What Will Happen When You Die?
I didn't really come that close, probably. But I wanted to believe so bad.
That's one of the biggest hurdles with any conversation on the topic - people are usually stuck to one side or the other of either really really wanting it to be true or really enjoying dunking on people who seem to not believe in junior high science. Neither seems to go much farther than indulging their feelings. It's almost like actually taking a shot at figuring out what there is or isn't evidence of without it being 100% or 0% is seen as inappropriate. It doesn't just remind me a little of party politics - it's probably worse.
The worst possible time to have these discussions is when one is experiencing deep emotional pain. We don't see things clearly when our sole focus is alleviating sufferring.
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I created a video on this subject but utube blocked the music I added to it.. nevertheless.. I still have the text that I took from Buddhism.. the Bible.. and Hermes.. and I created a remix.. to demonstrate different spiritual viewpoints.. but all singing from the same hymn sheet... I called it - We Shall Be Changed..... but Men in Error Speak of Their Changes as Destructions and as Deaths - because CHANGE in all 3 examples was the operative word.. AND ENERGY IS NEITHER CREATED.. OR DESTOYED.. IT JUST CONTINUALLY CHANGES ITS FORM.. Shame about the missing sound-track though.. the visual and sound presentation was excellent..
"Where is thy self?" asked the Buddha.
All compound things are transitory:
they grow and they decay.
"Thy self to which thou cling to is a constant change.
Years ago you were a small babe; then, you were a boy;
then a youth, and now, thou art a man.
Is there any identity of the babe and the man?
There is an identity in a certain sense only."
Identity and Non-Identity 56
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'Nevertheless, someone will say: "How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?"
Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
1Corinthians 15:35 52
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"Concerning Soul and Body, son, we now must speak; in what way Soul is deathless, and whence comes the activity in composing and dissolving Body. For there's no death for aught of things that are.. that No One of Existing Things doth Perish, but Men in Error Speak of Their Changes as Destructions and as Deaths
For death is of destruction, and nothing in the Cosmos is destroyed. All things in Cosmos are parts of Cosmos, and most of all is man, the rational animal.
Doth then this life not perish?
Hermes: Hush, son! and understand what God, what Cosmos is, what is a life that cannot die, and what a life subject to dissolution.
Yea, understand the Cosmos is by God and in God; but Man by Cosmos and in Cosmos.
The source and limit and the constitution of all things is God."
Hermes Trismegistus - Corpus Hermeticum
And.. if GOD is EVERYTHING.. then we ourselves are GOD... and.. the Bible says so.. so it must be true..

See Psalms 82:5 and then see Jesus quoting Psalms 82:5 in John 10:31.. teaching man and God are one and the same.. Jesus was the godman.. leading us... by example..
“Every church is a stone.. On the grave of a god-man: It does not want him to rise up again.. under any circumstances.” - wrote Nietzsche - "The Übermensch ("Beyond-Man," "Superman," "Overman," "Uberman", or "Superhuman") is a concept in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche... It is a work of philosophical allegory."
I love the poetic delivery of these great thinkers.. their words are so beautiful.. they make me want to go back and drink from their mouths.. again and again.. the waters of eternal life..
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"And it came to be pretty in its greatness, in the length of its foliage, for its root system proved to be over many waters." - Ezekiel 31.7
Death, one of my Favorite Subjects; Yes,
in Fact, Number One For Several Years then
Enduring the Worst Pain Known to Humankind
From Wake to Sleep For 66 Months; True Life is
Not Fair 'Little one' From the Lion King Movie
And the 'Scar Version of Jesus' Hanging
As 'Judas' Bleeding Most Even More
The Thief on the
Next Cross over
No little 3 Day
Gilligan's Tour
of Hanging on a Cross For
me my ordeal assessed
In Literature As Worse than the
The Torture of Crucifixion that
No Drug would Touch for 66 Months
Again From Wake to Sleep closest Analogy
A Dentist Drill With No Novocaine Except
in My Case in my Right Eye and Ear that
Made Effective Use of Eyes an Ears
Intolerable Until i managed to
Withstand the Pain after 33 Months
on Thanks Giving Day of 2010 to Endure
A Mountain of Pain for Each Word Writing
A Few Inches from A Screen Light Turned all the
Way Down as Even the Focus Provided by Prescription
Shades Turned up the Pain to Beyond Tolerable For Real...
True my Fantasy for Years Just escaping that Pain Perhaps
Like that Day Two Years in the Spring where i Picked out a Tree
in A Deep Forest Road Miles Away from Home With a Metal Chain
From my Home Gym Work-Out Machine Getting a Job Done without
Mistake Far Enough in the Woods Where Only Vultures to Find me Finally
Feasting on the Corpus of my Body Giving my Life Some Meaning to Return
To Nature
Whole Again
And Naturally
This Way From
The Destination
of Summer Turning
Into Winter Last Day Once Again...
True Dreams of Sinking to the Bottom
of the Ocean Just to feel like Part of Nature Again too...
True.. finally figuring Out Who God Is All That is one Feels
And Senses of Reality for Real... the Kind of thing Folks May
Not Enjoy Now
Understanding
Quite the Same
Way as those in
Hell See it was really
Heaven All the Way
Even the Migraines
Such A Heavenly Pill On Earth
Saw my Mother Suffer Usually 'they' last
3 Days Without Food or Drink Modern Medicine
And Hospice Allowing A Terminal Patient to Go Away
Starving to Death From Food and Drink this way Yet the
Doctor Said even with the 350 Cholesterol She Refused to
Take Medication Before Her Strong Heart Carried Her all the
Way through 8 Days with No Food or Drink Recently Had an
Uncle at 88 Years Old Last 6 Days Some Folks Just don't
Go Away Early
They Suffer
A Bit More...
Death is A Blessing
As We Lost a Cat Close to
Now On January 29th, 2019 A Yellow
Boy and A Moby Big Grey Cat on February 2nd,
2016 My Mother Going to Her Death Bed on Valentine's
Of 2017 My Wife Only Burned Her Hand With An Epileptic
Seizure on a BBQ Pan in 2018; Yet not Losing a Finger spending
A Week in a Burn-Unit Driving to a Distant City to Be With her there...
The Nurse told my 48-Year-Old Wife then Honey i thought You were
A Teenager Sitting Up in this Bed True Sad when someone who looks so
Young
Suffers
True...
Yet True really
Made Still Retaining
Eternal Teenager Youth
Not a Bad Fortune Either Strikes
And Gutterballs Do come in this
Life of DarK Thru LiGHT Yet Fall
Dying Leaves Weathering A Home
of Winter Make Living Trees Bring
Grass Green in Spring So Summer
Flowers Will come in May Oh What
A Wonderful Life Death Makes True too...
Remembering the one Tear i had in that 66 Months
The Only Time my Legs, still Leg Pressing 500 Pounds then
Felt Strong When A Cat Sunny Boy, We felt sure was the Son of
Yellow Boy From the Woods Got in a Fight with a Black and White
Oreo Scrappy 6 Pound Cat or So From Around the Block Wounding
Him Bad Vet with
News of Kitty
Aids Danger
of Bringing Him
Back and Killing many
Other Cats in Infection if
He survived His Trauma of Injury at all...
The Grief; the Tear; A Glimpse of Living Again in Hell...
And True that Road to the Forest With the Tree and the Vultures
And the Chain that Morning in Spring of 2010; my Wife who never mentioned
the Named Road Before, Yes, Awoke from a Dream And Said She and Her
Deceased Granny Were Hanging Christmas Ornaments On A Tree on
That Very Road..
i had lost all hope
all magic in Life yet
True at Least someone
else had Magic in Life...
i didn't tell her about
The Chain in the Bicycle Basket
Until the Pain and Numb Went
Away Over 3 Years Later when
What the Doctors Who offered
No Prognosis for Recovery Described
As A Real Life Miracle Losing the Pain and
Numb of a Synergy of 19 Life Threatening Disorders
Total; Yes it's true there is Life after Death in Life Standing
On A Beach On July 19th, 2013 Becoming One With Sugar White
Sands, Emerald Green Waves, Swaying Sea Oats, Seagull Wings
Spiraling Around the
Sun, So What's Heaven
Like' All there's left to do is
Give and Share Freely Dance
And Sing Insuring We Harm the
Rest of Nature Least And Leave only
Happy Foot Prints That at least
Might Lead to Heaven
After We Leave
As Truly
There are things in Life
So Much Worse than Death
Where Burning Forever at
Least Would Make
Ya Feel
Like
Dying..
Instead of
Being No
Soul at All
True There
is such a worst
Place than dying
the Living Dead indeed...
i visit A Church Now And then where
The Folks Are Sure Heaven is After Death
or Hell as such Where Enemies Are Tortured
Forever by an all loving forgiving God that's truly
No More Rational than a "Majorie Soylent Green God"
And a Lot Safer than a Serial Killer As At Least They Kill
You and Don't Torture You After You are Dead At least not
Where one
Is aware...
It's Interesting
Watching Folks Bow
to A Hanging Statue With
Arms reached to Skies of Heavens
Chanting "We Are Not Worthy" We are
Not Worthy and this Life Now is Not what
You are supposed to Appreciate Most Now; Nor the
Folks in Your Life; Nor the Grass so Green Nor all
The Beauty on that Beach That came to Be Heaven Still Now That Day...
A Life That Worships Death
And Dead Folks Perhaps may
Only Sound Strange to the
Living Dead... at least where
i am From Where They are
Trying to Name the
Bridge that Goes
To my Beach Heaven
"Trump Bridge" i kid you not..
Yet You See.. This Heaven Breathes Within
This Same Heaven For Real i Give and Share Free Now...
No one will Take and Hoard From You What You Own Yourself within
to give and
share free
so Odd
to Folks who
Worship Dead things
And After Death as a Way of Life...
This Life and Death thing; it's all relative from Where ya Breathe...
i could tell ya, ya Live forever now in Heaven; Yet you'd have to come to see it for yourself
The Good News
Is it's Real this
Autotelic Flow
With Divine Frission
Greater than 10,000
Orgasms in Every Point
oF LiGHT From Head to
Toe Stars We Are Within
As Stars Above to See
This Light all these
Points of Life
The Particles
The Waves The Field
the Same Water Wave Ocean Whole...
True it's not so Bad finding Out You Are
God All the DarK And LiGHT Now And It's
Also True it's not so Good Either
Yet Given a Choice God
Might Have
in Being
Nothing
Or Everything
It's No Wonder
if God Does it all over
Again And We Live forever
Now Again Just for the Hell and Heaven of it again...
it's true
There are
Days Where
Hell is Heaven
And Heaven is Hell
Like the Year We Never Had
Winter in December i never missed
Hot Chocolate So Much then.. true it's the Paper Cuts
And Kitty
Purrs
That Make
Life Worth Dying For Again...
Just a Matter of Perspective This Eternal Breath now is...
And Perhaps the Ultimate Definition of Hell is coming
Back Forever Alive Believing Heaven is After Death
Twilight
Zone
Material
Still for real now
No doubt in all the
Colors and Shades Still of 'Orange Rot' Now..
In Golden Robes and Suits the Same Never
Quite Enjoying the Colors of the Rainbow New to Create....
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as i go through my 6th decade in this hellworld, i ponder the elysian fields more and more each day. i take tremendous comfort from such thoughts, and i often reread the following bit of wisdom by persian mystic Rumi written hundreds of years ago-
“I died as mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was human,
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die human,
To soar with angels blessed above.
And when I sacrifice my angel soul
I shall become what no mind ever conceived."
[Verse 1: Willie Nelson]
I was a highwayman
Along the coach roads I did ride
With sword and pistol by my side
Many a young maid lost her baubles to my trade
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade
The bastards hung me in the spring of twenty-five
But I am still alive
[Verse 2: Kris Kristofferson]
I was a sailor
I was born upon the tide
And with the sea I did abide
I sailed a schooner round the Horn to Mexico
I went aloft and furled the mainsail in a blow
And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed
But I am living still
[Verse 3: Waylon Jennings]
I was a dam builder across the river deep and wide
Where steel and water did collide
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below
They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound
But I am still around, I'll always be around and around and around and
Around and around
[Verse 4: Johnny Cash]
I fly a star-ship across the Universe divide
And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can
Perhaps I may become a highwayman again
Or I may simply be a single drop of rain
But I will remain
And I'll be back again, and again and again and again and again
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I feel we are socially wired not to think about death, to many stories told about life after death and all fake I think
My exact thoughts. Thanks for saying them
Socially people hide heavy topics and I never hear about death especially in public, while online they explore it avidly.
Yes people believe in a certain book about gods, like many others they used to believe too. And people desperately seek explanations for what they cannot understand and when they can't find one crisis happens and they make one up or seek what they find someone said and select it.
Fear of the unknown and of simplicity. Emotional needs. We must cope with the unknown and find peace within the truth. The world hides beauty as it is.
Religion - the only vice I had, no smoking, no alcohol, no coffee, and now Im off its effects. Much healthier, more accepting and loving lifestyle.
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I life my life as if I have another coming on its coat-tales largely fitted around where I left off. That's probably how it'll continue, and yeah - racking up those growth and development points.
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i had many dreams with my parents visiting me or me visiting my parents. in one dream they showed me a house they found for me in heaven, it was a bungalow but when i entered it, it was a mansion, as time/space behave differently in heaven than they do on earth. there were no electric light but despite a paucity of windows, there was plenty of non-localizable light inside, nothing was dim or shadowed. a holographic display showed up wherever i was at if i wanted to communicate with others wherever they were at, or i instantly was in their presence. sometimes i levitated and flew through the air like a soaring eagle, only i could soar upwards effortlessly. there was no sense of temperature, not hot or cold or warm for that matter - goldilocks, i guess. some places looked like office buildings filled with "bureaucrats" not unlike in a typical department of employment security, with abundant hanging plants. not many computers [except in some locations for recent arrivals, to make them feel more at home] but holograms would pop up here and there when necessary.
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This was an interesting 22 minutes of Sam Harris and Rupert Spira going back and forth about the non-dual experience vs. claims that the universe is mental (idealism) where both Sam and Rupert fall on different sides of the later. It's part of an hour and a half interview that Sam did with him recently so I'll have to tune in.
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Samuel Benjamin Harris is an American author, philosopher, neuroscientist, and podcast host.
Rupert Spira is an English teacher of the "direct path", a method of spiritual self-enquiry through talks and writing, and a notable English studio potter with work in public and private collections.
Please note that neither of these Wikipedia descriptions includes the words "Prophet" or "Reincarnated".
Please also note that the mere existence of their claims does not support their validity.
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Just A Quick Note:
Not All iN EXiSTeNCE Requires A Label...
Nor Does All of Essence Require Form...
Holy CR8P! i DiD IT! i ACTuALLY Wrote A Quick Note...
Now For the Rest of the
280 Characters...
The Rest
oF iT iS Also
MuSiC NoW YeT
Without A Sheet
Or A LeSSoN to See...(G^D)...
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Nor Does All of Essence Require Form...

HAha ACTuAlly Most of What i write
iN A "Depth of the Story" is With
one Finger With an iPhone laying
In Bed WHere Dozens of Twitter
Daily Size Stories From Dozens
of Totally Unrelated
Global Wide
Sources
Are Conjoined With Love
And What i've Come to Find
Is As LonG As Life Is Put ToGeTHeR
With Love Even Chaos Becomes MaGiC Hehe...
WHoLE 'Thing' About Living is Loving Life Enough to Accept Death
For the
Gift
We
Come to
Seek And Find NoW As Enough...
Anything Else Will Just Be Icing on
Cake i'll Leave THaT PoTeNTiaL Up to SoME Essence
Higher Up/Down Than me aS Ain't Complaining Now
To Any HiGHeR LeVeL SuPeRViSoR FoR NoW... heHe...

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