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30 Jul 2020, 8:12 am

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What religions accept people with Asperger's Syndrome?
All of them ... as long as none of the other members ever find out you have Asperger's Syndrome, of course.  If they do, you will either become an object of pity, or you will be avoided because of your "sin" of having AS.  Either way, you will be treated much the same as you were in high school, except that no one is likely to give you a swirly between classes.
False. Christian churches do not see Aspergers or Autism as a sin.
False.  "Christian" churches might not officially see disabilities as sin; but unofficially, many "Christians" (including church officials) still hold fast to the belief that illnesses, injuries, and disabilities are either sins or afflicted by G^D as signs of sinful nature in the life of the persons (or the persons' parents) so afflicted.  "Christians" are not perfect, nor does claiming to be a "Christian" mean you can do nothing wrong.  It only means that you profess faith in the Christ as your Lord and Savior -- nothing more.
You are stereotyping.
Not at all.  All that I have posted in this thread so far are based on either my own experiences, my own observations, what I have been taught in Seminary, or some combination thereof.  Nothing more.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:14 am

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If you have money, they'll all accept you. Especially Scientology.
In every stereotype, there is a percentage of truth.  I think the percentage of truth in this stereotype is somewhere north of 99%.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:34 am

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I remember reading how some think autism is demonic possession.

Autistic Boy Dies During Exorcism at church (Faith Temple Church of the Apostolic Faith)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/autistic-b ... -exorcism/

Danish religious group claims autism is caused by demons.
https://www.thelocal.com/20160506/cult- ... s-in-spain

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And yet, some people would still deny that their particular religion is anything other than all-loving, all-welcoming, all-inclusive, and that it treats all of its members and visitors as nothing less than G^D's own children.

:roll: Wake up and smell the corruption, people!


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30 Jul 2020, 8:36 am

Both the apostle Paul (or Saulus) and the Prophet Mohamed were epileptic's and they started the worlds two most populous religions.Why wouldn't you be accepted?

Like I said earlier,I feel a person with your deep interest should consult a spiritual advisor in person,whatever your comfortable with,Priest,Rabbi whatever.If you call such a person on the phone I'm sure they will talk with you and can give you better answers than we can.


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30 Jul 2020, 9:11 am

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Both the apostle Paul (or Saulus) and the Prophet Mohamed were epileptic's and they started the worlds two most populous religions.Why wouldn't you be accepted?
Because (1) most people see only the "good" those two accomplished while they were still alive, while a person living today is under constant observation and judgement by people who consider themselves more "righteous" than anyone else; and (2) many people -- especially "religious" people -- seem to believe some or all of the following stereotypes:

• Autism is caused by ancestral sin.
• Autism is caused by bad parenting.
• Autism is caused by demon possession.
• People with autism are emotionless sociopaths.
• People with autism are intellectually disabled.
• People with autism are just like Dustin Hoffman's character in 'Rain Man'.
• People with autism are just like Earnest Borgnine's character in 'Of Mice & Men'.
• People with autism are just like Jeffrey Dahmer.
• People with autism are just like Sheldon Cooper.
• People with autism are obsessed with sex.
• People with autism aren't really people.
• People with autism can't understand the emotions of others.
• People with autism go on shooting sprees.
• People with autism like to torture small animals.
• People with autism play with fire and like to burn down buildings.
• People with autism play with and eat their own feces.
• People with autism wet the bed and soil themselves regularly.
• People with autism will 'explode' into violence without warning.
• People with autism will steal anything that is not locked up or nailed down.

And some people wonder why I never want to "come out" as an aspie.


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30 Jul 2020, 9:17 am

I'm Episcopalian, so I guess that? :|



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30 Jul 2020, 9:22 am

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I'm Episcopalian, so I guess that?
What?

Remember, "many" is not "all" -- not every "Christian" is ignorant of autism, it just seems that way when those ignorant people dominate conversations on autism and the people who have it.

That list of stereotypes I posted ... those are only the ones that don't violate The Rules here.


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30 Jul 2020, 11:10 am

Most religions I suppose, aside from "super race" Nazi Occultism perhaps. Stay away from neo-Nazis and you should be good.


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30 Jul 2020, 11:35 am

most religions want converts. In theory they dont even reject you even for sin. They want you to join so you can be redemed for you sins. You can be demonically possessed ...that wouldnt be your fault. All the more reason to join - so you can be excorcised.

But in practice there are things some religions would make life so difficult for you about that for practical purpose it would be rejection. For example you cant be an open and practicing homosexual in many religions.

But aspergers is not like homosexuality in that way.

I cant imagine why any faith would reject YOU for being aspie. A better question would be "what religion should an aspie accept?" The answer to that is simple. It depends upon the aspie.

On the whole aspies may just fit in better in some sects more than others. But even that depends upon the aspie. A few years ago it seemed like everyone on the site was either a militant atheist or a young young Earth Creationist Evangelical Protestant. And, oddly enough, both of those seemingly opposite extremes fit the stereotype of aspies being sticklers for accuracy and detail:atheists with scientific evidence, and Fundies with the written word of scripture.

In contrast more emotion based sects, like the Pentacostals, might be scary for aspies. But then every aspie is different. If you're an aspie with tics and stims you might fit right into a holy roller service in which every talks in tongues and rolls around on the floor. :D



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30 Jul 2020, 11:43 am



Interesting; Mileage Varies According to Human
Make and Model; There are Nice And Mean Folks Wherever We Go.

At Church, Many folks Don't acknowledge me;
They Are Busy; They Are in a World of Hurry/Worry;
They are Not like Me as Free As Waves on an Ocean 'Seeing Ocean Whole'...

My Experience is; When they get to know me; as i am
Patient enough to allow them to do that; No matter
How much they Live in Worry/Hurry; And i LiVE in 'Greater Loving Peace:

My Experience as i feel no need/fear to Hide the Fact that i was
A Non-Verbal Child, Until 4 With Autism, and for All Observable
Way of Folks Seeing me once they get to know me; Basically, they
Want me to talk to Their Relatives With Autism As They Feel Like from
Getting to know me deeper than Just the 'Dancing Guy of the Village'
That i have found ways to Defeat all the Negative Reciprocal Social
Communication Difficulties, hehe; Except, Perhaps, for Providing
An Oral Dissertation on whatever Topic, i happen to be Interested in.

The Priest, And Some of the Deacons, Present many more Difficulties
With the Condition of Autism Than i do; And that's for sure; verily so
Easy to see as even My Psychotherapist claims i am have developed Expertise
in understanding the Condition now as the Broader Autism Phenotype extends
out into the Population at Around 15 Percent, According to Simon Baron Cohen
as Far As Social Empathic Functional Disabilities Versus Greater Systemizing Skills.

Other than the Magical Thinking, Where Schizotypal Personality Difficulties are studied
to be Highly Co-Morbid With Autism Spectrum Disorder; With the Magic Wafer of Bread,
Supposedly that Literally changes into the Body of A Dead Man From 2000 Or so years
ago; the Man Illiterate, who never wrote a word down of his Life Experiences according
to Biblical Scholarly Reports; The Structure of the Catholic Church is a Labyrinth
of Systemizing Rituals, Rigid that rarely change that surely lend a Home
For Systemizing Minds/'Souls'; minus any Social Empathic Skills that are
really even required in reading-off the 'Bible Manual' and the Instruction
Sheets and Following Suit in Kneel, Stand, And Sit Down and
Do it Again in Precise Order. The Priest Gave my Mother
the Last Rites; the dedicated Catholic She was then on
Her Death Bed; Then, He Lost his place in the Instruction
Manual; as i went to School With Him; And His Mother
Soon to Be Facing the same place mine was that gave
Him Some Obvious Distress as Yes, i went to School
With Him, close to the Same age; Without the Instruction
Manual he was Lost; didn't have a thing
to say; and then he found the Page;
And Resumed the same
Instruction again;

i used to be the same
way, until i rolled away 'the stone'..

Anyway, Catholic Church is Mostly
Ritual; with Social Interaction coming in
Last place beyond the structured Routine;
It's easy for a Person on the Autism Spectrum
still to 'Get Lost' in Catholic Church; But as far
As Rolling Away any Inner stones; Not as effective
for that as the Very Nature of the Church is Set in Stone;
Recognizing here that the Op made his decision away from 'Churches' but this
Actual Topic is one that a lot of folks have to deal with continuing in life... 'Autistic
Priests' do fit in;
But the Rational
Ones without so
Much of the 'Wafer"
'Magical Thinking'
Don't usually stay;
My Asperger's Syndrome
Came From My Grandfather's
Side, An Irish Priest; No Diagnosis
then but he was surely described
Then on a Broader Autism Phenotype
As all Systemizing with 'Few Colors of Butterfly Wings'
Out of the 'Stone Cocoon'; Just never actually rolling the stones away...
But Anyway, Fortunately For me; He didn't buy all the "Magical Thinking"
Leaving a
Church
Not
Recognizing
Basic Human
Nature, giving
me a chance to Live;
As Leaving the Church
Was Definitely a Pro-Life
Answer for him and me and Others too..:)

i Find the Church Rather AMusing; except
The Nature of Supporting A Real 'Father oF all
LieS' in Politics who is directly responsible now
for Many Deaths through Psychopathic Leaning
Intention is of the 'Same Color' my Grandfather
Authored as a noted Author of Last Century then
With His 'Behind the Dictators' Book About How the
Catholic Church didn't Move Against the Dictators last
Century and Supported them more instead; basically, that's
Still Happening Now; But of course, effectively at this Point; 'We'
are Just living in 'Germany' Again; And the 'Silent Majority' is too nice
to point
out
where
we are
living,
overall; Yet,
Protests, Now are
Finally Happening
Among the Silent Majority;
As 'They' Came for the Hispanic
Folks, And the Muslim Folks, the Transgender Folks and
The Black Folks, Etc.; And 'They' Are determined not to be next....

There is No Way Trump Could Have 'Come to
Rule Now' Without Using The 'Christian Church'
As Ammunition of Fear And Hate for His Demagoguery...

No Difference Really, still, in Church and State, in Actual Political Effects...

Yet As The Walls of Brick And Mortar Churches Continue to Crumble More 'Rational Minds' Will Rule...

Meh; My Trump Town
Is too Dammed Sleepy
to Give me Any Real Problems;
And Church is Peaceful, if you
Don't Mind Sitting Next to 'Stones';
Generally Speaking, they have no way to move to harm me..:)

The Southern Baptist GospeLists Have A 'Chosen Aire',
if you don't fit in; you just don't get to fit in; It's really
More like a 'Church of Gossip' than any 'Good Gospel'...

Okay to Visit,
Occasionally;
But i won't take
all the Sending
'Different than them' Folks Going
to Hell; as i'll Make some trouble;
No Use in Stirring a Pot in Hell; when
one will do it just as effectively Out of 'Hell'...

Perhaps, A Reason the Folks at the
Catholic Church Are Accommodating
Enough, Is the Pews Are Growing More Grey and Empty...

That's Happening at all Churches; And Even Other 'Religious
Temples'; as the 'Church Under Whole Human Milky Ways' Is Available NoW ONLiNE Free..:)


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30 Jul 2020, 11:49 am

The first time I saw a Southern Baptist revival it shocked me, I almost started laughing.They were hollering ,waving their arms around ,jumping around,crying ,and yelling they were saved.I wondered , “From what?”
Although I wouldn’t mind seeing serpents handled in church. :D
Then If they found out you were sprinkled and not baptized by immersion they started in that you were going to hell to fry. :roll:
If they thought you had an illness they might try to lay hands on you and start praying, just what someone on the spectrum would hate.A whole pack of people touching you.No thanks.


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30 Jul 2020, 11:53 am

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most religions want converts. In theory they dont even reject you even for sin. They want you to join so you can be redemed for you sins. You can be demonically possessed ...that wouldnt be your fault. All the more reason to join - so you can be excorcised.

But in practice there are things some religions would make life so difficult for you about that for practical purpose it would be rejection. For example you cant be an open and practicing homosexual in many religions.

But aspergers is not like homosexuality in that way.

I cant imagine why any faith would reject YOU for being aspie. A better question would be "what religion should an aspie accept?" The answer to that is simple. It depends upon the aspie.

On the whole aspies may just fit in better in some sects more than others. But even that depends upon the aspie. A few years ago it seemed like everyone on the site was either a militant atheist or a young young Earth Creationist Evangelical Protestant. And, oddly enough, both of those seemingly opposite extremes fit the stereotype of aspies being sticklers for accuracy and detail:atheists with scientific evidence, and Fundies with the written word of scripture.

In contrast more emotion based sects, like the Pentacostals, might be scary for aspies. But then every aspie is different. If you're an aspie with tics and stims you might fit right into a holy roller service in which every talks in tongues and rolls around on the floor. :D


Most religions don't actually seek converts. The ones I can think of historically have been Islam and Christianity, and also Buddhism. More recently Baha'i and scientology.

(OP, whatever you do, don't become a Scientologist.)


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30 Jul 2020, 12:43 pm

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30 Jul 2020, 5:50 pm

Most religions are not ableist against those on the spectrum or ableist in general.
If their followers are: it is more of a reflection of ableism in a society as a whole, and a lack of public understanding of psychology.
The ableism comes first, then people with ir/religious worldviews will rationalize it within that worldview.

God doesn't have anything against us for being weird. That's some petty human hang-up.

Of course, if it's scientology we're talking about, then the conversation becomes:
"You must be inadequate?? Something is wrong with your thetans??? Give us more money and we'll help you stop being such a worthless sack of sh*t?? Spiritual microtransactions????"
Seriously, stay AWAY from scientology. They openly claim all psychology is junk science.


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31 Jul 2020, 5:23 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
most religions want converts. In theory they dont even reject you even for sin. They want you to join so you can be redemed for you sins. You can be demonically possessed ...that wouldnt be your fault. All the more reason to join - so you can be excorcised.

But in practice there are things some religions would make life so difficult for you about that for practical purpose it would be rejection. For example you cant be an open and practicing homosexual in many religions.

But aspergers is not like homosexuality in that way.

I cant imagine why any faith would reject YOU for being aspie. A better question would be "what religion should an aspie accept?" The answer to that is simple. It depends upon the aspie.

On the whole aspies may just fit in better in some sects more than others. But even that depends upon the aspie. A few years ago it seemed like everyone on the site was either a militant atheist or a young young Earth Creationist Evangelical Protestant. And, oddly enough, both of those seemingly opposite extremes fit the stereotype of aspies being sticklers for accuracy and detail:atheists with scientific evidence, and Fundies with the written word of scripture.

In contrast more emotion based sects, like the Pentacostals, might be scary for aspies. But then every aspie is different. If you're an aspie with tics and stims you might fit right into a holy roller service in which every talks in tongues and rolls around on the floor. :D


Most religions don't actually seek converts. The ones I can think of historically have been Islam and Christianity, and also Buddhism. More recently Baha'i and scientology.

(OP, whatever you do, don't become a Scientologist.)


Christianity and Islam are the two most aggressively evangelical faiths. Other sects that spun off from those two are also that way:like Mormonism, and Jehevoah's Witnesses.But other religions are like baseball card collectors. They dont seek converts. But they dont refuse them either.