2020 Election Fraud Roundup

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"Now that we have seized the servers for Dominion that were over in Germany, we're starting to get some raw data off of that... I want everyone to listen to me, the things that are going to come out will shake the globalists to their very core. When President Trump is declared the winner of this election, what we saw last weekend with Trump supporters getting attacked in DC. That's nothing. These people are coming for every city and every suburbs..."

"Some of the raw data coming off of this is showing clear examples of how votes were being switched by an algorithm in the software... that's why you saw even the New York Times' own data tracker on election night within 68 seconds [Mikah note: oddly specific, I think someone is actually doing real analysis] Trump went from being ahead by tens of thousands of votes in Wisconsin to all of a sudden being behind by tens of thousands of votes..."

Interesting, if true. I'm not sure what to make of the server seizure in Germany. It looks to be a real event, but whether it is directly related to the latest election, I'm not sure. Some are saying it was a separate case.

There were rumours of some server(s) being seized in Germany over the weekend, but I hadn't been able to find anything to support them, so hadn't posted anything.

I'm still not certain they are anything ouside of rumours based on what I have seen (Supposedly "Scytl" servers, somehow linked with Dominion, according to the rumours I had come across), and I'm not sure how accurate the person on this video is\whether they are providing "first-hand" knowledge, or just passing along these earlier rumours, but I'm sure that if this is true we will hear more from other sources in the next week or so - There is a limited window available for the information from them (should they have been seized) to be released and used in any court cases which would impact on the election challenges, which would be the most likely use for it.

The only German servers to be seized are likely those of Deutsche Bank AG -- the German lender famous for being the only institution that would loan Mr. Trump money while everyone else treated him like a pariah, and that presumably knows more about Mr. Trump's finances than anyone outside the Trump Organization.

The Trump Organization was trying to obtain loans from the bank for the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Florida and the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago.  In the wake of the financial crisis, Trump had defaulted on a loan from the bank for the Chicago property, and in an absurd move even for him, filed a lawsuit against Deutsche, claiming it had caused the global financial crisis and "engaged in predatory lending against him".  The bank promptly countersued, and the case was eventually settled.  Having been burned by the bankruptcy king in the past, Deutsche initially balked at the idea of lending the Trump Organization its requested $100 million, at which point Ivanka Trump, the point person on the discussions, suggested her father would guarantee the loans with his personal assets.

That got Deutsche listening, but it insisted on performing "due diligence" first; and because Trump’s tax returns apparently contain information on par with the Pentagon Papers, their appraisal was carried out in a slightly unorthodox fashion -- the bank sent a team to the office of the Trump Organization's chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, who allowed the bankers to see relevant parts of Trump’s tax returns and take notes.  However, the bankers were not allowed to make copies of any of the records to take with them.

It is as though the returns contain information that will make Trump look bad!

One can certainly hope so!

Rudy and co. coming out guns blazing.

... and firing blanks.

Hehe. Might want to check your own equipment.

"This morning we are withdrawing our lawsuit in Michigan as a direct result of achieving the relief we sought: to stop the election in Wayne county from being prematurely certified..."

https://twitter.com/davidshepardson/sta ... 7146407938



Thanks for proving a perfect example of the phenomenon Trump described as "the facts are true, the news is fake".

Oh, well, if RUDY said it, it HAS to be true! He would't lie! Again!

Rudy Giuliani is so far past getting caught red handed with his pants down, he's now moved on to been caught with his red hand down his pants.

I'm not sure anyone (in general) knows what is going on to be honest. They voted to certify, then they withdrew, but then the county said its not possible to withdraw?

Team Trump may very well be putting forth this statement to save face and claim a win where one does not actually exist. Or somehow the certification will be undone though no one is suggesting how (in the news).


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/trump-campaign-drops-michigan-election-lawsuit-rudy-giuliani-says.html

I guess we will see what happens next. On to the statewide certification board.

^^^THIS^^^

Pigeon chess. Knock over all the pieces, crap all over the board, strut around like you won.

Technically they did get what they wanted, I suppose - fostering doubt in the system, and riling up his base for free money "frawd hunting money".

Basically, it was 90 minutes of re-hashing the same old de-bunked lies, rumors, and conspiracy theories.

Uncle Rudy really gave Uncle Donny his money's worth this time!

Interestingly, the law firm whose associate left the voicemail is now seeking to withdraw from the case...
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/147/127057/15517440455.pdf

Whey even bother quoting me if your response in no way addresses anything I've said?

What exactly is your criteria for "interesting"?

Personally, I find PROOF interesting. REAL proof. Talk is cheap.

While Dominion Voting Systems are busy closing offices and their employees are busy scrubbing their work histories if not their entire internet presences... the more technically minded might be interested in this thread. Archived here.

The problem with this level of scepticism and paranoia lies in maintaining it equally across the board.

If you are suspicious of Dominion then you also need to be equally suspicious of very convenient stories like that one.

If we believe Dominion could be corrupt then we also need to believe that articles supposedly incriminating them could have been planted / fabricated. If we're willing to ignore that possibility (i.e. we're deliberately taking everything at face value, without question) we'd be misguided to ignore the possibility Dominion haven't done anything wrong.

Especially as that's what most credible, politically neutral sources have concluded:

Reuters link

Second Reuters link

Now the age old conspiracy comeback is, of course, "Well that's what THEY want you to think!". But that works both ways round as well. What if the real con here is Trump riding roughshod over the democratic process, making false allegations and deliberately destroying faith in the voting process, stirring up civil unrest, clinging onto power for as long as possible so he can bugger things up for Biden to the greatest possible degree, and turning a profit from donations to the legal fund? In which case falsely claiming Dominion are crooked is exactly what THEY want you to think, isn't it?

There are people coming forward signing affidavits that the the elections were sabotaged. I think that means something as people would not swear under oath to this, unless they really are crazy.

However, assuming they are telling the truth, I don't think it was a big conspiracy with several states working together. I think a lot of individuals tried to sabotage on it each on their own, without a big conspiracy communication.

Or they're being paid a huge amount of cash to lie?

There's still no watertight evidence of deliberate fraud, just the normal level of individual machine and human errors. Yes those MIGHT in some cases have been knowing and deliberate, but it's very hard to prove. Also the errors uncovered so far don't appear to have had any impact on the overall result.