India’s covid-19 crisis is a dire warning for all countries

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04 May 2021, 11:46 am

Let's see what is said in India about caste and covid,

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Plague and COVID-19: An insight into the role of caste and religion during pandemics in India
The caste and lifestyle of various caste groups heavily influence the physical and mental health of the people and is a pan-India phenomena
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opi ... s-in-india

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There are a lot of articles being written about the role of caste and religion during the recent COVID 19 pandemic in India. But it will take time in turning it into documented files like it was done during the times of the plague.


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04 May 2021, 11:48 am

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... It's pretty gross that there are probably facilities in India (and elsewhere) that could be manufacturing vaccines that aren't because they're not allowed to/aren't licensed to/can't afford to etc. Big pharma would rather let Millions of people die than give away the recipes for their vaccines.
It is also very sad that India seems incapable (or unwilling?) of reverse-engineering their own vaccine-development process.  Maybe they are too honest to engage in such 'unethical' activity when their people are literally dying around them; but sometimes necessity should over-ride concern for ethical behavior.


Maybe they're not concerned?

They do operate under a Caste System. The ultra wealthy are leaving on $20,000.00 flights to the UK and UAE. The majority of those getting sick and dying are bound to be poorer "lower," caste people of no concern to the wealthy professional & political classes.


The hindus believe that those who are born in a low Caste deserve that status because they did bad in the previous life.


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04 May 2021, 11:56 am

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India's top health official, Rajesh Bhushan, refused to speculate last month as to why authorities weren't better prepared.  But the cost is clear: Many people are dying because of shortages of bottled oxygen and hospital beds or because they couldn't get a COVID-19 test.

Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's School of Public Health in the U.S., said he is concerned that Indian policymakers he has been in contact with believe things will improve in the next few days.

"I've been ... trying to say to them, 'If everything goes very well, things will be horrible for the next several weeks. And it may be much longer,'" he said.

The New Delhi High Court announced it will start punishing government officials if supplies of oxygen allocated to hospitals are not delivered.  "Enough is enough," it said.

The deaths reflect the fragility of India's health system. Prime Minister Narendra Modi's party has countered criticism by pointing out that the underfunding of health care has been chronic.
Source:  This Associated Press News Article. 

So it seems that, just like our own former president, India's prime minister is passing the buck on who is at fault for the lack of pandemic preparedness, and for his own slow and inadequate response as leader of the India's government.


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04 May 2021, 12:47 pm

More foolishness from the Indian sub-continent: Members of Prime Minister Modi's governmental bureaucracy endorse an ineffective folk remedy to treat Covid-19, instead of providing effective vaccines against it.

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Multiple Facebook and Twitter posts shared hundreds of times claim the World Health Organization (WHO) approved Coronil, an Indian herbal medication, as a Covid-19 treatment.  The claim was also shared in multiple Indian news reports.  The claim is false: while Coronil was approved as a Covid-19 treatment by Indian government regulators, it has not been certified as a coronavirus treatment by the WHO as of February 26, 2021.
Source:  This AFP News Article. 

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04 May 2021, 2:17 pm

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That's from this year? This is whatever the festival celebration day that people all attended during a pandemic that caused this Covid surge?

If so, WTF? How could people be so stupid? :? Maybe they took their pandemic advice from trump..

Shame that it likely killed a lot of people who didn't attend any of these things, as these maga rally types went back to their homes and communities and spread covid all over the place.


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04 May 2021, 2:23 pm

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...Complacency and underestimating Covid...
Somehow I am reminded of the U.S....44% have vaccination first-dose, 32% fully vaccinated. Vaccination rates dropping. Let's declare success and re-open! :silent:

I am thinking the same thing. Not that it will get that bad because a lot of people are vaccinated and we are not that overcrowded but a lot more people will die or become long termer disabled unnecessarly. Endemic COVID will not be like the endemic flu we have lived with because it is more deadly and there are a lot more long termers. The government can lift every restriction they want but just as there is a percentage of the population that will never mask wear, get vaccinated, and social distance there is a percentage of the population the are going to mask wear, social distance if not quarantine themselves for the rest of their lives. The percentage of that population will be a lot more in a permanent COVID endemic world. And the infuriating part is that paranoia will be somewhat justified. A society where a lot more people are not taking precautions will be more risky especially for vulnrable populations. This will be a permanent drag on mental health and the economy.


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04 May 2021, 2:37 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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That's from this year? This is whatever the festival celebration day that people all attended during a pandemic that caused this Covid surge?

If so, WTF? How could people be so stupid? :? Maybe they took their pandemic advice from trump..

Shame that it likely killed a lot of people who didn't attend any of these things, as these maga rally types went back to their homes and communities and spread covid all over the place.



Yes.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... d-19-surge


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This street alone has a population of a size of a town.

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2021/ ... BnAca2RmxU


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04 May 2021, 3:38 pm

India government press release dated May 4, it has links to releases on specific topics, including increased vaccine production.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1715950


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04 May 2021, 3:39 pm

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21 April 2021
India’s massive COVID surge puzzles scientists
The virus is spreading faster than ever before in India despite previous high infection rates in megacities, which should have conferred some protection.

Smriti Mallapaty

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01059-y

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Researchers in India are now trying to pinpoint what is behind the unprecedented surge, which could be due to an unfortunate confluence of factors, including the emergence of particularly infectious variants, a rise in unrestricted social interactions, and low vaccine coverage. Untangling the causes could be helpful to governments trying to suppress or prevent similar surges around the world.


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European countries such as France and Germany are also currently experiencing large outbreaks relative to their size, and nations including Brazil and the United States are reporting high infection rates at around 70,000 a day. But India’s daily totals are now some of the highest ever recorded for any country, and are not far off a peak of 300,000 cases seen in the United States on 2 January.


Well, let's look at Europe, https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/06/fra ... ases-surge

France and Spain ramp up COVID-19 vaccinations as cases surge
By Euronews with AP • Updated: 07/04/2021


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04 May 2021, 4:21 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
...Complacency and underestimating Covid...
Somehow I am reminded of the U.S....44% have vaccination first-dose, 32% fully vaccinated. Vaccination rates dropping. Let's declare success and re-open! :silent:

I am thinking the same thing. Not that it will get that bad because a lot of people are vaccinated and we are not that overcrowded but a lot more people will die or become long termer disabled unnecessarly. Endemic COVID will not be like the endemic flu we have lived with because it is more deadly and there are a lot more long termers. The government can lift every restriction they want but just as there is a percentage of the population that will never mask wear, get vaccinated, and social distance there is a percentage of the population the are going to mask wear, social distance if not quarantine themselves for the rest of their lives. The percentage of that population will be a lot more in a permanent COVID endemic world. And the infuriating part is that paranoia will be somewhat justified. A society where a lot more people are not taking precautions will be more risky especially for vulnrable populations. This will be a permanent drag on mental health and the economy.
I'm fully vaccinated but still fully concerned. The more people in the U.S. with COVID-19, the more chances there are for mutation. I agree that the same thing is true with influenza, but some of the COVID variants are apparently nasty--we'd be better off the fewer the slower they arrived. But complacency isn't going to get us that...


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04 May 2021, 4:55 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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... It's pretty gross that there are probably facilities in India (and elsewhere) that could be manufacturing vaccines that aren't because they're not allowed to/aren't licensed to/can't afford to etc. Big pharma would rather let Millions of people die than give away the recipes for their vaccines.
It is also very sad that India seems incapable (or unwilling?) of reverse-engineering their own vaccine-development process.  Maybe they are too honest to engage in such 'unethical' activity when their people are literally dying around them; but sometimes necessity should over-ride concern for ethical behavior.


Maybe they're not concerned?

They do operate under a Caste System. The ultra wealthy are leaving on $20,000.00 flights to the UK and UAE. The majority of those getting sick and dying are bound to be poorer "lower," caste people of no concern to the wealthy professional & political classes.


Yes the rich have fled to resorts in the gulf but the spike in infections in India have nothing to do with caste. For 2000 years caste keeps groups seperate through a process of endogamy and if anything keeps people apart

The bulk of deaths appear to have impacted northern Indian states hardest where local government is notoriously corrupt and resources for health are less available. Secondly social distancing in Indian society is almost impossible to maintain. This is largely due to high population density, ignorance but also lack of education on safe practices.

Indians are fairly resilient people so will get through this. I am sure their predicament is an opportunity for wealthy westerners to deride their society. Kind of like kicking their people when they are down. Russia has been helpful in supplying vaccines but it looks like the distribution isn't working.



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04 May 2021, 4:58 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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That's from this year? This is whatever the festival celebration day that people all attended during a pandemic that caused this Covid surge?

If so, WTF? How could people be so stupid? :? Maybe they took their pandemic advice from trump..

Shame that it likely killed a lot of people who didn't attend any of these things, as these maga rally types went back to their homes and communities and spread covid all over the place.



Yes.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... d-19-surge


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This street alone has a population of a size of a town.

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2021/ ... BnAca2RmxU


The Indian government isn't going to stop religious festivals.



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04 May 2021, 6:11 pm

Government is at fault.. but so are all the people - it's not as if they haven't had more than a year's warning not to do these things.. and here they are, doing exactly what they were told not to do.

It's unfortunate that Covid doesn't only maim or kill those who ignored public health guidelines.


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04 May 2021, 6:17 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Government is at fault.. but so are all the people - it's not as if they haven't had more than a year's warning not to do these things.. and here they are, doing exactly what they were told not to do.

It's unfortunate that Covid doesn't only maim or kill those who ignored public health guidelines.


It's like witnessing how the plague mowed through Europe some 500 years earlier.



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04 May 2021, 6:37 pm

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I am sure their predicament is an opportunity for wealthy westerners to deride their society. Kind of like kicking their people when they are down.

There is material about that nature of thing, and many, many, more topics, here,
https://www.youtube.com/c/IndiaInDetails/videos


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