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28 Apr 2022, 4:41 am

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There is documented, objective, mainstream evidence that Iraq used chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iran during the 1980s.
And just WHEN did Bush start HIS war in Iraq? Exactly how many tons of chemical weapons were found during his war? When and where were they found, as well?
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Iraq did use chemical weapons . . .
Evidence, please?

Mere belief proves nothing.
And neither does shifting the goalposts. Evidence, or at least a strong indicator to it, was provided as you requested.


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28 Apr 2022, 8:06 am

No goalposts have been moved; they have just been painted in greater detail.

As indicated by the political cartoons I have posted previously, this "goalpost" has been firmly planted since before the red herring of WMD's in the Kurdish war was thrown down.

The assertion -- expressed or implied -- is that there were WMD's in Iraq that prompted Bush's war.  The fact that no WMD's have ever been found during or after Bush's war belies that assertion and implies that Bush's war was based on false belief.

However, if someone has irrefutable proof of WMD's in Iraq that prompted Bush's war -- something more concrete than "I believe" -- I would like to see it.



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28 Apr 2022, 10:43 am

I never said I supported Bush in his Iraq adventures, by the way....

I don't actually believe in war, period-----except in defense of your country.



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28 Apr 2022, 10:47 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I never said I supported Bush in his Iraq adventures. . .
No one has said you did.



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28 Apr 2022, 12:26 pm

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Interesting horseshoe situation: there were 4 Dems and 4 Reps voting against confiscation of Russian oligarch assets. I'm not familiar with the names but my newspaper says, they were the most hardcore progressivists and the most hardcore conservatives.
https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/ ... 0163299337


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28 Apr 2022, 12:39 pm

Sting
"Russians"
1985



In Europe and America
There's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets

Mr. Khrushchev said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too

How can I save my little boy
From Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie - we don't believe anymore!

Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us - me, and you
Is if the Russians love their children too



Written by: Sting, Prokofiev Sergej S
Album: The Dream Of The Blue Turtles
Released: 1985



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28 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm

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I hope the Russians love their children too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops


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28 Apr 2022, 12:53 pm

magz wrote:
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I hope the Russians love their children too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops
"You see, evil always contains the seeds of its own destruction.  It is ultimately negative, and therefore encompasses its downfall even at its moments of apparent triumph.  No matter how grandiose, how well-planned, how apparently foolproof of an evil plan, the inherent sinfulness will by definition rebound upon its instigators.  No matter how apparently successful it may seem upon the way, at the end it will wreck itself.  It will founder upon the rocks of iniquity and sink headfirst to vanish without trace into the seas of oblivion." -- Neil Gaiman, Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch

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29 Apr 2022, 7:38 am

A music nerd responds. :nerdy:

As Fnord pointed out Sting's song was inspired by a piece written by Prokofiev: the Lieutenant Kijé Suite, Op. 60 and specifically, the Romance (at 4:10 in the video).
It's probably better known for Kijé's Wedding at 8:18, or the Troika, at 10:54



0:00 - Birth of Kijé
4:10 - Romance
8:18 - Kijé's Wedding
10:54 - Troika
13:39 - The Burial of Kijé


We now return you to your scheduled broadcast...


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29 Apr 2022, 3:58 pm

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Outright lies----with the truth staring them in the face.


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Quote:
"MI6 and CIA were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... wmd-claims



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29 Apr 2022, 4:53 pm

Sting re-recorded an acoustic version of "Russians" in 2022, with guitar and cello.



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30 Apr 2022, 6:02 am

That's quite moving, and even better.
Thanks.


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30 Apr 2022, 10:40 am

You are welcome.

While I do not let YouTube do my thinking for me, some parts are entertaining.



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30 Apr 2022, 6:41 pm

Vladimir Putin and his chauffeur accidentally hit and kill a farmer's pig while driving through the Russian countryside. Putin tells the chauffeur to apologize to the farmer. They drive up to the farm, and the chauffeur goes inside. He is gone for a long time. When the driver returns, he explains his long absence, "Well, first the farmer shook my hand, then he offered me vodka, then his wife offered me some borscht, and his daughter showered me with kisses."

"Da, but why were they so grateful?" Putin asks.

The chauffeur replies, "I don't know. All I told him was that I was Vladimir Putin’s driver and I had just killed the pig."



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30 Apr 2022, 6:53 pm

Q: What do Moscow and Hiroshima have in common?

A: Nothing . . .

. . . YET!.


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