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29 May 2020, 3:19 pm

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If you consider every day habits as rituals, that is not the usual meaning of the word. Ritual: a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.

I may brush my teeth every morning, but that does not make it a ritual. :-)


I think there are different degrees of ritual. Obviously, brushing teeth and the rites of something like Divine Liturgy or Mass would be of radically different degrees but I think many of those on the spectrum tend to make ordinary things more ritualized than most NTs do.


Aha! You did reply to me although tangentially through another person's message. Is this the beginning of negotiations between New Ager and Roman Catholic?

Anyway, my thought is brushing teeth does possess a degree of power, in the case of one who brushes in the morning, wakefulness. Morning rituals prepare me in every way for work, the nightly rituals, for bed, the spiritual rituals, for clean living and purer thought.

In some Catholic Spiritual practices such as St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way, Opus Dei, and I think to some degree, the Benedictine practice of Ora et Labora, you can actually offer up little everyday rituals like brushing your teeth as a form of prayer. I practice St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way and try to offer up everyday rituals like doing the dishes and vacuuming, unfortunately I not the best at it, I often let my mind wonder or forget to offer it up altogether.


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29 May 2020, 4:20 pm

I got this question in mind;

For most of my life, I've been surrounded by various beliefs and believers.
Heck, the majority system here is Catholic mixed with some form of animism -- known believers and met practitioners of various forms.

Then for most of my whole life, these things are just... Meaningless.
While I can channel my own heart and I do have a concept of what is sacred, something made the whole thing before me meaningless.

For most of my life, prayers are just blank weird words, various rituals are just some formality or practice without much function other than familiarity or cultural... Etc.
I've seen no real reason to 'believe', so I'd just do so as if this is just more of my cultural observation than one of the participants. I'm more of someone who accommodates beliefs than a part of it.

Whenever I go to the church, the first thing comes to mind is noises and words I don't understand.

Then, just last year, for some reasons I don't understand other than dumb luck, I had this spiritual awakening so powerful, I'd bet it's the kind that can drive people crazy and obsessive.
It felt really good. And things made a lot of sense.
The words made sense -- I thought it was just my poor verbal abilities that just couldn't pass the literal contexts. But at certain states, there are contexts laying over contexts.
It's where I suddenly understood a lot of things -- the rituals, the virtues, life and death and beyond, and heck lot of paradoxes... Concepts that I cannot put it to words.


Something changed. I've changed a bit too fast, but I would deal with it.
For most of my life, I see no reason to believe.
Now, I don't have to believe.



The question is, where did this sudden growth and comprehension come from?
I've asked someone who seem to known a lot of these things, and told me the typical age is around 7-12 of age.

Was my emotional maturity so delayed? The papers suggests, my memories and accounts so said so.
Was I emotionally injured or corrupted at some way? I've been always prideful my whole life from what I can recall with one of my earliest memories -- where it came from, I'm not sure.
Was I 'lacking certain prerequisites for certain disciplines' (it could be TOM) or just flat out inattentive (it could be processing issues) or outright blind until now that I kept missing a lot of 'lessons' when others can see and appreciate it?


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29 May 2020, 5:23 pm

^ I don’t believe that transformative experiences are limited or predictable by age. What you describe sounds less to me than a 12 year olds understanding of Christianity and more like the experience of Paul on the road to Damascus.


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29 May 2020, 6:05 pm

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^ I don’t believe that transformative experiences are limited or predictable by age. What you describe sounds less to me than a 12 year olds understanding of Christianity and more like the experience of Paul on the road to Damascus.

On which stage a typical 12 year olds have that I don't?
Does it something to do with conforming? Following words to the letter and accepting it as such no matter how overwhelmingly suffocating and nonsensical? :?

The question I asked was for a perspective of an NT, with presumptions of most NT terms, and got answers that follows NT-cultural collectivistic contexts...
Maybe the typical concepts of right and wrong, that mixes up with what to and not to believe. While I have the former, the latter doesn't seem natural.

Does that equally mean transformative experiences don't require the technical pursuits of religious literature, symbols and rituals?
If so, then maybe it solves a part of it.



Something I've noticed long time ago;
And something I've recently noticed made it notable.
As if.. I've skipped something -- I keep skipping something. And now torn in between.
What exactly kept me 'down'? Or should I even perceive it that way?
As I've searched the reference;
Quote:
"No fall so deep that grace cannot descend to it"

That seems to make sense.

Before, I thought the first parts in the Bible are just..
Metaphors that says the world was created in a very short period of time, man created first, and woman violated some rule, and banishing the entire human race -- in which probably came from ancient contexts that I had no idea what it represents.

But now... I interpreted it as some sad story of being one with God and then separation happened.


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30 May 2020, 4:06 pm

Greatshield17 wrote:
Gentleman Argentum wrote:
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blazingstar wrote:
If you consider every day habits as rituals, that is not the usual meaning of the word. Ritual: a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.

I may brush my teeth every morning, but that does not make it a ritual. :-)


I think there are different degrees of ritual. Obviously, brushing teeth and the rites of something like Divine Liturgy or Mass would be of radically different degrees but I think many of those on the spectrum tend to make ordinary things more ritualized than most NTs do.


Aha! You did reply to me although tangentially through another person's message. Is this the beginning of negotiations between New Ager and Roman Catholic?

Anyway, my thought is brushing teeth does possess a degree of power, in the case of one who brushes in the morning, wakefulness. Morning rituals prepare me in every way for work, the nightly rituals, for bed, the spiritual rituals, for clean living and purer thought.

In some Catholic Spiritual practices such as St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way, Opus Dei, and I think to some degree, the Benedictine practice of Ora et Labora, you can actually offer up little everyday rituals like brushing your teeth as a form of prayer. I practice St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way and try to offer up everyday rituals like doing the dishes and vacuuming, unfortunately I not the best at it, I often let my mind wonder or forget to offer it up altogether.


That is practical. Sometimes we have so much work on our hands it is just not feasible to carve out chunks of time for nonproductive ritual, but housework and hygiene serve dual purposes. One popular practice among magicians is showering in order to cleanse the mind of impure thoughts and negativity as well as the body. Tyson and Kraig recommend bathing or showering before rituals in order to increase the sanctity and purity.


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30 May 2020, 4:18 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
^ I don’t believe that transformative experiences are limited or predictable by age. What you describe sounds less to me than a 12 year olds understanding of Christianity and more like the experience of Paul on the road to Damascus.

On which stage a typical 12 year olds have that I don't?
Does it something to do with conforming? Following words to the letter and accepting it as such no matter how overwhelmingly suffocating and nonsensical? :?

The question I asked was for a perspective of an NT, with presumptions of most NT terms, and got answers that follows NT-cultural collectivistic contexts...
Maybe the typical concepts of right and wrong, that mixes up with what to and not to believe. While I have the former, the latter doesn't seem natural.

Does that equally mean transformative experiences don't require the technical pursuits of religious literature, symbols and rituals?
If so, then maybe it solves a part of it.



Something I've noticed long time ago;
And something I've recently noticed made it notable.
As if.. I've skipped something -- I keep skipping something. And now torn in between.
What exactly kept me 'down'? Or should I even perceive it that way?
As I've searched the reference;
Quote:
"No fall so deep that grace cannot descend to it"

That seems to make sense.

Before, I thought the first parts in the Bible are just..
Metaphors that says the world was created in a very short period of time, man created first, and woman violated some rule, and banishing the entire human race -- in which probably came from ancient contexts that I had no idea what it represents.

But now... I interpreted it as some sad story of being one with God and then separation happened.


Church & the Bible used to be obstacles for me, because men used them to promote this or that agenda in history and in the present. So I was atheist for a long time, before the Spirit found me in the darkness. They can be useful tools, but it is possible to set these things aside and form a direct relationship.


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30 May 2020, 5:55 pm

Gentleman Argentum wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
^ I don’t believe that transformative experiences are limited or predictable by age. What you describe sounds less to me than a 12 year olds understanding of Christianity and more like the experience of Paul on the road to Damascus.

On which stage a typical 12 year olds have that I don't?
Does it something to do with conforming? Following words to the letter and accepting it as such no matter how overwhelmingly suffocating and nonsensical? :?

The question I asked was for a perspective of an NT, with presumptions of most NT terms, and got answers that follows NT-cultural collectivistic contexts...
Maybe the typical concepts of right and wrong, that mixes up with what to and not to believe. While I have the former, the latter doesn't seem natural.

Does that equally mean transformative experiences don't require the technical pursuits of religious literature, symbols and rituals?
If so, then maybe it solves a part of it.



Something I've noticed long time ago;
And something I've recently noticed made it notable.
As if.. I've skipped something -- I keep skipping something. And now torn in between.
What exactly kept me 'down'? Or should I even perceive it that way?
As I've searched the reference;
Quote:
"No fall so deep that grace cannot descend to it"

That seems to make sense.

Before, I thought the first parts in the Bible are just..
Metaphors that says the world was created in a very short period of time, man created first, and woman violated some rule, and banishing the entire human race -- in which probably came from ancient contexts that I had no idea what it represents.

But now... I interpreted it as some sad story of being one with God and then separation happened.


Church & the Bible used to be obstacles for me, because men used them to promote this or that agenda in history and in the present. So I was atheist for a long time, before the Spirit found me in the darkness. They can be useful tools, but it is possible to set these things aside and form a direct relationship.

I don't think it's possible to set any religious text or tradition aside, as you'll need to know whom you're communicating with and how best to speak with that person or entity; as well as look things up when you come across something uncertain.



Even if you go full Shaman or Animist, (I won't bother telling you what my thoughts are on that are, because as a Catholic I assume you already know what they are) you'd arguably still have a tradition of sorts as you'll be forming it yourself as you keep track of what's happening.


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31 May 2020, 11:44 am

[quote="Edna3362"]

Does that equally mean transformative experiences don't require the technical pursuits of religious literature, symbols and rituals?
If so, then maybe it solves a part of it. [quote]

Yes. Trans-formative experiences do not require following the tenets of any particular religion or ritual. However, following a specific religion or ritual does not preclude trans-formative experiences.


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Greatshield17 wrote:
I don't think it's possible to set any religious text or tradition aside, as you'll need to know whom you're communicating with and how best to speak with that person or entity; as well as look things up when you come across something uncertain.



Even if you go full Shaman or Animist, (I won't bother telling you what my thoughts are on that are, because as a Catholic I assume you already know what they are) you'd arguably still have a tradition of sorts as you'll be forming it yourself as you keep track of what's happening.


No, I'm familiar with Christianity and retain its forms, images, and hierarchy. I'm too old to start afresh with something brand-new, it would not have near the potency. I listen to Christian rock, Gregorian Chant, and have the cross on the wall in my living room, a tasteful plain cross without the statue of Jesus. I always found the sight of the crucifixtion a bit unsettling, it is enough to know and accept the sacrifice without seeing the body all the time.

What I meant by setting the books aside is, having learnt that stuff already in my younger days, I set it aside, it is thrice-farmed soil. Let it lay fallow, I am starting my own book. I know there are Christians that spend all their days studying one book, it just was not meant for me, maybe they find it helpful though. To each his own. My way certainly ain't everybody's :lol:


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12 Jun 2020, 7:36 pm

Greatshield17 wrote:
In some Catholic Spiritual practices such as St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way, Opus Dei, and I think to some degree, the Benedictine practice of Ora et Labora, you can actually offer up little everyday rituals like brushing your teeth as a form of prayer. I practice St. Therese of Lisieux's Little Way and try to offer up everyday rituals like doing the dishes and vacuuming, unfortunately I not the best at it, I often let my mind wonder or forget to offer it up altogether.


This is a wonderful practice. Some offer all of them up together at the beginning of the day.

Sorry, I haven't been on WP for a bit so I'm replying now to a few posts.


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Gentleman Argentum wrote:
Church & the Bible used to be obstacles for me, because men used them to promote this or that agenda in history and in the present. So I was atheist for a long time, before the Spirit found me in the darkness. They can be useful tools, but it is possible to set these things aside and form a direct relationship.


I want to apologize for those who have misused the Bible an the Church. I hope they can be a movement for change now and you'll give Catholicism a chance.


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Gentleman Argentum wrote:
Church & the Bible used to be obstacles for me, because men used them to promote this or that agenda in history and in the present. So I was atheist for a long time, before the Spirit found me in the darkness. They can be useful tools, but it is possible to set these things aside and form a direct relationship.


I want to apologize for those who have misused the Bible an the Church. I hope they can be a movement for change now and you'll give Catholicism a chance.


I have been to mass before, it is different now with the contemporary service as an alternative or addition to the traditional. I like both ways, actually and appreciate church of all kinds more than I used to. When you believe and go to church, of course it is a lot more fun. To me the symbols I see all have meaning. Really magic is being practiced in all of the churches I have been to, whether the worshippers know it or not, there is a power in their rituals. I think some of them know it and that is why they go, they know they are getting something out of the transaction.

No matter the church, and I have been to several, whether Unitarian Universalist, Episcopalian or Roman Catholic, there is always a middle-aged to elderly woman that keeps an eye out for the newcomer and talks to him, asks questions and encourages him to keep attending. This figure may even be more important in function than anyone else including the priest and choir, but is on a volunteer basis. I think they do it simply because they know they are good at it. I just thought I'd mention that observation of a key similiarity between a quite liberal and a conservative congregation.


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True, Church Rituals are just another same Flavor
of MagicK; The Stories Indeed We Co-Create For Binds
of Bonds to keep the Social Groups in Friendly Order and of
Course on the Same Sheet of Choir Music to keep the Social Order inTact.
Religion in Essence
Is That Who/Which does
Just This; Bonding Human
Social Groups for Order Out of
Chaos in Binds to Make Society Work for at
Least Survival; And Even Thrive With a Drum
Beat Naked Dance of Freedom Around Campfire
Lights WHere MooN iLLuMiNaTeS OuR 'CHiLD iMaGiNaTionS'
Even More For Co-Creativity to Thrive And Not Just Survive;
Therefore,
All Art
As Manifest
of Human Souls
Creating ToGeTHeR;
And Sure Solo too as
Original Art may Come
Higher Out of Group Think
Forms; Bonds and Binds, yes far away
from what is Viewed as Closer As Traditional
Religion Now; Therefore, New Testaments; Yes,
of Art Now That Free Our Souls More Liberally
In SPiRiT oF Naked Freedom; Anyone who has
Read the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, Who sees
the Hidden Meanings within no Different really
Than the Beatles and a "Song For Mr Kite"; Second to none, Yes
Just another challenge to BRinG MoRE Art of Human Creativity Alive
For God Eyes Who See MoRE iN All of US PeRHaPS one Day; Dogma
has its
Place Now
As Routine
For Survival Base;
But Art; Yes, Original
Art is New and never
Confining to this or that
Cover of Books in Human
ArtS old to confine God in PriSon
of Past is indeed Tradition that brings
Meaning and Purpose to those who will still
FeeL iT Fresh in Spirit Higher; but when it is only
A Short Trip up to get to Communion and a Fast
Trip Out the BackDoor; indeed that's what it is Just
Another
Trip
out
the
Back Door;
i Suppose THere
IS A MoRE Beautiful
Place of Art; Both Within
And Without All the Dogma
of Before as Birds With Wings
Will Dance And Sing More Free;
Smiles; as 'they Dance' As 'they Sing'
Second to None is all New Creativity, NeW TesTaMeNTS ALL
NoW Springing Art to God Eyes Us or Just Play iT AGaiN SaM...
Smile, i never get tired of Catholic Church as Evernote NoW of
Every Song i Dance And Sing is NeW ALWaYS Art of God RiSinG
Within to see more...
And Sure
HeaR
too;
Just the
Fumes of
My HeaVeN WiTHiN;
Now Indeed A Place oF LiGHT
With Colors only to Fathom more...
Meanwhile, folks Sit and Wait For 'God IT';
YeS, A Dirt Nap God And Heaven ELSEWHeRE;
Meanwhile, God Breathes Free WiTHiN NeW NoW FoR ReaL;
Dances And Sings; so You Will See, Even FeeL IT A Bit More OF Real
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Tree
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For Those Who Still Feel
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But For Those
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True, Church Rituals are just another same Flavor
of MagicK; The Stories Indeed We Co-Create For Binds
of Bonds to keep the Social Groups in Friendly Order and of
Course on the Same Sheet of Choir Music to keep the Social Order inTact.
Religion in Essence
Is That Who/Which does
Just This; Bonding Human
Social Groups for Order Out of
Chaos in Binds to Make Society Work for at
Least Survival; And Even Thrive With a Drum
Beat Naked Dance of Freedom Around Campfire


I read some of that, but not all, the formatting is a bit too outré for me. Maybe if one is used to a steady diet of modern poetry all that is O.K., but I like old-fashioned prose format. Also, the capitalization seems too promiscuous, and the sentences seem to go on forever like Henry James. Also I am not really sure what you are saying. This might be more of a case of posting poetry, there is another forum for that. :lol: but hey whatever man it's all good.


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No matter the church, and I have been to several, whether Unitarian Universalist, Episcopalian or Roman Catholic, there is always a middle-aged to elderly woman that keeps an eye out for the newcomer and talks to him, asks questions and encourages him to keep attending. This figure may even be more important in function than anyone else including the priest and choir, but is on a volunteer basis. I think they do it simply because they know they are good at it. I just thought I'd mention that observation of a key similiarity between a quite liberal and a conservative congregation.


This is my mom, although now she's getting a little past middle aged and my sister is taking over... Right now, it's pretty much whichever one of them isn't watching the little kids.


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Gentleman Argentum wrote:
aghogday wrote:


True, Church Rituals are just another same Flavor
of MagicK; The Stories Indeed We Co-Create For Binds
of Bonds to keep the Social Groups in Friendly Order and of
Course on the Same Sheet of Choir Music to keep the Social Order inTact.
Religion in Essence
Is That Who/Which does
Just This; Bonding Human
Social Groups for Order Out of
Chaos in Binds to Make Society Work for at
Least Survival; And Even Thrive With a Drum
Beat Naked Dance of Freedom Around Campfire


I read some of that, but not all, the formatting is a bit too outré for me. Maybe if one is used to a steady diet of modern poetry all that is O.K., but I like old-fashioned prose format. Also, the capitalization seems too promiscuous, and the sentences seem to go on forever like Henry James. Also I am not really sure what you are saying. This might be more of a case of posting poetry, there is another forum for that. :lol: but hey whatever man it's all good.


Smiles; Poetry in Free Verse is an Original Dance And Song of All Human
Religion, Politics, And Philosophy as that Pertains to Original Creativity
And Moving Out of Caves; Smiles Again; 'This' isn't a Place for Any of Those Three;
Original in Creativity at Least
As Most of Humanity
Has Devolved into
the Tools They Create
for Creature Comforts;
i must giggle a bit at the
Adherence of Human Nature toward
Old Cave Stories; like this Morning as i am
Attending a Ritual at Catholic Church; Where 'Story'
Is So Powerful they Literally Believe they are going to
Transform a Wafer of Bread into a Five Foot or so, One Hundred
And Ten Pounds or So, Weathered Short Brown Haired, Brown Eyed,
Semite Dude; and if it wasn't for the Covid19 'Disorder', they Literally
Believe they can and will Change Wine Into 'His' Blood; but you see that's
Not the Most Unbelievable Part; they actually Look Forward to Cannibalizing
The Little Brown Dude From Galilee as the Main And Most Important Event of
Worshipping
A Dead Man
On A Cross;
Also Affirming
Our Unworthiness
of Humanity's Breath Free;
You've Suggested You've been
to Mass so you've seen this 'Pagan
Ritual' away from Nature of Breathing
LiFE Free NoW True;
If it wasn't
for Love
the
Entire
Event would
be a Worthless 'Pagan' event;
And Really that's what 'the Little
Brown Man from Galilee' was trying to get ACross
AS A MeSSaGE In The First And Only Place of Love.
Smiles, Friend; trust me, i come here only for Dark Muse;
This all goes somewhere much Deeper than the Shallow of here;
And this is one of Hundreds of places around the Globe i visit
as well for both Dark and Light Muse; Just for this Hobby of Mine True.
When it comes
to Human
CuLTuRE
Anything
and Everything
Comes and Goes
In Lies gone with the wind.....
For Me i make it Heaven Now.
It's a Choice Most folks Make Where i live too; yet
Somewhere 'tween Purgatory and Hell after a Dirt Nap;
i stopped writing to Ignorance so many Years ago.... 'only one' option 'left' to 'go' right...
i realize this is too much for most folks to consume but understand i never wanna be
reduced
to a Bite of
Bread and Sip of wine..;)


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