Roger Stone says trump should “declare martial law” to

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13 Sep 2020, 9:33 pm

Isn't it cute how they think one mediocre casino owner can think for 300 million people at once?


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13 Sep 2020, 9:38 pm

Lots of elements of “1984” in the Trump domain.



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13 Sep 2020, 9:54 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
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I don't consider an inveterate liar to fit the definition of a good person.


Me neither.

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In Christianity, isn't Satan called "the father of lies?"


Yes.

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How can a Christian defend an inveterate liar in good faith?


If I believed everything the mainstream media said without verifying it, I'd think Trump was an inveterate liar. However, I fact check what I hear and in every case I checked the media twisted or distorted Trump's words. It's the mainstream media that are the inveterate liars. I'm not saying Trump never lies or exaggerates but one of the reasons I and many others like him is because of his honesty compared to the politicians and media who oppose him.




When the Hell Did Having
No Shame For Telling
Lies Come
To Be
The Truth;
Oh Yeah, From
The Beginning Ending of A
State Of Church That Turns
A Dude Into God THeNoW As
Tradition Carries on With Trump...
i've Got
A Secret
For You
God Is
Really Free
And Love And
Is No Dictator
oF Lies And A Dictator
too As God is all that is
Sadly Church and ITS Followers
State in Church Haven't Learned
How To Crawl Out of A Cave Yet
to See much
Daylight
of Truth
At All
Fascinating
Indeed This
Dark Muse
To Watch today
From a Feathered
Nest of Heaven So Far
For Real At Least; References as You Wish;
Future As 'You' Do NoW In Ignorance More And
Worship For Those Who Slave You Away from LoVE And
Truth iN LiGHT As Lord Knows, Feels, And Senses HeaR
DarK is 'Your' And
'THeiR' Truth NoW
As The Tradition oF
'the DarK Force' and
The Evil Empire of
Church in
State
Carries
on the
Tradition
oF iGnorance more
Still waiting for an
Apocalypse to Be lifted
in Greek Original Way of
Ignorance as At Least Trump
Has Come Out of a 'Roach Hotel' into
Broad Daylight With No Shame of Lying Now...
Revealed
In Deed
in Effect
Practically
As A Real
Story A Revelation
Human's Agree to BRinG...
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13 Sep 2020, 10:14 pm

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Just get to the bottom of it & admit you hate your neighbors, o Christian. There is no other reason in hell you would sick the military on them.


I love ALL of my neighbors because I'm a good Christian. The purpose of martial law is to protect innocent Americans from violent criminals. I hated seeing the criminals who rioted set black owned businesses on fire.



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13 Sep 2020, 10:17 pm

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Well what's more scary? Admitting to yourselves that inept humans are the clear & obvious reason entire towns are burning to the ground or losing your fascist messiah?


Buildings are burning because domestic terrorists are setting them on fire. It's not Trump's fault that America hating criminals can't control their violent impulses.

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Truth hurts.


What truth? I didn't see any in your post.



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13 Sep 2020, 10:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Lots of elements of “1984” in the Trump domain.


Far more elements of "1984" in the Democrat party.



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13 Sep 2020, 10:19 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
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Just get to the bottom of it & admit you hate your neighbors, o Christian. There is no other reason in hell you would sick the military on them.


I love ALL of my neighbors because I'm a good Christian. The purpose of martial law is to protect innocent Americans from violent criminals. I hated seeing the criminals who rioted set black owned businesses on fire.


Since when are the military & police NOT full of dangerous criminals?

I was talking about giant fires, not riots. As usual these arguments are out of context.


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13 Sep 2020, 10:46 pm

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13 Sep 2020, 11:01 pm

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Since when are the military & police NOT full of dangerous criminals?


If the police departments were always full of dangerous criminals, then it's not Trump's fault that a black man died while an officer knelt on is neck. I don't remember Obama doing anything about dangerous criminals in the police force or complaining about systemic racism so there is no way Trump is responsible for the violence that's occurring.



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13 Sep 2020, 11:01 pm

B19 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump


Back when Trump ran in 2016 I told people I thought he was autistic because he talks the same way I do. People frequently accused me of lying too but I was always very honest, far more than most people. The thought of an autistic person who was misunderstood and falsely accused by the majority of people (just like I was) become president was the main reason I liked him. I didn't vote for the Republicans who ran against Obama in the two prior elections so Trump being a Republican had nothing to do with why I liked him.

What's going on? Many of Trump's statements in the link you posted are exaggerations which can be explained by Trump being self-absorbed and thinking too highly of himself which could be due to feeling like he didn't fit in anywhere which is why he focuses too much on himself. Other statements come from conspiracy theories (I know some of his pre-election statements I looked up came from Alex Jones's Infowars site. He's not lying if he actually believes them which he probably does). It's not uncommon for people who felt rejected or misunderstood by society to be distrustful of popular/mainstream news and to trust alternative sources of information. Other statements are misquotes. For example, saying 99% of cases of Covid-19 are harmless based on evidence that the mortality rate is 1%. In my case, those were due to mixing up information and memory problems (he'd remember 1% morality and think 99% were harmless because they survived while forgetting that some of them were hospitalized). Sometimes he's joking or sarcastic but people think he's serious because his voice doesn't change. That happened with his bleach comment. He said, let me ask questions on behalf of the reporters and the 3rd or 4th question he asked was whether you could clean the Coronavisus out of your lungs with bleach. I knew he was being sarcastic because I was also sounded serious, my voice didn't change either, and I got angry just like Trump did when I was falsely accused of lying. Trump also likes to speak casually which means restating stuff he heard without verifying it first.

In conclusion, while Trump may make many imprecise, exaggerated, or factually incorrect statements I think he is a generally honest person who isn't intentionally trying to deceive people.



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13 Sep 2020, 11:26 pm

Do you believe that Trump is a holy person?



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14 Sep 2020, 8:19 am

emotrtkey wrote:
B19 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump


Back when Trump ran in 2016 I told people I thought he was autistic because he talks the same way I do. People frequently accused me of lying too but I was always very honest, far more than most people. The thought of an autistic person who was misunderstood and falsely accused by the majority of people (just like I was) become president was the main reason I liked him. I didn't vote for the Republicans who ran against Obama in the two prior elections so Trump being a Republican had nothing to do with why I liked him.

What's going on? Many of Trump's statements in the link you posted are exaggerations which can be explained by Trump being self-absorbed and thinking too highly of himself which could be due to feeling like he didn't fit in anywhere which is why he focuses too much on himself. Other statements come from conspiracy theories (I know some of his pre-election statements I looked up came from Alex Jones's Infowars site. He's not lying if he actually believes them which he probably does). It's not uncommon for people who felt rejected or misunderstood by society to be distrustful of popular/mainstream news and to trust alternative sources of information. Other statements are misquotes. For example, saying 99% of cases of Covid-19 are harmless based on evidence that the mortality rate is 1%. In my case, those were due to mixing up information and memory problems (he'd remember 1% morality and think 99% were harmless because they survived while forgetting that some of them were hospitalized). Sometimes he's joking or sarcastic but people think he's serious because his voice doesn't change. That happened with his bleach comment. He said, let me ask questions on behalf of the reporters and the 3rd or 4th question he asked was whether you could clean the Coronavisus out of your lungs with bleach. I knew he was being sarcastic because I was also sounded serious, my voice didn't change either, and I got angry just like Trump did when I was falsely accused of lying. Trump also likes to speak casually which means restating stuff he heard without verifying it first.

In conclusion, while Trump may make many imprecise, exaggerated, or factually incorrect statements I think he is a generally honest person who isn't intentionally trying to deceive people.


Lyrics that Accompany the Rest of 'The Immigrant Song' by Led Zeppelin too...

It's Worth Noting that Trump Said His Followers (Minions) Would Still
Support Him, if He Shot Someone on 5th Avenue; in Example of Metaphor; 194 Thousand-
Plus Corpses Piling Up on 5th Avenue as Trump Did NOT Model Appropriate Mask Behavior
For the Easiest Way, Not only To Save Thousands of those Lives; But also to Get The Economy
Back Up and Running the Same way it is being safely done this way in Many Other Countries, BY SCIENCE.

Smiles, Trump as the Metaphor of a Flimflam Used Car Lemon Sales Person Understands
So Well that a Certain Segment of the Population Has little to no ability to Discern when
Folks are Lying to them that he came right out in the Open to tell folks That His actions
Would Lead to the Death of Others in Broad Daylight; and Those Folks who are the 'P.T. Barnum'
'Suckers Born Every Minute', Version of his '3 Ring Circus' would still buy the Gaslit Reality That Trump
Provides; A Bit of
Advice,
if You
ever buy
a Car; even at a
New Car Dealership;
take someone with 'my kind
of Autism' with You; the one; who no one
will have the ability to Deceive and get away with it;

It's easy for me; for my Savant Skill is Reading the
Souls of Others through their eyes, etc; In General, the Folks
Who Sell Cars; Whether New or Used; Have the same General
Dead Part in their Eyes that Trump and Just about all the so-called
Journalists on Fox News Have; Chris Wallace is More on the Truth Side;
And a Few Others; But one Look At Some of the Others; is completely Devoid of Human Soul....

Like Trump;
From the Very
First Day
i Saw His Eyes...

"Definition of Flimflam by Merriam-Webster
Flimflam definition is - deceptive nonsense. ...
"Professor and the Parson tries to make sense of a
narcissistic con man who fooled nearly everyone'"

"Did You Know?
Verb
English is full of words concerned with trickery and deception, ranging from the colorful "flimflam," "bamboozle," and "hornswoggle" to the more mundane "deceive," "mislead," and "delude." "Flimflam" first entered English as a noun meaning "deceptive nonsense" in the second half of the 16th century. A sense meaning "deception" or "fraud" soon developed. The verb use didn't show up until well into the next century. In addition to general deceiving or tricking, the verb "flimflam" is often used specifically to refer to swindling someone out of money. The ultimate origin of "flimflam" is uncertain, but the word is probably of Scandinavian origin and may be related to the Old Norse flim, meaning "mockery."

Synonyms for flimflam
Synonyms: Noun
artifice, device, dodge, fetch, gambit, gimmick, jig, juggle,
knack, play, ploy, ruse, scheme, shenanigan, sleight, stratagem, trick, wile

Synonyms: Verb
beat, bilk, bleed, cheat, chisel, chouse, con, cozen, defraud, diddle, do, do in,
euchre, fiddle, fleece, gaff, hose [slang], hustle, mulct, nobble [British slang],
pluck, ream, rip off, rook, screw, shake down, short, shortchange, skin, skunk,
squeeze, stick, stiff, sting, sucker, swindle, thimblerig, victimize"

It's Also Worth Noting That in Church You Are Getting Hustled by other
Folks Who Have Been Hustled by the Same 'Trump Non-Sense' for Thousands
of Years; Carrots And Sticks; Flimflam Folks Always Offer Faux Carrots And Sticks;
Promising You The Moon; And Telling You, You Will Die Without the Moon; Meanwhile

the
Moon
is a Rock in the Sky...

Guess What; Love is Real;
Typically People who cannot
Discern the Truth in Others; Were
Lied too as Well From When They Were
Very Small; Like it is Bad When Boys Smile;
Like it is Bad When Boys Cry; Like it is Bad
When Boys Learn Emotional Intelligence
And No One Will Be Able to Lie to
Them; And they End up
in Jail; end up
Divorced;
End Up
Unemployed;
Or Taken Advantage
of in the Workplace and
Love Life, Until all that is Left is a Shell;
of course unless they become a Flimflam Person too...

The Vicious Cycle
of Human Purgatory
And Hell indeed; And the
Sad Part is those similar Folks
will likely never be able to discern
My Language of HeART either as that is what
they are missing in
the first place:

Love

'You' Don't Teach
Love With Fear;
You Don't Teach
Love with
Lies;
And You Don't
'Know Love' Without the
Understanding that Cognitive
Empathy, Affective Empathy,
And Compassion Brings;
But How Do You
Teach A
Fish
to Swim;
You Raise the
Fish Like a Human Being....

You teach that Human
Being; Better yet, you
allow that Human Being to Be Free to Love;

Any Person or Institution that does not Allow
Any Human Being the Will, THE Freedom to Love Freely
is indeed a Flimflam Person or Institution of the Worst Human Evil...

Taking Away
the Will to
Love;
The Worst
Mortal Sin indeed;
For Love is what Allows us to Be Mortal in the First place of Life....

Dude, i've Worked with the Public For Decades; interacting with
Well over a Hundred Thousand Folks Directly; i didn't gain this
Savant Skill Without Decades of First Hand Education in Experience of Wisdom;


Let's Face it;
Some of us
Just don't get the
Opportunity to Develop this
Emotional Intelligence; And Others of
Us, Sadly, are Genetically Deficit in the Ability to do it at all...

A Saddest Part is that First Day the Father Says Boy Don't
Cry; Or Emotions are for Girls; for That Boy or Girl Who is
Psychologically Emotionally Abused this way Will be Handicapped
The Rest of
Their Life

Unless
They overcome
And Move into the
Truth and Light of Love That Breathes within...

Making the Dance and Song of Life Really Worth Breathing Now...

To Be Clear; This Story may not be for you; But others will be able to relate..

If it is; it's practically a Miracle....

i've Seen Miracles too;

And as one of the
Most Skeptical Scientists
of all; i have no choice but
to admit, they are as Real as Literally the Breath i Breathe....

But only When This Breath is LoVE iN Truth in Light For Real....

You may not See it
my Friend but you are

suffocating

'This Way'...

All i have is Pity for you Now...
i appreciate Your Honesty; i Hope You
You get better at Discerning Truth and Love...

i Sincerely
Hope you Get it...

As Lord Knows, Feels, Senses i realize
i Can't Make Any 'Stubborn Horse'
Drink it... just another Old Metaphor...

sadly
unless
It's Kool-Aid...

i don't Serve Kool-Aid;
Just my Personal Version of
Real 'Holy Water' Truth in Light that Loves...

With No Fear to Give and Share Freely as a River Flowing Endlessly Now...


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14 Sep 2020, 8:25 am

When it comes to devout Trumpsters, I've seen similar behavior in adolescent girls who 'worshiped' their post-teen-aged boyfriends -- they sincerely believed their boyfriends could do no wrong, and that anyone who pointed out the boyfriends' obvious flaws (i.e., drop-out, gang member, juvenile detention, police record, et cetera) was simply lying out of jealousy and/or bigotry.  Those girls also made every kind of improbable excuse as to why the boyfriends' actions were simply misunderstood, and why everybody should accept their boyfriend just the way they were.

Then one day, those girls wake up to the sound of their fatherless babies crying, and realize that they have been used, abused, and abandoned by the very same narcissistic boyfriend whom they believed really loved them, when narcissists really don't love anyone except themselves.

Now name the boyfriend "Trump", think of all of his fans as those adolescent girls, and you will understand how I perceive anyone who believes Trump can do no wrong, who believes anyone who points out Trump's flaws is lying, who make up all kinds of improbably excuses that favor Trump, and who will likely receive the worst screwing-over as Trump takes from them everything he wants.


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14 Sep 2020, 8:29 am

Fnord wrote:
When it comes to devout Trumpsters, I've seen similar behavior in adolescent girls who 'worshiped' their post-teen-aged boyfriends -- they sincerely believed their boyfriends could do no wrong, and that anyone who pointed out the boyfriends' obvious flaws (i.e., drop-out, gang member, juvenile detention, police record, et cetera) was simply lying out of jealousy and/or bigotry.  Those girls also made every kind of improbable excuse as to why the boyfriends' actions were simply misunderstood, and why everybody should accept her boyfriend just the way he is.

Then one day, those girls wake up to the sound of their fatherless baby crying, and realize that they have been used, abused, and abandoned by the very same narcissistic boyfriend whom they believed really loved them, when narcissists really don't love anyone except themselves.

Now name the boyfriend "Trump", think of all of his fans as those adolescent girls, and you will understand how I perceive anyone who believes Trump can do no wrong, who believes anyone who points out Trump's flaws is lying, who make up all kinds of improbably excuses that favor Trump, and who will likely receive the worst screwing-over as Trump takes from them everything he wants.



I won't be feeling sorry for any of these Trump fans, they brought this on themselves.


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14 Sep 2020, 8:30 am

If there's one thing Trump lacks-----it is loyalty. He'll throw you under the bus at a moment's notice.