Arguments Against Women's Right to Vote.

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Book, Chapter, and Verse, please?Oh, but Jesus never spoke against slavery, and even the Apostle Paul sent a slave back to his master.  He also declared that women should not speak in church, and the Apostle Peter cited women as the "weaker vessel".

By the way, have you read the book of Joshua, lately?Mary did not come before G^D, who is both infinite and eternal, knowing no beginning and no end -- he was not born.   Jesus was born of mortal Mary, thus he was human.  The Holy Spirit entered into Jesus, thus making Him all human and all divine.  The Creator of a creation cannot be created by that creation.

That people pray to Mary, bow to images of Mary, and give offerings to those images of Mary are acts of worship and idolatry -- remember the First Commandment!

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I prefer the term in the orthodox tradition: “Theotokos”, literally bearer of God, which, when I argue with the Bible thumpers and the hellfire and brimstone set that also subscribe to the statement of faith known as the Athanasian creed, they don’t seem to have as much of an issue than they do with Mother of God.

In Catholic tradition in Poland, the term Bogurodzica - Slavic translation of Theotokos - is still in use, with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogurodzica hymn being the oldest surviving Polish language poetic text with a melody, still sung today.

Gonna Drop this Off From Some Verses that were kept Secure, Buried away from Any Potential Ghost Author,
Scribe, Or other Editing Mistake; or Intentional Revision for All the Centuries to
Come in the Gospel of Thomas; among Oldest And Untouched 'Virginal Writings'
Attributed to the Oral Tradition of Illiterate Aramaic Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas...

114) Simon Peter said to Him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are
not worthy of Life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make
her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you
males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven."

That Was the Last Verse of the 'Gospel of Thomas'
It is Rather Plain to See the Verse that Naturally comes Next
As John 14:12 Gives me Full Authority to Write it, if one considers
Biblical Instructions, Fact; as Written Still as Reported by John as
Well; Including 'God Is Love' as Love Requires Never Any Worship;
Never Any Fear of Criticism; As Love is Complete; Love is Fearless;
Love Always Seeks to Do Least Harm to All as Love All Both Snake
Head and
Tale Now
Eternally Now
Consuming
Snake as All;
THeRe IS A
Symbol Common
For That Already;
i will Include it in
the TheMe Song
Here to iLLuSTRaTE iT Again...

115) ' Mary' said to 'Her', "Let 'Peter Simon' leave us, for Men are
not worthy of Life." 'Fred' said, "Now Back to the Future Fast Forward , "I myself
shall lead Who So Ever 'He' is in order to make Him a WoMaN, so that 'He' too
may become a living spirit resembling you Women. For every 'Man' who will make
'Himself' WoMaN will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven."

This Idea of Balancing
The Anima with the
Animus to Become
A Total Foundation
of LoVE iN Grace
In Balance with
Strength and Will
Sprouting From the
Divine Feminine as Divine
Masculine; is surely nothing New,
as Again; As Above, So Below, Within,
Inside, Outside and All Around; All Men
Start Out As Women in the Womb Only
to Be 'Watered' As Male A Bit Later in the
Womb; and if Very Fortunate A Man
Becomes a WoMaN to Finally
Be A Fearless Loving
Dude Worth
A Grain
of Salt
As Love
That Breathes
For All Now With Least Harm
And Does More Than Talk Actually
BReaTHiNG This Love to Give and
Share For All Free With Least
Harm; SaMe as A Mother's
Love For A Child
Unconditionally
Indeed, Spreading
Out to All Existence
Real Truly A Force of
God Worthy of the Name Love Within For Real.

As Far As Biblical Law And Instruction Goes; This is Just gonna
Be Part of "Nether Land Bible" that i've Been Free Verse Long Form
Poem Writing Since Memorial Day Weekend of 2016; All 6 MiLLioN
Words by Labor Day 2020, Clearly Documented By the WordPress Word Counter Now
too; Every Word; Every Breath of Love; i too Create For Real through all the DarK and
LiGHT, i Encounter Around the Globe; so much Bigger than one Patch of Dirt in the Middle
East; And True, i Travel through Egypt too. Through Thousands of Folks Encountered i found
15 Woman, Mostly in India, Who Welcomed My Love into their Homes And Reciprocated That Back
As Love Regularly, Among Thousands of others i Read over 51 Months; True, i found One Man too, as well online
in a Place with No Stars, Moon, or Sun to Light the Day or Night With only Sunshine Within to Warm A World online.

In 'Trump Town USA', i had Evangelical Christians Telling me i was going to Hell for Writing A Bible as John 14:12
Effort Greater than 'Jesus' for a Re-Tirement Hobby as i sincerely Do See the Verb; The Force of LoVE ReaL as LiTeRaLLy
God; They even started to Yell to the Skies for God to Strike me Down with a Lightening Bolt; as a Scientist i
Couldn't Help but to Giggle inside, to the point, i almost peed myself; as a Lover of Love,
i understood
Where God
was/is me
Holding
Back Within
With Love
Trying my
Best Not to Laugh
At them in Front of their Face;
Instead, it was part of 'my Story' and still is
Now; Just the way i Love 'YouR' 'DarK Muse' today;
IT'S ALL 'God'; We Do the Best We Can And Will NoW
Or We Don't Continue Love For ALL FOR REAL or NOT.

Anyway, my Wife Katrina Wrote the Names Down on a Napkin
to Read to my Sister, Marie, as We Walked around our Neighborhood
Block Last Night; It's worth Noting, if it wasn't for Women Named Mary;
Jesus Would have
Stood alone
at the
Cross Per
Story; as in real
Life those Women were
the Only Ones Brave Enough
to Stand By Their Man through
Heaven And Hell; Same thing happened
to me in Hell for 66 Months Shut-in THere;
Marie, Helen My Mother, And my Wife; This
Is what Happens When You Meet Someone who Really
Loves You in Both Heaven And Hell; They Become Part of

YouR Book of Life Forever Now.

Got a 'Secret' for You;
that Should Be Plain
to See by Now;
JeSuS never
REALLY Came back
THeNoW to Life as Love
Among the Majority
of Christian 'Trump'
Voters in the United
States; In FAcT, Love All over the World
is all that Really Breathes Among Humans at all...

Days are Numbers...

Love is EternAlly Real
Now WiTHiN GoD No Colors...
No Labels Specific to
Child Bearing
Abilities
or Sperm
Giving Abilities either...

'The Bible' has needed An 'Enema'
From the Beginning; Each Person's
Responsibility for 'THeiR Bible of Life too...

Oldest NeWesT Revelation:

God IS Not A WORD, Alone,
And Most Definitely
Has Problems
GRoWinG
(LoVE)
in Men
the Way
That Toxic
Patriarchy Gardens
Men Globe-Wide A
Little Medicine of 'Fred 115' Might
Be A little Remedy For the Void of 'Their' Souls too...
Meh; Jung and so many Others already reLate A 'SaMe

Verse of Truth
iN LiGHT; too...

Have a Nice Day;
Do Put 'The Lipstick on';
But Only if You Can And Will...

And ReMeMBeR Days, are Only NuMBeRS...
Love Breathes As God Eternally Now For Real
Within to Give and Share Free to All With Least Harm...

As if that
Now Hasn't
ALReadY Been
Danced SunG aS Forest Face Thick
PalmS on Fire Continue to Spread even more...

In Christianity there is no higher honor for a woman than to be her husband's obedient doormat and to pop out lots of babies, preferably sons.

Christianity isn't based on a book. Much of what Jesus taught and the Holy Spirit revealed was taught orally. Christians follow God's word whether it is taught orally or in writing and consider what God revealed orally to be just as authoritative as what He had men write in a book. We believe the church founded by Jesus (referred to in Matthew 16:18) is "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:16)."

I can quote our sacred bible that confirms the apostolic tradition was passed on orally:

"I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Cor 11:2)"

"Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)"

"we too give thanks to God unceasingly, that, in receiving the word of God from hearing us, you received not a human word but, as it truly is, the word of God (1 Thess 2:13)"




I was thinking about slavery in America. I forgot about earlier slavery. Now that you remind me, I recall early Christians selling themselves intro slavery so they could donate their life's wages to the church right away. I don't think there is anything intrinsically immoral about slavery (enslaving criminals, prisoners of war, those who voluntarily sell themselves into slavery) but that's just my opinion. Most of the evils of slavery have to do with racism, enslaving innocent people, and treating people like they're less than human and not slavery itself. Regarding women, separate gender roles isn't sexist. As far as women being weaker, why do you think we have women's sports instead of men and women competing together?



I agree. All Christians agree. Mothers don't create the souls of their children. They give birth to human persons. So, Mary being the Mother of God doesn't mean She came before God. It just means the person She gave birth to, Jesus, was God.




Your opinion was condemned as heresy by the Christian Church in the 4th century. Christians believe in something called the incarnation where God condescended to become man by taking upon a human nature instead of merely dwelling in a human person. You're right that Jesus wasn't created.



It's not worship or idolatry unless the people bowing and praying to Mary believe She is a Goddess. If they did, they'd be doing so in opposition to Christian teaching. Christians have always prayed for each other since the first century. Asking Mary in Heaven to pray for me is no different than asking someone on Earth to pray for me. It's intercessary prayer either way. The only difference is whether saints in heaven can hear prayers. The church's doctrine of the communion of saints says they can. As far as bowing, Japanese people bow when greeting each other. Do you think that's worship?

I'm starting to root for communism to take over the world.

I'd have to do a detailed study of that to find out which brand of communism worked most effectively and which countries actually benefitted from it most. It's true that unchecked capitalism has caused an unbridgable divide between the haves and the have-nots though. Mixed socialism probably best.

But we're veering a bit off the topic which is about women's right to vote.

Communist systems also appear to have been just as patriarchal and male-dominated as their counterparts in the West. Soviet Russia, for instance, didn't produce any female leaders.

^ THIS, QFT ^

But envirozental is correct.  We're veering too far off-topic, which is what happens when people introduce their personal religious beliefs into any conversation.

Sir I am shocked at your inability to be civil.

IDK, my parents are very religious and obviously matriarchal, with a kind of an unspoken rule that "a man's place is at work"... probably cultural differences can go surprisingly far.
I believe gender roles are part of collective survival strategy. When only, say, 1/4 of the children are expected to survive into adulthood, keeping all women pregnant all the time makes sense. When 99% survive, it's time for significant shifts in social norms.

Women who think women shouldn't have the right to vote should have their vote taken away from them. Also take away their right to speak at political campaigns.

Same with anyone who thinks that sort of thing. So a man who thinks men shouldn't vote, same thing applies.

Turkeys who vote for Christmas should be the turkeys that get eaten.

If a society claims to grant all adults equal rights, it’s just silly to deny anyone the right to vote. The listed reasons are sadly funny in today’s context, though I’m sure those are nothing more than rhetoric/scare tactics to preserve a status quo. You have to assume must people are idiots to expect them to actually believe it and expect that to work.

A better rationale would be to say only individual households are allowed to vote. You could reasonable expect that husbands/wives would agree on nearly all issues, so counting wives’ votes would be like counting the same vote twice. This puts single-parent households with different needs at a disadvantage. Note that I never said that women specifically shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Doesn’t matter whether the husband or wife actually casts the vote. The point would be that some representative of the family votes on their behalf. A few details would need to be worked out. Do all independent persons get a vote if they are unmarried and do not have any dependents, or does it apply strictly to any head of household?

^One vote per household is not a good system at all. Often, the husband and wife will vote differently. I've known of many cases like that. You can't deny the vote to adult children still living at home, or those millions of people of all ages who live on their own.

Maybe in a society where the wives let their husbands do all of the thinking and make all of the decisions for them; but the Real World is different.  Not every couple marches in lock-step to the beating of the Patriarchy's drum.

I don't agree with the notion that husbands/wives necessarily "agree on most issues."