afflicted with after years of being told by sycophants how right they always are, or how great they are. That includes Trump, who isn't really a billionaire but plays one on TV.


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12 Feb 2020, 7:33 am

If Bernie does win the nomination that will be an unprecedented turning point for the Democratic Party and one the party didn't plan on or seemingly doesn't want. What will the many democrats in the "fly over" states feel if the party does in fact veer socialist?



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12 Feb 2020, 9:12 am

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If Bernie does win the nomination that will be an unprecedented turning point for the Democratic Party and one the party didn't plan on or seemingly doesn't want. What will the many democrats in the "fly over" states feel if the party does in fact veer socialist?

Due to memories of the cold it is age more then geography that determines now one views socialism.

They will feel old, out of touch and certain the ultimate nightmare of Trump’s re-election is a sure thing.


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12 Feb 2020, 10:14 am

What’s Really Ironic About Bernie’s Version of Democratic Socialism Is, He’s Not Sending anyone to Hell
For Not Supporting Free Universal Health Care and College Education For the Least of Us; For In the Revelation
Version of Jesus, ‘he’ Would Simply Tell the ‘Rich Man’ and those Who Support ‘Him’ that the Gate to Heaven Is Narrow;
‘As You Treat the Least, You Treat me’, which Means, if you don’t Provide Health Care And Educate the Poor;
Truly and Clearly those Who do not, Who call themselves Christians; well, ‘JeSuS’ Doesn’t know Them, which
considering ‘they’ Believe ‘He’ is the Truth, the Light, and still the only way to Heaven; through ‘Their’
Snubbing of the Less Fortunate who Jesus calls Himself; Yep, They just bought Themselves a one way
Ticket to the other place Of 'Gnashing Teeth', at least For ‘those’ who literally Believe 'Revelation' is
Gospel Literal truth too;

And Voting for ‘A Father of All Lies’, Just fulfills The “Prophecy”; it shouldn’t Take a “Rocket Scientist”
to See the Irony and Hypocrisy that hasn’t changed in 2000 Years as ‘those Beatitudes’ Continue to be
Crucified by The ‘New Republicans Leaders’; But of Course ‘Trump’ Wrote Revelation too; as if “You Love
Your Enemy and Turn the other Cheek” and in turn send them to Hell For their Transgressions; Guess what;
that makes ‘Him’ The Progenitor of a Gaslit Reality too; it’s like Third Grade Ethics On Valentine’s Day That
some Folks Never Learn; just Love and Take Care of the Person Sitting next to you; Sure, send them A Valentine’s
Gift of College Education and Health Care; HeART all Your Fellow Students Before your Heart dies and Stink Stank
Stunk ‘Trump’ Rules Your Soul;

Oh Lord oF LiGHT, if the Revelation version Of Jesus comes back, oh no For ‘Those Christians’; But Honestly,
‘where i live’, i See the Gnashing of Teeth Whether ‘they’ see ‘Where i Live or not’; for you 'see', “The Story”
Is Just a Metaphor; but never The Less, Still carries the Key to Heaven Now; or not For those who Fail to see
the Essence Of the story of Hope and Love unconditionally Giving
Sharing With the Lesser to Sprout Heaven’s Wings now.
Bernie is A Very Zealous Human Being; he’s like the
Spitting Image of a Money Table Turning Version of
Jesus In The ‘Republican Temple‘ of Tax Cuts for
The Rich; At 78 Years old; there
Ain’t Much doubt he ‘knows’
‘Jesus’; hopefully ‘his’
Millions won’t get
In his way
Either..;)


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12 Feb 2020, 11:13 am

A problem many have with Sanders is they think he is too old.
A problem many have with Buttigieg is they think he is too young.



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12 Feb 2020, 12:59 pm

Who pays for all the free stuff?



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12 Feb 2020, 1:07 pm

All the wealthy democrats of course. They will gladly cover it.



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12 Feb 2020, 1:08 pm

Roboto wrote:
Who pays for all the free stuff?


From the experience of being British:

• The taxpayers.
• It’s cheaper per unit output that way.
• A lot of them still object.
• They also object if standards are lowered to balance tax cuts.

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12 Feb 2020, 1:51 pm

^^
Yeah, as difficult and practically politically impossible to do it;
If somehow in a 'snowball chance in hell'; Americans could come to
a consensus decision that would allow Free College Education and Health Care
For all; Now. i 'Just wonder' what the Average Upper Middle Class Family who no longer
has to pay 30,000 Dollars a year for Health Insurance or Pay at Least 100,000 Dollars and
So Much more for their Children's College Education would do with the rest of that Money; for sure, not
unlike close to the Trillion Dollar Cost of the Current Safety Net the United States Provides; Obviously, put it back in
the Economy, for a win-win overall; Not that it would be good for Nature overall; but Consuming would go way up as anyone with Common Sense who understands the Human Animal Intuits/knows from observing this Animal for a while now.

"The US Census Bureau dropped its annual load of statistics on American poverty and income, and the data shows Americans weren’t much better off in 2018 than they were a year earlier.

On the upside: 2.3 million more people snagged full-time jobs and the official poverty rate fell half a percentage point.

On the downside: Fewer people have health insurance and women earned about 82 cents for every dollar a man earned. Middle-class incomes hardly budged.

But one of the most interesting data points released each year shows the massive economic impact that federal “entitlement” programs, such as food stamps and housing subsidies, have on low-wage workers."

"During President Donald Trump’s second year in office, income from these safety net programs directly kept 47.7 million people out of poverty. That’s 2.8 million more people compared to 2017. So far, Trump and congressional Republicans have been unable to gut spending on the safety net programs, facing resistance from Democrats whose votes they needed to pass a budget deal."

It's true the Unemployment rate is Low now; but if not for the Social Net; so many of those workers would be living
in Poverty with or without a Job. The Retail Industry, where Social Safety Nets catch Single Mothers who work
in the Retail Industry, as those jobs comprise 82 Percent Female Participation, stands to Lose A Third of a
Billion Jobs Globe-Wide to Automation in this Current Decade by 2030; where 14 Percent of the total Global
Work-Force Will Have to Find somewhere else to work.

It Just goes to show; if you don't Look deeper the Entire Ship may Sink.

And again, considering that Science Shows the Average Human Being Now
is diluted with the Attention Span of Less than a Literal Gold Fish; all the Distractions
That Technology overall Brings now; all the glitz and dopamine-lit screens all that's really left is 'Twitter Breaths',
overall, to even
get to
the Surface of the Ocean.
When no one's Paying attention;
Those who are truly become more successful.

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/10/20858828/ ... safety-net

https://time.com/5779879/retail-worker-jobs/


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12 Feb 2020, 3:30 pm

Roboto wrote:
Who pays for all the free stuff?

Regarding health care, Bernie Sanders wants to make *poor people* pay for it.

He wants to take away the FREE health care they get now, and make them pay for his health care.


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