Are people too self-righteous for refusing covid vaccines?

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This article is from June 28. Back then they were hoping for a vaccine that would be at least 70% effective. Very recently the companies working on the vaccines have reported excellent effectiveness--greater than 90%! I don't know what percentage of the population must get vaccinated to obtain "herd immunity" with a vaccine this good...but I do know I hope as many people as possible get vaccinated because the life you save might be mine, or my bride's, or one of my many friends my age, or even my impressively-old-but-still-alive Dad. (And, who knows, maybe the life you save will be someone close to you, or even you yourself!)

I just saw an interview of Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, on TV. He said in their trials so far about 10% of the people vaccinated had side effects--but they were not serious, they were like having a fever for a day. He thought that, under the current circumstances, having a fever for a day wasn't so horrible.

And I am pretty sure I won't catch autism from it.

I'd take the vaccine as long as it's not made with cells from aborted babies.

If you want to take the vaccine, then take it. You'll feel safer. If you don't want to take it, then go it at your own risk. If anything happens to you, it's the choice you made.

What I don't understand is this mentality that EVERYONE must take it. If you've decided to take it and feel you're safe, what's it to you if someone else didn't take the vax? If they get sick and worse, it's on them, but will have NO bearing on your health (since you've now been vaccinated).

Why is there such a desire among many to control individual liberty?? Again, if you believe the vaccine works, and if you've taken it, you're safe.

If you prefer potential lives to actual lives, there's something wrong in your thinking.

Obviously everyone should take the vaccine. I'm scared of vaccines and I'm taking it. I don't want to risk the lives of people who might genuinely have reasons not to. The genuine reasons I'm talking about are health reasons.

I've decided to go out afterwards. Go to the dr then go out for a milkshake or something to say 'well done' and also celebrate all this being over. My family have been very cautious during the coronavirus epidemic & it will also be a celebration of us getting our freedom back.

Pfizer tested people 1 week after the 2nd shot.

ONE WEEK.

So, 1 week after the 2nd shot, the vaccine is 90% effective.

2 weeks? 2 months? No one knows long term effectiveness.

There is no proof these vaccines even work.

They did 1 trial study.

They *assumed* people who did not get the virus , because of the vaccine.

However, it's possible , that many people in their trial sheltered, wore a mask, and that is why they didn't contract the virus.

So, the actual effectiveness could be low if people stop sheltering and wearing a mask.

Even though they are getting good results, they do not claim the vaccines are 100% effective. They were hoping for at least 70% and are ecstatic that they're getting 90%+.

Which means your vaccine isn't just to protect you. It is to protect everyone.

People who had COVID-19 have gotten reinfected later. So, the virus can continue moving around in the human population as long as infected people are able to infect other people.

Masks, social distancing, and lock-downs are very inconvenient for people, bad for the economy, and only partially effective. In the U.S., back in March and April when those measures were first recommended, they did not claim they would stop the virus. They were rather openly saying they hoped the measures would just slow the virus down enough that the hospitals would not be overwhelmed.
(Americans have mixed success in instituting those safeguards and the news tells us where that has gotten us. )

If enough people get an effective vaccine then there will be a much reduced chance of an infected person even meeting a vulnerable person, much less infecting them.

But that only works if a large enough percentage of the population is vaccinated.

Nothing is effective 100%.

People still wear condoms and I'm still going to get a vaccine.

90% is enough to be worth it.

Heck, 51% is enough to be worth it, although if it's only 51% I'll still take other precautions.

https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories ... ic-illness

The idea is that the virus needs to be completely eradicated.

And unless everyone and their cousin gets vaccinated, that's not going to happen.

I wonder if they're going to start vaccinating babies as soon as they're born.

There's absolutely nothing suspicious about that

https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2020/11/20/covid-19-vaccines-may-not-be-recommended-for-people-with-chronic-illness

"...The CDC cautions that anyone with a “weakened immune system, or has a parent, brother, or sister with a history of hereditary or congenital immune system problems” should talk to their doctor before being vaccinated. People who have had any other vaccines in the past 4 weeks should also consult with a provider first. ..."

Fair enough.

P.S. Looking through this thread I notice that some folk say they would refuse to get the vaccine because they don't know what is in it. Using that criteria there are a lot of things I could not eat or take. When you dine out you really don't know what exactly is in that meal. (What is in the meatballs? Meatloaf? Crab cake? Gravy? Soft drink? Colonel Sanders' secret recipe?) And even if you read the ingredients of your over-the-counter medications are you much the wiser?

I have yet to encounter people who are refusing to breathe until they know what's in the air.

[/quote] And even if you read the ingredients of your over-the-counter medications are you much the wiser?[/quote]
Sometimes not without postgraduate chemistry and pharmacology. Or at least 8 weeks of online research.

I say these things as a person for whom there are 3 known and common medications which can make me dead instead of cured. And Dad and his sister and I all have a history of sometimes odd responses to medications.

Moderna boss says COVID-19 vaccine not proven to stop spread of virus

On the Netflix Coronavirus series, they say the only virus that has been successfully eradicated is smallpox.

What?

I have spinocerebellar ataxia, which is a progressive, untreatable, and life shortening neurological disease. My son has a 50/50 chance of having it as well. Neither of us can take any new vaccine due to the risk of neurological side effects. My neurologist already told me he’d write me a note.

Some of us really can’t get these vaccines. Sorry.