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14 Jul 2021, 1:55 pm

It seems I can't ever discuss with right wing people (people who vote Conservative/Right), without them going to make strawmen attacks, personal attacks, slander and libel.

Even if all I do is to quote experts (scientists and scientific papers), they get angry and attack me.

Why is it that right wingers are bullies?

I think that bullies are not humans and deserve no human rights. Whether they be right or left or centrist.



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14 Jul 2021, 2:01 pm

Many bullies feel threatened by people who:

• Cite facts instead of fight.

• Think for themselves.

• Have their own opinions.

• Disagree with them.

• Are different in any way.

• Are happy.

On this website, it is easy to hit all these 'buttons' with a single post.


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14 Jul 2021, 2:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
Many bullies feel threatened by people who:

• Cite facts instead of fight.

• Think for themselves.

• Have their own opinions.

• Disagree with them.

• Are different in any way.

On this website, it is easy to hit all 4 'buttons' with a single post.


Agree.

That's why I don't think bullies should be allowed to exist in this world.

Since... always, I've been Pro Death Penalty for bullies.



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14 Jul 2021, 2:10 pm

Death penalty is a little harsh ... why not labor camps?  We could get Kim Jong Un to run them.


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14 Jul 2021, 2:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
Death penalty is a little harsh ... why not labor camps?  We could get Kim Jong Un to run them.


As long as they die because of hard labor, I'm for it.



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14 Jul 2021, 2:16 pm

I have no problems with people who may be conservative, as long as they're not bullies.
Same goes for atheists, left wingers etc.



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14 Jul 2021, 2:21 pm

Death is a bit harsh.
Maybe rehabilitate them Clockwork Orange style.


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14 Jul 2021, 2:26 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Death is a bit harsh.
Maybe rehabilitate them Clockwork Orange style.


People who bully, maybe once or twice in their lives may be rehabilitated.

But then, there's also those who always bully those whom they disagree with, even for minor disagreements, and simply got angry at them long time ago, and continue to bully them, and the victim can never say anything right in the opinion of the bully.

Those bullies are the ones I wish dead. The one's who make a scapegoat, and blame all their troubles on, for no logical reason.

For example, I hate Trump, because he's a bully, and because he stands for alot of things I disagree with.
But - there have been moments and policies of Trump, which I agree with (his anti-China and anti-Iran policies).

And I'm not afraid to show my agreement in the rare occassions when there's something to agree on.



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14 Jul 2021, 2:30 pm

After a little searching, I have to amend the list I posted above.  Many bullies feel provoked or threatened by people who:

• Appear weak or vulnerable.
• Are a different race, gender, or religion.
• Are always sad and withdrawn.
• Are overweight or underweight.
• Are smarter, more studious, or both.
• Are socially isolated or ostracized.
• Breathe.
• Cite facts and statistics.
• Cry easily.
• Disagree with the bullies.
• Disbelieve what the bullies say.
• Disobey the bullies' orders.
• Have a different appearance.
• Have a learning disability.
• Have a physical disability.
• Have an unusual name.
• Have different sexual preferences.
• Have few friends.
• Have their own opinions.
• Ignore the bullies.
• Lack social skills.
• Laugh at the bullies.
• Think for themselves.

Again, it is easy to provide a lot of these conditions with just one post on this website.


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14 Jul 2021, 3:38 pm

Be careful.
When you gaze long into “bullies”,the “bullies”also gaze into you.
I have no use for them.
Sadly some are that way because they are( were) bullied or abused at home.
I think it takes a bully to make one.


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14 Jul 2021, 7:06 pm

I don't think all bullies are right-wing, but there may be a correlation. I would think left-wingers are more likely than right-wingers to favour a social system that holds compassion in higher regard, for example looking after the poor, being more sympathetic to the plight of refugees, giving foreign aid, supporting human rights, protecting minorities from persecution - in general more strongly opposed to cruelty and inequality. Of course it's not absolutely clear cut, and sometimes a person's politics isn't perfectly reflected in their behaviour towards the people they meet. And even the terms left and right wing don't have perfectly clear-cut definitions.

My father had an intense hatred of bullies. I never found out why exactly. Of course it's natural that they would be hated. I can get pretty angry myself if I see anybody taking pleasure in hurting the innocent, and I don't have a very high regard for the notion that we shouldn't be too hard on bullies. I think executing them would likely be a step too far in most cases, but I'd like to see society round on them more vigorously than it does.

There's also the problem that you can't always simply label an individual as a bully. I think we'd find that a lot of us behave differently in different circumstance.

But it's sad that the OP seems to have experienced a lot of destructive criticism for expressing opinions. I don't see why so many people find it hard to debate issues with respect and courtesy. The trouble usually seems to happen when it's politics or religion.



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15 Jul 2021, 1:29 pm

Reminders:
Any personal attacks against you or any other members should be reported to the moderators.

Stereotypes and negatively characterizations against groups of people are not allowed attacks against ideas are. Statements such as Conservatives are dumb not supposed to be allowed. Saying conservatism is dumb is allowed.

Personal Attacks against public figures are allowed. It is done all the time in case you haven’t noticed. :D


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15 Jul 2021, 3:14 pm



There Are Two Ways

of Dealing With Bullies:

Victory or Vengeance, Yes,

Going to my 40th Year Class
Reunion, It Was Easy to See

What Happens to Bullies...

And Or Those With Bad Will Toward Others

They Fall As Cooperation Is What Makes Life

Less Stressful, And Longer Lived;

And Less Likely to Lead a Person
to Early Demise As Was the Case with
Each And Every Bully That i Saw at the

Class Reunion, Meanwhile, i operated on the
Principle of Overcoming Strife With Cooperation

IN VICTORY

THEN AND NOW;

i Still Haven't

Lost A Step

on my Youth

Since Age 21, in Fact, Empirically

Speaking, i'm 3 Times Stronger Now at

61, And i Was Very Strong at 21 too;

The Power of Love Overcomes

Just About Every Strife in Life;

Team it Up With Fearless And There
Are Far And Beyond Fewer Limits in Life than Before...

Wishing the Death Penalty on Bullies, is A Toxic Way of
Life, Not Much Different Than Being A Bully; It Harms Humans More
in the Long Run to Hold Feelings of Vengeance Against Other Human Beings...

No Matter
Who or What
They Do; It's Just

Biology 101; We Rise or Fall
With How We Feel and Sense Our Life NoW;

Now True, i was always At least Tall Enough,
Not to Be Physically Abused; i Might Look at it much
Differently, if that had been the case; yet Verbal Abuse;

Nah, Baby, Sticks

And Stones And The Such

Are All that Breaks my Bones now;

There are Lots of Faceless Avatar Gnats online

Just Harming themselves in the Longer Run More indeed...

As Class Reunions Continue to come it becomes less and
less Likely that the Bullies Will Be Participating in the 'Fun'...

i had a Blast at my

Last Class Reunion;

i Was literally the

Only one There not Uptight...

i Have All The Bullies to Thank
For That; i Developed my Own Free
Agency; Needing No Affirmation from others...

Obviously, This Varies, Depending on Make
And Model of Human Vehicle And Vessel of
Victory or

Vengeance

of Life...

Yet, Never the
Less, Ill Will, is Will Ill...

It Didn't Take Long For One of
The Worst Bullies of American

History to Go Down in Flames;

And Be Cursed With The Reality
That He is A Biggest Loser Now...

And The People Who Followed Him;

Those Who Fell To Death From the Ignorance
He Modeled And Still Do in A Deadly Pandemic...

Those Who Refuse to Get Vaccinated Still With
Their Children At Their Side; As Folks Do Continue
to Get Sick and Die, Children in Hospitals Ventilating too...

Don't Become Part of that Existence of Misery Loves Company;
in my Best Estimation of What Truly Works For Success; Victory
Wins Over Vengeance; We had A Hugely Bullying Female Captain of

A Base Coming in Screaming at People Who Didn't have the Blinds in Windows
Turned a Certain Way; Screaming at People Who Were Issued A Space Heater
in 40F Degree Weather Inside When She Turned the Heat off to Try to Win An
Energy Award for Her Hopes of Making Admiral; True,The Whole Experience Sunk

Me as it Did Other Folks

too; Yet Still, if i could

Ever Meet And Greet

Her Again Now So Free;

I'd Give Her The Biggest

Hug Ever For Helping to Make me

Stronger in Every Way A Human Could
Possibly Eventually Exist in my Form At Least;

It's Hard to Say Who Your Real Heroes Are in
Life; 'Devils' Could Be the Hero And Angels Could
Be the Ones That Lead You to Nothing You Could Become...

It Depends

On Your

Reaction Most;

Eventual Victory over Vengeance Indeed;

Make Them Amazed, Stretching Their Neck Up
To See Where You Go At the Level of Existence

They Catch

You

At

Next;

And Have

No Choice Yet

to Quickly Release you Indeed;

Perhaps Even Feeling Like the
Hero they Are to you, Now, Most Ironically...

It's Pretty Amazing When Devils And Angels Become FRiEnDS...

Meh, Just

Another View,

In my Case Victory Works Best...



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15 Jul 2021, 3:48 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
I think that bullies are not humans and deserve no human rights.


"I think that (group) are not humans and deserve no human rights."

I'm sure every bully thinks some variation of that to justify their need to punish or eliminate the thing they blame for all of their problems. It may be easy and satisfying to proclaim all bullies as evil monsters, and therefore it's ok to destroy them - making the "enemy" a "monster" is often used as a justification to "kill them all!" or similar - but bullies are in fact still people, like it or not. Most bullies are usually the victims of distorted thinking. Either they feel like they have no control, and seek to assert it somehow, or they blame another person or group for their shortcomings, and if they only got rid of them, things would be ok.

Bullying is real, and bad, and shouldn't happen. But it does. Stopping bullies from actively bullying is one thing. But continuing to punish them, or excessively punishing them, makes one no different, even if they hide behind the "moral" shield of only doing it to "monsters!" - conveniently labeled a such by yourself.

Eventually everyone becomes a potential "monster" in their mind. "They COULD be a bully, they just haven't bullied me YET!" and then the instant they defy you in any way, "I KNEW YOU WERE A BULLY! KILL HIM!"

This is very unhealthy thinking.



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15 Jul 2021, 4:50 pm

We've talked before about posting your various forms of death wish, thinkinginpictures, yet here you are again - but it's still offensive and still not acceptable on WP to wish death on any group for any reason.

It's also very, very unhealthy.
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