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22 Sep 2020, 4:29 pm



This was quite insightful and makes a compelling case that MAGA is indistinguishable from other fascist movements that have existed historically. The 'alarmists' aren't wrong and those who favour democracy over reactionary totalitarianism need to recognize the threat posed by this movement and respond accordingly.


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22 Sep 2020, 11:54 pm

Very informative... and frightening.


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23 Sep 2020, 8:36 am

Trump wants to make America great like it was in the 1950s when more Americans used their brains to think instead of their emotions, had morals, good ethics, valued the truth, and were willing to work hard.



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23 Sep 2020, 8:41 am

funeralxempire wrote:
This was quite insightful and makes a compelling case that MAGA is indistinguishable from other fascist movements that have existed historically...
I most respectfully disagree.

Previous fascist movements were distinguished by black-booted thugs in brown shirts.

The MAGA movement is distinguished by red-necked people in red hats.

:wink: Otherwise ... spot on!


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23 Sep 2020, 9:28 am

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Trump wants to make America great like it was in the 1950s when more Americans used their brains to think instead of their emotions, had morals, good ethics, valued the truth, and were willing to work hard.


Beginning of Grinding
Hips with Elvis Presley
And Marilyn Monroe
And Female
Sexual Greater
Freedoms to Express
That too; Yes, Good Days
Of The 50’s Still Remain
Now While Others Zipped
Up and Wrapped up like
Cogs in Machines Dead
Of Human Emotions;
Like Charlton Heston
Gripping A Gun With
Cold Dead Fingers
In The Desert;
Choose
Your
‘PoiSon’
Now or
BLiSS in
Every Age;
In Or Out
Of Heaven
NoW With
LoVE iN
Deed...
My
God ‘Man’
Where Are You ‘From’...
Other Than that my JeSuS
God Man Such Fabulous
Dark Muse in Ignorance
Of Antiquated Opinions
You Continue to
Gift Here Now
For it’s
True
Without
Night There
Is No Day At ALL...


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23 Sep 2020, 9:35 am

I started another thread on what the 1950's were really all about.


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23 Sep 2020, 11:10 am

You'll know the fascist when he tries to steal your money with taxes.

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23 Sep 2020, 11:13 am

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You'll know the fascist when he tries to steal your money with taxes.
No ... you'll know you're dealing with a Fascist when he spits in your face, tells you it's raining, calls Global Warming a lie, and then blames Obama.


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23 Sep 2020, 12:18 pm

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You'll know the fascist when he tries to steal your money with taxes.

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Please
Now Really
'Love Not Hate'
Or A God of Money
With No Soul...
From
Old
Now
Called
Trump
And Companies...
Finger Prints Breathing of
Souls Need No Names For Real...

Haha; i've been So Rich for So Long
i For Get when i paid Any CuLTuRaL Taxes

Meh; at the 'Federal Level' at Least Now

At All

so

long...

so long ago...

There is no Possible
way any Politician in
Church or State; Work
Or School, Etcetera; Now,
Will Ever Really Tax A Rich Soul...


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23 Sep 2020, 12:44 pm

aghogday wrote:
Please
Now Really
'Love Not Hate'
Or A God of Money
With No Soul...
From
Old
Now
Called
Trump
And Companies...
Finger Prints Breathing of
Souls Need No Names For Real...

Tax cuts means less money for FASCISTS.

You see these white nationalists / NAZI groups talking about Socialism.

They want to take our money, and give it to their racist, white buddies.

BLM has been preaching this.

BLM has been saying, "DEFUND A SYSTEMICALLY RACIST GOVERNMENT".

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23 Sep 2020, 1:43 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Please
Now Really
'Love Not Hate'
Or A God of Money
With No Soul...
From
Old
Now
Called
Trump
And Companies...
Finger Prints Breathing of
Souls Need No Names For Real...

Tax cuts means less money for FASCISTS.

You see these white nationalists / NAZI groups talking about Socialism.

They want to take our money, and give it to their racist, white buddies.

BLM has been preaching this.

BLM has been saying, "DEFUND A SYSTEMICALLY RACIST GOVERNMENT".

Image




i'm not much one for Extremes on either
End; all i 'KNoW' in Means is it's easy to
get rich in this Country, Without even
Trying to Escape Paying Federal Taxes;

It's really Simple; for me at least;
One Wife, No Living Children;
One Home; One Car;
No Loans;
Don't
Owe
Anyone
Anything and
the Money Naturally
Piles up like Mountains,
Totally Federally Tax Free;
i can't even imagine bothering
myself to make any more money...
As it would Just be a Waste of my Even Richer Soul...

But Meh, The Way That Goes Sooner than Later Someone Will
Probably (Actually 'They' Will) Just Give me more Money, Whether i want it or not...

Oh yeah; and the Hand Cuffs of Government Employment, Yuck Butt;
Until 'You' Set Yourself Free and They Pay You to be Free After that;

i don't work for anyone's Ideals, now; i am A Bird With Free Wings;

i Adapt and Naturally

Win...

All that's
Left to
Do is
the Right
to Give and Share Free...
Hehe.. as a Bird Dances
And Sings And Crows i
win i win Love some more...

Remember, FRiEnD;
'Love Not Hate'; with Winks...

You and me really aren't
that much Different; i'm just really rich...

How did i do it; i am Actually Fiscally
Conservative; i don't Have a Big Boat
And Camper i Don't Use; And A New
Four Wheel Drive that Costs 50,000
Dollars Sitting in Front of a Trailer;
Divorced 4 Times, Still Paying Child
Support For 7 Children; Working
Two Jobs Until i have A Heart
Attack or Get the Covid-19
Virus At A Trump
Corona ViRuS
Party Dying
Shortly
After That
Unprotected
Like all that
Sex that Led to
All those Children too;
And Not Only that but a
Tear in a Beer; And A Country
Song Because Big Daddy Said
Boys Don't Cry after the 4th Divorce
Lonely in my Trailer Now too; True my
Life is much Different but that really has
nothing to Do with my Rich Soul; i Dance

Free Naked
in Sand
and Sun
Free Verse;
The Way i
Sing in Writing
too; and the Colors
of Bliss Just continue
to Accumulate 'Beyond
Infinity' in Autotelic Flow
of Rainbow Colors NoW in DiViNE FRiSSioN

Too; Yes, God For Real That too; Plus

2,000 or so Photos of Beautiful Women
Smiling With me; and my Beautiful Wife at Age
50 plus, Who through Irrefutable Evidence Doesn't
Age Any more than those Young Dancing Women
With me either, truly Shows What Love not Hate will Really do Now for
Real
with
totally
Empty
Pockets
as i emptied
them out Free
in my Wife's Purse
After i Retired to Free
Without that Filthy Green
Paper Habit Following me
Around Killing My Wings of Before...

Filthy Rich Indeed, Just in my own NaKeD SKiN...

Evidence upon Request too; but not Provided Here on that of course too...

Just Unlimited Smiles of Joy in the Ecstasy of Chasing Dreams with Naked Wings Free..

IMAG!

i Make America Great!

And that is my Personal
Responsibility fulfilled iN Deed
With Miles and Miles of SMiLes More to Grow..:)

i'm Curious; Other than Money and Stuff; What
Makes You Happy; i don't expect You
to answer...

i am
Just
NaturAlly CuRiouS....

Hint: The Secret of
All my Success; just Naturally Curious With SMiLes;
iN 'Curious George' Ways, 'Cheshire Cat' Lasting of Course too..;)


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23 Sep 2020, 2:13 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
Trump wants to make America great like it was in the 1950s when more Americans used their brains to think instead of their emotions, had morals, good ethics, valued the truth, and were willing to work hard.


Also, there were seperate drinking fountains for white people and black people, and black people couldn't even sit in the front of the bus....yep, them sure are the days glory days. :roll:


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23 Sep 2020, 2:26 pm

"They think people who criticize Trump are part of the conspiracy."

So that explains why Trump supporters from here have thought that any anti Trump post is an attack and a dig at them and why I have been put on the naughty list by a former member here and part of the whole "bullying" team here.

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23 Sep 2020, 2:27 pm

Basically what I think of whenever there's accusations of Fascism (bold emphasis mine):

"Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or ‘Fascist-minded’. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: ‘The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism’.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky's own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;

War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term ‘Fascist’ to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People's Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as ‘Fascist-minded’ or ‘natural Fascists’. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else....

Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword."

-George Orwell

Full article: https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/ ... lish/efasc


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23 Sep 2020, 2:39 pm

By the current metric, I'm sure Orwell was a Fascist, too.


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"They think people who criticize Trump are part of the conspiracy."

So that explains why Trump supporters from here have thought that any anti Trump post is an attack and a dig at them and why I have been put on the naughty list by a former member here and part of the whole "bullying" team here.
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Are you actually saying TheRobotLives is a sockpuppet account of LoveNotHate? I thought it was androbot01.


Smiles, i really don't 'know'
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The Actual Member Here
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