Kyle Rittenhouse included in heroes list in school
23 Sep 2020, 4:46 am
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
It's amazing how often people repeat simple lies such as this...Doesn't really encourage reading further.
Is there really rock solid evidence he wasn't carrying other weapons? you are going with his defence team's claim that he "innocently" obtained one gun from his friend.
But...The authorities found Rittenhouse in possession of 2 rifles and Investigators have not revealed whether one or both of the rifles were fired by Rittenhouse, or somebody else, during the destruction in Kenosha that followed the police shooting of Jacob Blake. There could be further legal complications for the teenager if he was found to have transported the guns across the state line. My understanding is this is still under investigation
https://abc7chicago.com/kenosha-shootin ... e/6406156/
Looks like you "jumped the gun" Bric
Your source would be more convincing had it included a date...
The first reference I found with a date, from almost a month ago:
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"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin." Wood is part of the Texas-based #FightBack Foundation Inc. that is raising money for Rittenhouse's defense.
Source: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/28/new-details-emerge-kenosha-shooting-chief-union-defend-officers/5660081002/
I haven't heard any changes to this since then, nor have charges been laid indicating this would be incorrect.
Nice try.
23 Sep 2020, 5:11 am
Brictoria wrote:
Source: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/28/new-details-emerge-kenosha-shooting-chief-union-defend-officers/5660081002/
I haven't heard any changes to this since then, nor have charges been laid indicating this would be incorrect.
Nice try.
I haven't heard any changes to this since then, nor have charges been laid indicating this would be incorrect.
Nice try.
Ummm that's still the attorney for Rittenhouse Lin Wood making the claim though? its true no charges have been laid over the weapons but its still unclear, my understanding is the investigation is ongoing.
23 Sep 2020, 5:42 am
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Source: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/28/new-details-emerge-kenosha-shooting-chief-union-defend-officers/5660081002/
I haven't heard any changes to this since then, nor have charges been laid indicating this would be incorrect.
Nice try.
I haven't heard any changes to this since then, nor have charges been laid indicating this would be incorrect.
Nice try.
Ummm that's still the attorney for Rittenhouse Lin Wood making the claim though? its true no charges have been laid over the weapons but its still unclear, my understanding is the investigation is ongoing.
Until anything else comes to light, it is the only "facts" we have...It isn't that hard for the police to confirm the claim, either, so the fact nothing has changed regarding the charges make it likely that was the truth.
The fact that the "probable cause" section of the charging documents specifically include the line "The defendant can clearly be seen holding a long gun, which was later recovered by law enforcement" would strengthen the probability of the claim being factual, given they had the weapon when preparing the charges.
Source: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf (middle of 2nd paragraph, page 3)
23 Sep 2020, 8:26 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
The kid brought a gun hoping for a chance to use it.. ended up using it when he did not have to.. in the mayhem of a protest, it is easy to claim self defense, but people at protests do not start shooting each other even if someone shoves you or hits you.. in his case, he pointed a gun at someone and the guy started provoking him and pushed his gun.. he then killed that person and then two more people.. nobody actually attacked him and he had no injuries.. he probably did not even defend any particular business, he just wanted to walk around with a big gun in a mayhem of a protest inspired to protect civilized businesses against barbarians, when he was the dangerous barbarian thinking of himself as a noble defender.. even police don't shoot protesters with guns when they rob a business..
Before becoming too attached to your incorrect assumptions, you probably should read the charging documents, particularly the "probable cause" section where it outlines what is known to have occurred...
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf
you should not take a gun to a protest, because people get into fights there and you will end up using the gun killing people, it's like bringing a nuclear bomb to a snowball fight.. you would not do it, because you do not want to be in a situation where you will be inclined to use it.. let's face it - his profile and actions point to hoping to use the gun, and he put himself into a situation where he got provoked into using it.. where a gun was not necessary and was way overkill for self defense.
He didn't take a gun to a protest. He took a gun to a riot where violent criminals were destroying property and committing other lawless acts to defend innocent people from being harmed. He is a hero who risked his life to help his neighbors. I admire his courage and bravery. If you watched the video, a crowd of at least 50 people ran after him while threatening to inflict serious bodily harm. He didn't try to shoot anyone. He tried to run away to avoid hurting anyone. It wasn't until they knocked him over, one of them tried to kick him in the head and another attacked him with a skateboard that he was forced to use his gun in what was clearly self-defense.
Blaming a victim for defending himself is shameful. It's like telling a woman it's her fault she got raped because she shouldn't have been at a party and should have known what would happen or blaming her for using mace to keep the rapists from raping her. The fault lies with the violent criminals who attacked him and those in government who support lawlessness. After Trump stepped in to provide the police protection Democrats refused to provide, the rioting stopped and the citizens were safe again.
He brought a gun to another state to a protest that had nothing to do with him and shot people.
That's false. He lived along the border and worked in the town where he brought the gun. He was assaulted and only shot people in self-defense.
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That's not heroic its just gross. He didn't try to shoot anyone yet he shot 3 people dead...interesting.
He tried to run away. He didn't shoot until the mob knocked him over, tried to kick him in the head, and tried to attack him with a skateboard. Those people got what they deserved.
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He wasn't a victim he was brandishing a weapon intimidating people and then killed people.
I guess you could say that about all police shooting. Should we ban police from carrying guns so people aren't intimidated?
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Or I suppose even if he was a victim he certainly created three more. At the very least he thought he was acting in self defense, but that is a far stretch from him being a hero for illegally bringing a gun to a protest outside of his own state and shooting people...regardless of why he did it.
He's a hero for risking his life being around violent criminals to help people.
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He is a violent criminal and should have been arrested on the spot. I mean they let him walk away even back behind cop cars, one could even argue that put police officers at risk, letting a shooting suspect walk behind the police blockade that way.
He did nothing wrong. He could have killed dozens if he wanted to. He's not violent nor a criminal.
23 Sep 2020, 8:37 am
emotrtkey wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero. He risked his life to defend family businesses and provide medical care to those wounded by violent criminals who were rioting, assaulting people, and setting buildings on fire. If he didn't bring a gun to defend himself, there's a good chance they would have murdered him.
Kyle Rittenhouse, an Antioch, Illinois, teenage supporter of police who filled his Facebook page with pictures of guns and law enforcement advocacy and went to Kenosha to protect people and property, was named as the accused shooter in the chaotic series of shootings on August 25 that unfolded at a Kenosha, Wisconsin, demonstration over the police shooting of Jacob Blake. At least 6 charges are currently lodged against him:#1 940.02(1) 1st-Degree Reckless Homicide Felony B; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#2 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#3 940.01(1)(a) 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#4 940.01(1)(a) Attempt 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#5 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#6 948.60(2)(a) Possess Dangerous Weapon-Person CCAP.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
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23 Sep 2020, 8:48 am
Fnord wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero. He risked his life to defend family businesses and provide medical care to those wounded by violent criminals who were rioting, assaulting people, and setting buildings on fire. If he didn't bring a gun to defend himself, there's a good chance they would have murdered him.
Kyle Rittenhouse, an Antioch, Illinois, teenage supporter of police who filled his Facebook page with pictures of guns and law enforcement advocacy and went to Kenosha to protect people and property, was named as the accused shooter in the chaotic series of shootings on August 25 that unfolded at a Kenosha, Wisconsin, demonstration over the police shooting of Jacob Blake. At least 6 charges are currently lodged against him:#1 940.02(1) 1st-Degree Reckless Homicide Felony B; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#2 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#3 940.01(1)(a) 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#4 940.01(1)(a) Attempt 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#5 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#6 948.60(2)(a) Possess Dangerous Weapon-Person CCAP.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a brave hero who will be found not guilty of all charges. He's a young boy who supports law and order who risked his life to help people in need. Schools should lift up this young boy as an example for all children to follow.
23 Sep 2020, 8:56 am
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Innocent until proven guilty. Which he probably will be, but still...The full quote is: "In the American criminal justice system, a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
We the People, however, constitute the Court of Public Opinion, wherein the accused is presumed guilty even after having been acquitted in a Court of Law.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
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23 Sep 2020, 10:03 am
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Innocent until proven guilty. Which he probably will be, but still...The full quote is: "In the American criminal justice system, a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
We the People, however, constitute the Court of Public Opinion, wherein the accused is presumed guilty even after having been acquitted in a Court of Law.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Those who riot, burn down buildings, and attack the police are terrorists. Those who stand up for law and order in America, who defend themselves against those terrorists, are patriotic Americans and heroes who deserve to be celebrated and honored.
23 Sep 2020, 10:06 am
emotrtkey wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Innocent until proven guilty. Which he probably will be, but still...The full quote is: "In the American criminal justice system, a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
We the People, however, constitute the Court of Public Opinion, wherein the accused is presumed guilty even after having been acquitted in a Court of Law.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
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23 Sep 2020, 10:53 am
Fnord wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Innocent until proven guilty. Which he probably will be, but still...The full quote is: "In the American criminal justice system, a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."
We the People, however, constitute the Court of Public Opinion, wherein the accused is presumed guilty even after having been acquitted in a Court of Law.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
I'm glad we agree that rioters are terrorists. However, I don't think it's fair to call a young boy a terrorist for defending himself against adult terrorists attacking him and threatening to kill him. Does this child's life mean anything to you?
23 Sep 2020, 2:23 pm
It is always a matter of opinion a hero to one can be a bad guy to another.
''freedom fighter'' is someone else`s ''terrorist.''
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23 Sep 2020, 2:34 pm
emotrtkey wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
The kid brought a gun hoping for a chance to use it.. ended up using it when he did not have to.. in the mayhem of a protest, it is easy to claim self defense, but people at protests do not start shooting each other even if someone shoves you or hits you.. in his case, he pointed a gun at someone and the guy started provoking him and pushed his gun.. he then killed that person and then two more people.. nobody actually attacked him and he had no injuries.. he probably did not even defend any particular business, he just wanted to walk around with a big gun in a mayhem of a protest inspired to protect civilized businesses against barbarians, when he was the dangerous barbarian thinking of himself as a noble defender.. even police don't shoot protesters with guns when they rob a business..
Before becoming too attached to your incorrect assumptions, you probably should read the charging documents, particularly the "probable cause" section where it outlines what is known to have occurred...
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf
you should not take a gun to a protest, because people get into fights there and you will end up using the gun killing people, it's like bringing a nuclear bomb to a snowball fight.. you would not do it, because you do not want to be in a situation where you will be inclined to use it.. let's face it - his profile and actions point to hoping to use the gun, and he put himself into a situation where he got provoked into using it.. where a gun was not necessary and was way overkill for self defense.
He didn't take a gun to a protest. He took a gun to a riot where violent criminals were destroying property and committing other lawless acts to defend innocent people from being harmed. He is a hero who risked his life to help his neighbors. I admire his courage and bravery. If you watched the video, a crowd of at least 50 people ran after him while threatening to inflict serious bodily harm. He didn't try to shoot anyone. He tried to run away to avoid hurting anyone. It wasn't until they knocked him over, one of them tried to kick him in the head and another attacked him with a skateboard that he was forced to use his gun in what was clearly self-defense.
Blaming a victim for defending himself is shameful. It's like telling a woman it's her fault she got raped because she shouldn't have been at a party and should have known what would happen or blaming her for using mace to keep the rapists from raping her. The fault lies with the violent criminals who attacked him and those in government who support lawlessness. After Trump stepped in to provide the police protection Democrats refused to provide, the rioting stopped and the citizens were safe again.
He brought a gun to another state to a protest that had nothing to do with him and shot people.
That's false. He lived along the border and worked in the town where he brought the gun. He was assaulted and only shot people in self-defense.
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That's not heroic its just gross. He didn't try to shoot anyone yet he shot 3 people dead...interesting.
He tried to run away. He didn't shoot until the mob knocked him over, tried to kick him in the head, and tried to attack him with a skateboard. Those people got what they deserved.
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He wasn't a victim he was brandishing a weapon intimidating people and then killed people.
I guess you could say that about all police shooting. Should we ban police from carrying guns so people aren't intimidated?
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Or I suppose even if he was a victim he certainly created three more. At the very least he thought he was acting in self defense, but that is a far stretch from him being a hero for illegally bringing a gun to a protest outside of his own state and shooting people...regardless of why he did it.
He's a hero for risking his life being around violent criminals to help people.
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He is a violent criminal and should have been arrested on the spot. I mean they let him walk away even back behind cop cars, one could even argue that put police officers at risk, letting a shooting suspect walk behind the police blockade that way.
He did nothing wrong. He could have killed dozens if he wanted to. He's not violent nor a criminal.
Ok well that is your opinion, not changing mine....he showed up looking for an excuse to shoot people. Also, according to paramedics he was not aiding the injured(also what would have he even had?) just walking around menacingly with a gun.
There is literally no confirmation he did anything to aid anyone....instead he killed two people and injured a third. I am not going to buy the white knight image the trumpers are trying to paint over him.
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23 Sep 2020, 2:52 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
idntonkw wrote:
The kid brought a gun hoping for a chance to use it.. ended up using it when he did not have to.. in the mayhem of a protest, it is easy to claim self defense, but people at protests do not start shooting each other even if someone shoves you or hits you.. in his case, he pointed a gun at someone and the guy started provoking him and pushed his gun.. he then killed that person and then two more people.. nobody actually attacked him and he had no injuries.. he probably did not even defend any particular business, he just wanted to walk around with a big gun in a mayhem of a protest inspired to protect civilized businesses against barbarians, when he was the dangerous barbarian thinking of himself as a noble defender.. even police don't shoot protesters with guns when they rob a business..
Before becoming too attached to your incorrect assumptions, you probably should read the charging documents, particularly the "probable cause" section where it outlines what is known to have occurred...
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journaltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46ff33b7-0bd7-55e6-8f2f-9ded0582862f/5f4933274cde9.pdf.pdf
you should not take a gun to a protest, because people get into fights there and you will end up using the gun killing people, it's like bringing a nuclear bomb to a snowball fight.. you would not do it, because you do not want to be in a situation where you will be inclined to use it.. let's face it - his profile and actions point to hoping to use the gun, and he put himself into a situation where he got provoked into using it.. where a gun was not necessary and was way overkill for self defense.
He didn't take a gun to a protest. He took a gun to a riot where violent criminals were destroying property and committing other lawless acts to defend innocent people from being harmed. He is a hero who risked his life to help his neighbors. I admire his courage and bravery. If you watched the video, a crowd of at least 50 people ran after him while threatening to inflict serious bodily harm. He didn't try to shoot anyone. He tried to run away to avoid hurting anyone. It wasn't until they knocked him over, one of them tried to kick him in the head and another attacked him with a skateboard that he was forced to use his gun in what was clearly self-defense.
Blaming a victim for defending himself is shameful. It's like telling a woman it's her fault she got raped because she shouldn't have been at a party and should have known what would happen or blaming her for using mace to keep the rapists from raping her. The fault lies with the violent criminals who attacked him and those in government who support lawlessness. After Trump stepped in to provide the police protection Democrats refused to provide, the rioting stopped and the citizens were safe again.
He brought a gun to another state to a protest that had nothing to do with him and shot people.
That's false. He lived along the border and worked in the town where he brought the gun. He was assaulted and only shot people in self-defense.
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That's not heroic its just gross. He didn't try to shoot anyone yet he shot 3 people dead...interesting.
He tried to run away. He didn't shoot until the mob knocked him over, tried to kick him in the head, and tried to attack him with a skateboard. Those people got what they deserved.
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He wasn't a victim he was brandishing a weapon intimidating people and then killed people.
I guess you could say that about all police shooting. Should we ban police from carrying guns so people aren't intimidated?
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Or I suppose even if he was a victim he certainly created three more. At the very least he thought he was acting in self defense, but that is a far stretch from him being a hero for illegally bringing a gun to a protest outside of his own state and shooting people...regardless of why he did it.
He's a hero for risking his life being around violent criminals to help people.
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He is a violent criminal and should have been arrested on the spot. I mean they let him walk away even back behind cop cars, one could even argue that put police officers at risk, letting a shooting suspect walk behind the police blockade that way.
He did nothing wrong. He could have killed dozens if he wanted to. He's not violent nor a criminal.
Ok well that is your opinion, not changing mine
There is video showing him running away from dozens of people threatening to harm him. That video proves he acted in self-defense. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
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....he showed up looking for an excuse to shoot people.
That's an opinion. The evidence disagrees with your opinion. The video is quite clear why he acted and he could have easily killed more people.
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Also, according to paramedics he was not aiding the injured(also what would have he even had?) just walking around menacingly with a gun.
Any evidence he was menacing people? Video before the shooting showed him with medical supplies to aid the injured.
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There is literally no confirmation he did anything to aid anyone....instead he killed two people and injured a third. I am not going to buy the white knight image the trumpers are trying to paint over him.
Believe whatever you want. The facts speak for themselves.
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23 Sep 2020, 2:55 pm
Brictoria wrote:
It's amazing how often people repeat simple lies such as this...Doesn't really encourage reading further.
How is that a lie? That is what all the reports coming out about it said...so I am basing it off that. Have not heard anything different, as of yet.
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23 Sep 2020, 3:04 pm
emotrtkey wrote:
Fnord wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero. He risked his life to defend family businesses and provide medical care to those wounded by violent criminals who were rioting, assaulting people, and setting buildings on fire. If he didn't bring a gun to defend himself, there's a good chance they would have murdered him.
Kyle Rittenhouse, an Antioch, Illinois, teenage supporter of police who filled his Facebook page with pictures of guns and law enforcement advocacy and went to Kenosha to protect people and property, was named as the accused shooter in the chaotic series of shootings on August 25 that unfolded at a Kenosha, Wisconsin, demonstration over the police shooting of Jacob Blake. At least 6 charges are currently lodged against him:#1 940.02(1) 1st-Degree Reckless Homicide Felony B; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#2 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#3 940.01(1)(a) 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#4 940.01(1)(a) Attempt 1st-Degree Intentional Homicide Felony A; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#5 941.30(1) 1st-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony F; Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon.
#6 948.60(2)(a) Possess Dangerous Weapon-Person CCAP.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a brave hero who will be found not guilty of all charges. He's a young boy who supports law and order who risked his life to help people in need. Schools should lift up this young boy as an example for all children to follow.
Who did he 'help' exactly? The paramedics specifically did not want him around, he was making their job harder by intimidating people and they were avoiding him because of it. Also, he didn't get chased until after he had already shot someone. Might help to read this link cyberdad posted earlier....
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/loc ... 656907002/ it has quite a bit of detail from witnesses and the paramedics describing how uncomfortable he made them.
We should not be encouraging teenagers to arm themselves with assault rifles and shoot people.
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