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10 Oct 2020, 4:25 pm

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Industrialists in Germany sided with the Nazis, and not only threw their support behind Hitler but eagerly collaborated with him in regard to Nazi expansion, war crimes, destruction of Germany's union movement, and human rights violations such as the use of slave labor. And they...
Wait a minute... did you just defend the boogaloo and Michigan militia fascists???

I am determining who is "far right".

"Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

"Twenty-Five Points, called for the nationalization of corporations and trusts, revenue sharing, and the end of "interest slavery." Capitalism, the Nazis charged, "enslaves human beings under the slogan of progress, technology, rationalization, standardization, etc."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... story.html

How is Hitler a freedom loving, capitalist, anti-government far-right type?

He sounds like Bernie Sanders.

When the far right talks about "freedom" from government, what they're referring to is freedom from regulation of business for the rights and safety of the consumer, labor and the environment, and freedom from civil rights legislation that says the majority has to treat the minority as human beings. Creatures like the boogaloos and the Michigan militia want that definition of freedom which would hurt and oppress anyone outside of their group of white evangelical far right conservatives.

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10 Oct 2020, 8:33 pm

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It seems fair to say the right wants less government (more freedom).

Of course the right wants a smaller government but who says small governments lead to more freedom? The reason the right wants a smaller government is because they want the same amount of power (if not more) concentrated into a smaller group of people.

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10 Oct 2020, 9:29 pm

the ultimate goal of small government is a private sector run by warlords who "defund the police" and have goons and militia who run a semi-fuedal fiefdom where they make the laws.

Under such a system only the wealthy are able to live in fortressed towns and those outside of protected zones are fodder for slave labor (assuming they are able to survive the dog eat dog world without any form of public protection/support).

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11 Oct 2020, 3:01 am

I believe this summarizes much of the discussion on the preceding pages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

The "less government" conception of the right also seems somewhat simplified, too me.

I see a tendency - in the US, at least - for left-wing politicians to advocate for greater government role in economics affairs, while right-wing politicians advocate for greater government involvement in civil affairs.

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11 Oct 2020, 3:42 am

GGPViper wrote:

I believe this summarizes much of the discussion on the preceding pages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

The "less government" conception of the right also seems somewhat simplified, too me.

I see a tendency - in the US, at least - for left-wing politicians to advocate for greater government role in economics affairs, while right-wing politicians advocate for greater government involvement in civil affairs.

That seems much too simple as well though, because there's definitely authoritarian centrists as well.

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11 Oct 2020, 4:40 am

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That seems much too simple as well though, because there's definitely authoritarian centrists as well.

Picky, picky.

Everyone's a critic these days, it would seem.

OK, then:

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11 Oct 2020, 10:49 am

Yes, that far center position is rarely discussed...

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11 Oct 2020, 11:16 am

GGPViper wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

That seems much too simple as well though, because there's definitely authoritarian centrists as well.

Picky, picky.

Everyone's a critic these days, it would seem.

OK, then:

Strange-looking horseshoe.

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11 Oct 2020, 12:47 pm

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So, you are an anarchist.

I am autistic, 1/2 human / 1/2 robot.

My robot side is trying to determine the classification for "far right".

Historically it's referred to nationalists and traditionalists. Conservative and reactionaries often have different interpretations of those ideas (nationalism and traditionalism), but that doesn't mean only one or the other can claim to be rooted in them.

Libertarians exist on both the right and the left. The definition you keep using for the right appears to basically be the definition of libertarianism.

Being pro-capitalist doesn't inherently make one 'right wing', being anti-capitalist has never made one not part of the right.

Boogaloo and Michigan milita are labeled "far right".

These groups advocate two things: pro guns, and anti-government.

Boogaloo: "The movement consists of pro-gun, anti-government groups"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement

"The group was formed in response to perceived encroachments by the federal government on the rights of citizens. It is part of a wider militia movement"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia

So, it seems like simply advocating for smaller government makes one "far right".

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11 Oct 2020, 12:58 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

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Jiheisho wrote:

So, you are an anarchist.

I am autistic, 1/2 human / 1/2 robot.

My robot side is trying to determine the classification for "far right".

But they are not "simply" advocating for smaller government. You should actually read the sources you linked to.

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11 Oct 2020, 1:21 pm

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But they are not "simply" advocating for smaller government. You should actually read the sources you linked to.

"Middlebury's CTEC, "the way we know the 'boogaloo' movement is a far-right movement is because they draw a line directly from Waco and Ruby Ridge"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement

If you know, why not just tell us?

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11 Oct 2020, 1:27 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

But they are not "simply" advocating for smaller government. You should actually read the sources you linked to.

If you knew, why did you try to deceive us?

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11 Oct 2020, 3:42 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

So, you are an anarchist.

I am autistic, 1/2 human / 1/2 robot.

My robot side is trying to determine the classification for "far right".

They don't really advocate for smaller government, they'd happily expand ICE and don't mind using violence against their political opponents with a wink and a nod from Donnie T. How exactly can one claim to support a smaller government when they're also interested in becoming part of how the government stifles dissent?

These wanna-be SA men clearly are in favour of expanding the government to include brownshirts. It appears when they talk about small government they're just lying because they work towards having bigger and more brutal government that just simply does less for the average person.

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11 Oct 2020, 10:15 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

That seems much too simple as well though, because there's definitely authoritarian centrists as well.

Picky, picky.

Everyone's a critic these days, it would seem.

OK, then:

Strange-looking horseshoe.

I think its the ring of Mordor :lol:

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11 Oct 2020, 10:19 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

That seems much too simple as well though, because there's definitely authoritarian centrists as well.

Picky, picky.

Everyone's a critic these days, it would seem.

OK, then:

Strange-looking horseshoe.

I think its the ring of Mordor :lol:

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11 Oct 2020, 11:10 pm

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If you knew, why did you try to deceive us?

Maybe we can learn from your wisdom?

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