White privilege isn't real - Jordan Peterson

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I caused a car accident and traffic jam in Shanghai, because two taxi drivers were so eager to have me as their client, they didn't pay attention to each other.
Chinese people took pictures of themselves with me.
They were very polite, unlike in India, where they did the same thing, but didn't ask.

This a population based issue, not an individual one. All things being equal, if you are white, your outcomes will be better than if you are another race or ethnicity. It does not mean a Black person can't be rich or a white poor, it means if you are white, you have an edge.

No, because Asian is more than Chinese.

But what does that have to do with your premise that white privilege does not exist? The evidence shows otherwise.

If there's a colony on Mars where black people are dominant, does that make life any different for a black guy being killed by the police for no good reason in the US? Does that make it right?

I'm starting to wonder if you're actually serious here.

So, you are saying that you would have been given preferential treatment had you been applying for a job?

I think a lot of the fuss is about the belief that Caucasians are wealthy.

Here in Australia, there are some situations where, if you have Aboriginal heritage, you get preferential treatment.
It isn't carte blanche.

Why do you jump to the conclusion I don't believe 'white privilege' doesn't exist?
Did you miss what I said here?
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=394624&start=80#p8723881
And here?
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=394624&start=80#p8723738

I don't think the term was originally meant to be understood the way current SJW culture uses it.



Do you think the SJW mobs demanding that impoverished and disabled white people "check their privilege" bothered to look up the definition?

Ironpony has asked a perfectly good question.

Toadsnail, it is disingenuous for your side of this debate to appeal to individual incidents like “a black guy being killed by the police”, because this thread has clearly demonstrated that if anyone else talks about incidents that contradict your narrative (such as white guys being killed by the police or white people living in poverty), your side claims those incidents don’t matter, and that whites in the US still have the privilege simply by virtue of the fact that it was whites who founded the country. What’s more, people who moan about “white privilege” do not restrict their complaints to police brutality, they also complain about things like how there are too many white people in their history books or on their television sets, or petty complaints about how white people don’t get their names mispronounced as often as non-whites, and so on.

Hence the question: if it is “privilege” to merely have one group of people who make up the majority of faces in a society’s history books or television programs, then what is abnormal or intrinsically wrong about privilege, since other groups will have their privileges all over the world?

By the way, you don’t need to look to Mars to find a place where black people are dominant. You can just look at every country in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Well when it comes to movie entertainment for example, about people saying there are too many white people in the movies, is it black people who are wanting more, or other races as well?

Sorry, but if you look at what I quoted you stating that white privilege is doesn't exist because it is a contextual term and you call it a ideological idea of the left. But its relativity does not make it any less real. As far as your political bent, I am a social scientist, it is not a political or ideological concept (although it is used as one on both sides of the political spectrum, but unlike the right, the left does not deny it). Just like the basics of market economics is not a political or ideological concept, but people make it so. Not everything has to do with the right/left cultures wars. Why do you keep making it one?

Naturally, I am also certain you didn't started this thread because you disagree with Peterson.

I'm sorry, but he did not. It's not a matter of total points on some kind of global scoreboard. It's about the way how life is affected for real people in real places in real contexts.


That's besides the point. I've seen reports of white people falling into abject poverty in today's South Africa and receiving absolutely no help from the government, and, on the contrary, being actively discriminated against (those cases are relatively rare, simply by virtue of inherited money and social connections from the Apartheid era, but it seems to be a growing phenomenon). Does the fact that whites usually have the advantage change the fact that those social policies in South Africa may have gone too far? Absolutely not.

My point is that things must be taken in their own context. Context is everything. If you really think that's disingenuous, then no conversation is possible.

Also:

Don't do that. Just don't. I do not represent those people you're referring to and they do not represent me. I do not have sympathy for them.


That's an entirely different issue from whether privilege exists or not. See this previous post of mine:

viewtopic.php?t=387968&p=8717157#p8717157


I've done that (see previous posts in this thread). But apparently it wasn't enough to explain the obvious. Hence my suspicion that bad faith might be at play here.

@Pepe

You have to admit that, at the very least, you're a bit too aggressive at playing devil's advocate.

But I thought I was talking about real people, in real places, in real contexts. In the entertainment industry for example, a lot of people complain about white privilege. But it seems that in a lot of parts of the world, there are no white privilege in the entertainment industry. I watch a movies from India, and a lot of movies from Hong Kong, and South Korea, since they are too of my favorite industries. I have never seen white actors in any of those movies I watch, for example.

So it all seems to even out all over the world. And those are real movies, with real people in them.

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Okay I see how it is then... It's official. Thanks for the confirmation.

I didn't try working in China, because I don't speak the language, but I was in India for work at an Indian company. The Skype interview before getting the job, which was well paid, took about 20 minutes (admittedly, I had the necessary education, but there's a bunch of people who have that), they paid for travel expenses, I had a housekeeper and at tourist attractions, I was singled out and led to the secret side entrance that would allow me to jump the queue. At the bank, there would be a guy standing in line for me while I was waiting, seated. Cars were stopping for me so I could cross the street.
I didn't like it. The people there were treating humans according to a strict hierarchy and were making jokes about how the colour of the skin you were born with determines your life. I tried not to treat people according to the colour of their skin and be friendly and polite and it upset people in the middle of the skin-shade-hierarchy.