People against freedom of speech and opinion more now.

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Language Is Culture; It Ebbs And Flows; Shrinks And Expands.

Group Think By Very Definition, Excludes Freedom of Expression;

Perhaps Not Legally; But for those Who Don't Have Tough Enough

Skin Or Are Afraid of Being Excluded From the Group; Shame And in

General, Fearful Measures, are Used to Restrict Freedom of Speech; Yes,

In Legal Ways too; That Do Make A Whole lot of Sense if We Are too Include

A 'Do Least Harm' Clause in The General Glue or Ungluing of Society into Something New

According to a Cross-Cultural Golden Basic Rule. In Other Words, this is surely nothing new.

And As Both Access And Opportunity

For Freedoms of Expression, A to Z And

More, Symbolically, The Information Age

Has Made Freedom of Expressions

And Receipt of Those Expressions

Freer than ever Before as

Most of the Folks

Likely cannot

Remember Here;

Yet, there was a day when

i Lived in the 60's that Using the Word Pregnant

On TV was Seen as Offensive and not Allowed...

And i "Dream of Jeannie's" Belly Button Way off Limits to

Even See; Overall, Our Freedoms of Expressions are Freer

Now than Any Day in History of Humankind And God Yes

The Avenues for Those Freedoms of Expressions Expanding Now;

Yes, Including Speech Are Freer More Than Ever Before, Overall;

Particularly, for those Folks Who Generate Enough Satisfaction

Within; Not to Need Affirmation From Other Folks; Yes Likes,

Follows, Shares, and Other Symbolic/Monetary External Forms of Reward and Award;

Yeah,

Hahaha

Even A Hi-5

And Oh My

God

You

Are

Legend

Dude with

A Grinding

Dance of Gift

too From the

"Ladies in the Room";

Just Finishing Another EPiC

60,000 Or So Words oF A Long Form

EPiC Poem Knowing That Everything

i Do; Makes It Harder to See; True that

Leaves me With More Hours to fulfill my Human

Potentials More Generating Colors Nuanced of Joy

Most

Folks

Have

No Clue

Exists for

They Depend on

Others to give them

Their Hi-5's And 100 Pluses of Life;

And Just Don't Put in the Individual

'Sweat' in Human Potentials to Create

The Levels of Life Satisfaction That Mountain

Climbers do too; but nah; i ain't risking my Life

For Heaven; As that is surely a Self-Defeating Death Wish
In itself; Yet, it is also True Combat Soldiers Often Desire to

Go Back into Life or Death Situations; Just to be on the Top of Life's Game...

So Many

Ways to do
It; Without Whining About

(Been There Done That too)

What We Cannot Do in Life;

In Deed, More Ways than Ever

For those 'Novel Seeking' Enough

to Take Advantage of the Fruits of

Freedoms So Present And Available now...

There is No Way i Will 'Get Away' with Dancing
in Public for 14,177 Miles in 88 Months if it wasn't

For the
Fact
That

Eccentric

is the New

Rage; as 'The Bar',

The Limits for What

Stimulate Novelty are

So Far Above 'the Norm; Now,

For those who Desire to increase

Their Human Potentials Out of Buttoned

Up Old 'Queen Victorian Ways' of Straight

Jacket

Language, Yes,

Corseted Life too;

Nah, Nothing Wrong

With Tradition for

Those Who Enjoy

Restrictions in

Concrete Life that

Doesn't Change

Much Either;

The

Point is Providing Avenues

Where 'Both Kinds' of Folks And So Many

More Will Be Able to Pursue Life, Liberty, and

Pursuit of Happiness, With Least Harm to Others

And Impediments to Achieve their Human

Potentials Now Unless they wanna Just be

A Spectator in Life; Slave to Someone

Else's Work/Play; A Target Audience to 'Sell' 'Their Goods' to, too...

So many folks have No Clue, to the Depths of How they Clip Their Potential Wings;

'Best' in complaining About

What they Don't

Have And What

They Otherwise Will

Pursue Spreading Their Wings More...

The Necessity it is to Survive 'These' Days,

Having to Make Money is indeed for most

Folks the Most limiting 'Occupation' That Restricts

All Human Freedoms of Expressions; Yet of Course for

Some Folks, They would Just Spend the Money if they Have

It on

Cheap

Quick Fix

'Pills' And 'Behaviors'

In Life for Just a Step up

To the First Rung of the Ladder to Heaven Within...

As Indeed, Enjoy the Struggle; If One Always Gets

Their Way of Instant Gratification, They Miss Out

On the Reality That Intermittent Gratification is

What We Are Evolved in Reward to Experience Life Thriving Most

Fulfilling; So Yes, There is the Freedom of Expression and Speech of 'BootCamp'

too, Even if You Have Never Been in the Military, DIY; Even if You Have No Desire

to Get

In Life

Threatening

Siutations to Climb

Higher In Potentials

of Human Freedoms of

Expressions; of Course, including

Speech Like this; as i've already

Gone on too Long; and Must

Be Careful

Not to
Test
the Limits
of Freedom of
Expression within
What the Tradition

Of a 'Wrong Planet'

Will Accept for the 'Culture' Here;

i surely do attest that Freedom of

Expression is allowed here more than

Ever Before; Just for the Fact that i exist here now with smiles...

Chances

Are there

Is no one

who Exercises

Freedom of Expression

More than i do in Terms

of Steps and Words For sure; hehe

So Yes in a 'Big Way' At least too Big

For Most Folks to See, Even if they wanted

to; i am sort of a Weathered Expert on Freedom

Of Potential and Testing the Limits of What Human Potentials are....

Hehe, No need
to Provide
Details,
At
This
Point more
It Seems with SMiLes
As Love Potentials

Also An Area
of Expertise

in Written
Testimony
in Response of
Course Available
Upon Request for Quotes...

As It's True You Don't Come

To the 'Wrong Planet' Unless One

Has the Evidence or again, Is Just too Big to Reasonably see...

And Indeed this works out almost "Perfectly" as Flow Requires

No Distraction and Laser Focus; Yet, As An Empath i've Always

Reciprocated

Communication

Again that's Not My

Problem in Social Reciprocal

Communication; Hehe as Long

As the other Person Starts the Discussion, hehe...
As Monologues; Long Just Another Part of Some

Forms of Asperger's Syndrome Where Others just Do Twitter

Again, Different Shorter and Longer Strokes of Swimming and

My God Scrolling Up and Down through Over a Hundred Thousand

Words And Hundreds of Photos a Day Multiple Times With 40 Miles

of Public Weekly Dance or So; Energizer Bunny Fingers And Toes Will Go Go Go

More that usual....

Use or

Lose

It's

How

The Game

Of Life is

Played
More

or Less
Yet There are
Turtles Who Are Rabbits too...

For the Longest Fastest Runs of

Life in Balance As Planets Orbit Stars...

Just to Get Away And Be Free Yet We

Stay Connected We Planets And Stars....

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I would say that the term political correctness is actually used by the rightwing to label anything, from facts to opinions, that they do not like as only correct for political reasons. With certain implications attached.

"A trans woman is a woman." = Political Correctness
"A Trans woman is a man." = Actual Correctness

Some would even say that all races being equal is political correctness. Or again just labels for standard to not be a douche that the right does not like, given the same level of importance.

I do think that it has become increasingly misused from the intended use of someone in political having decided that certain facts are wrong. Such as going by the USA election recently, an actual case of political correctness should be that Donald Trump had not lost yet, and by a lot at that. Donald Trump has told so many false facts in his time of political power, and an equal level of power of propaganda that he could still label the actual facts that he did not like as political correctness. It essentially became actual political correctness to call all facts they did not like as political correctness or fake news.

Political correctness is not a label something should be put for things back up by scientific study, but the rightwing have increasingly pushed this, along with creating their own studies funded by dirty money. An example of this would be climate change being backed up by science, and the oil industry's fight against these facts.

As for fights against freedom of speech being more now than never, I think that you have to be looking at the past with rose tinted glasses to think a lot of the past was super free in terms of people being allowed to say whatever they wanted without consequences. And while yes you can get cases where people are unfairly targeted with little evidence to wrongdoings, I think you are more likely to see that used against people, I think it is far outweighed by the fact that facts are much more readily available now.

How long ago do you think someone could have been canceled if they admitted to being gay or even supported gay people?

Trump has certainly cancelled people for not pushing his lies hard enough.

I was saying that freedom of speech has its limits and is governed by the context.
As Fnord pointed out, shouting "FIRE" in a theatre is not on.

I was also making the point that not all social systems embrace integrity.
Well, actually, I think most don't.

Peter Ridd was viciously attacked for pointing out the *truth* about how his co-worker ignored the correct procedures when assessing the health of The Great Barrier Reef.
The person he was referring to was following the left-wing narrative, rather than embracing professional integrity.
Peter Ridd was punished unjustifiably, imo, by the university, for pointing this out.

Well I just feel that the consequences have gotten out of hand, and people are being punished for having opinions or saying things that aren't even hate speech.

The Great Barrier health issue for example. No hate speech or hateful opinions towards any groups of people there...

"Freedom of speech" means the right not to be arrested, jailed, or fined for things you say (at least within very broad limits; see Fnord's post here about things not protected by freedom of speech).

It doesn't mean that everything you say is socially acceptable.

Within my lifetime, there have been substantial changes as to what kinds of things are socially acceptable to say. There have been changes in both directions. Some previously unacceptable things are now considered acceptable, while, at the same time, some previously acceptable things have become unacceptable.

The process of change can be awkward, especially for older people who grew up with one set of rules, only to discover that the rules have changed. And sometimes the new rules get carried to ridiculous extremes, it seems to me.

Nevertheless, it seems to me, overall, that the new rules are better than the old rules.

They have a corporate bias, and as a corporate bias that wants advertising bucks it has to not be allowing deliberate misinformation of well documented facts and dangerous conspiracy theories. It is telling that the not dangerous conspiracy theory such as that there was a huge amount of voter fraud is somehow a leftwing narrative.

This is like ridiculous standard of saying that facts backed up on actual evidence and fascist conspiracies should be treated the same.

There are a$$holes on both sides of the political divide.



We will have to agree to disagree, on this point.
Unless I can intimidate you, with this scary emoji, to change your mind.

What are you talking about here? Who got punished, and how, for saying what about the "Great Barrier health issue"?

I told my husband to not ever say on Twitter "You are not a woman until you get that surgery" because that will be taken as hate speech and an attack against trans people. They will suspend his account or shadow ban him. He may not see this as hate speech but it will be taken that way on Twitter and that Tweet will be reported and Twitter will side with it.

Well on a side note, why do people take twitter seriously? Twitter is just a joke, that wants to ban people for saying anything, so why do people still take it seriously, as if their is some redemption left in it?

If you say things that make you seem like an as*hole people will treat you accordingly. That's not a violation of one's freedom of speech.

I can't think of any. Can you give an example, or two?



Terms/correctness *continually* changes, and I, personally, can't keep up with it.

Also, there are people *literally* sitting down, with the intention of finding fault, to allow them to engage in virtue signalling.
I find this disgusting.



While I agree in many situations, overall, we will have to agree to disagree.

True, and the MAGAs cancelled Fox News for reporting that Joe Biden had won the election.

I don't use Twitter.
I am not a twit, after all.

But I have heard too many things, from people I respect, not to see Twitter other than a social sewer, and largely a left-wing echo chamber.

A$$holes on both sides of the fence, yes.