The Truth Behind Antifa?

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01 May 2021, 9:46 am

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There's nothing wrong with complaining.

You're right, there's not. I was being polite, what I really meant was "being a***holes about women".

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If you think what they did to America's downtowns last summer was "peace and love", then I suggest you read "1984" right away, so you learn what "doublethink" is.

I don't tend to follow what goes on in the USA but I never said I thought they were "peace and love" anyway, just that they fight fascism. I have however already read "1984".

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01 May 2021, 10:09 am

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I don't tend to follow what goes on in the USA but I never said I thought they were "peace and love" anyway, just that they fight fascism. I have however already read "1984".

In this case, I can understand you not knowing how much damage and destruction Antifa did to America. But it's great that you read "1984"; that book is doubleplusgood!

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01 May 2021, 10:26 am

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In this case, I can understand you not knowing how much damage and destruction Antifa did to America.

Yeah, I mostly know of them fighting against neo-nazis at punk gigs in the UK.

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But it's great that you read "1984"; that book is doubleplusgood!

Ha ha ha

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01 May 2021, 10:51 am

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Yeah, I mostly know of them fighting against neo-nazis at punk gigs in the UK.

That makes sense. Because Antifa lacks a central leader or an organization structure, every country makes it what they want it to be. In the UK, like you said, it's a fighting force meant to intimidate neo-nazis. But in the US, it's a leftist puppet of George Soros, set on destroying America through violence. They also work together with Black Lives Matter, another radical group with a more legitimate goal, which isn't the case in the UK. All these two Antifa groups share is the name and the logo.

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01 May 2021, 6:11 pm

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Uncommondenominator was saying that when right-wingers attack liberals, “liberals” is really a codeword for “Jews”. Now you are claiming that right-wingers use code-words to attack liberals?

Since right-wingers are obviously not shy about criticizing liberals, your post seems like a bit of a Freudian slip. Perhaps you would actually like to make criticism of liberals borderline illegal? Perhaps if you had your way you’d be working in some Ministry of Information constantly removing more and more words from the dictionary on the grounds that they were “right-wing” code-words for something else?

This thread is kind of surreal. Since antifa played a pivotal role in the George Floyd riots, I might have expected left and right alike to join in condemning them. Instead I’ve learned that not only are right-wingers bad people for even criticizing antifa, they’re bad people if they ever dare to criticize liberals, leftists, Democrats, the Trilateral Commission and Jeff Bezos too.

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01 May 2021, 6:13 pm

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MGTOW also gives misogynists a community to complain about women in. Antifa fights fascism but some of the people involved with it go too far.

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01 May 2021, 6:15 pm

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If you think what they did to America's downtowns last summer was "peace and love", then I suggest you read "1984" right away, so you learn what "doublethink" is.

I learned in primary school that Orwell's 1984 is not about communism. It's about how power corrupts people and how politics is used to suppress personal freedom. it applies just as much to the right as it does to the extreme left.

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01 May 2021, 6:18 pm

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In this case, I can understand you not knowing how much damage and destruction Antifa did to America.

Yeah, I mostly know of them fighting against neo-nazis at punk gigs in the UK.

In Australia our antifascist protestors are mostly educated/informed university students. The OP lives in a country where this movement doesn't have a presence nor are violent. Not sure why he's so scared of them??

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01 May 2021, 6:30 pm

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1984 Was about the Soviet Union

All of Orwell’s books were written with a message, and 1984 is no exception. He was one of the few literary voices on the left to recognize and speak out against the human rights abuses of the Soviet Union, and his fictional work draws heavily on the very real totalitarian regime of Joseph Stalin. The food shortages, government control of the press, militarization of culture, spying on citizens, and mass arrests and torture of supposed “enemies” were all part of life in Soviet Russia.

https://fee.org/articles/orwell-s-1984- ... a-classic/

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01 May 2021, 6:36 pm

cyberdad wrote:

OutsideView wrote:

Aspie1 wrote:

In this case, I can understand you not knowing how much damage and destruction Antifa did to America.

Yeah, I mostly know of them fighting against neo-nazis at punk gigs in the UK.

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Behind the left-wing Antifa movement that attacked Andrew Bolt

A broad-daylight brawl between commentator Andrew Bolt and apparent members of the anti-fascist "Antifa" movement have raised concerns about the safety of high-profile conservatives, particularly in Melbourne.

Present at a number of wild and violent clashes with right-wing extremists and police in recent years, the Antifa group claimed members of its "family" were responsible for Tuesday's attack on Bolt at a book launch.

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01 May 2021, 6:37 pm

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https://fee.org/articles/orwell-s-1984- ... a-classic/

Umm no actually. Orwell's point is that extreme political movements with followers who blindly believe what they are told can lead to authoritarianism and a dystopic society. In case you didn't know.

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01 May 2021, 6:39 pm

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

OutsideView wrote:

Aspie1 wrote:

In this case, I can understand you not knowing how much damage and destruction Antifa did to America.

Yeah, I mostly know of them fighting against neo-nazis at punk gigs in the UK.

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We are talking about a group of yahoos numbering a 10-20. Not thousands. And if it was Andrew Bolt who was their target then I'd join them :lol:

Let me assure you they are not after you or me....

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01 May 2021, 6:41 pm

1984 is not about the Soviet Union.

A nice summary from Wikipedia:

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Thematically, Nineteen Eighty-Four centres on the consequences of totalitarianism, mass surveillance, and repressive regimentation of persons and behaviours within society. Orwell, himself a democratic socialist, modelled the authoritarian government in the novel after Stalinist Russia. More broadly, the novel examines the role of truth and facts within politics and the ways in which they are manipulated.

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01 May 2021, 6:53 pm

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. Because it can be edited by anyone at any time, any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error are usually fixed after some time. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot constantly monitor every contribution. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for hours, days, weeks, months, or even years. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself.

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01 May 2021, 6:57 pm

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Beneath the black mask: inside Australia's anti-fascist Antifa groups

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01 May 2021, 7:01 pm

I don’t like fascists, either....but I don’t want a fascist dead, especially since a fascist might disavow fascism in the next minute.

Malcolm X disavowed black nationalism the last year of his life.

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