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16 Jul 2021, 6:30 am

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This doesn't sound very "pro-Russia" either:

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... 5251%2524s

Trump bent over backwards denying that Putin had first instigated a cyberwar with us, and only reacted against the Russians when pushed by political opposition.
As far as Syria is concerned - - not much actually grew out of what might have been theater put on for Americans by Putin and Trump. Yes, I know I sound paranoid by saying so, but then again, such things are hardly beyond the realm of possibilities when it comes to a spymaster like Putin.

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16 Jul 2021, 6:31 am

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I will forever be grateful for something that Donald Trump did not do:

Start a 3rd world war, pushing the famous red button and ending the world in a nuclear disaster.

I expected him to do that. It did not happen. We are still alive.

I am so grateful.

I'm grateful also.

I seriously doubt any President would intentionally get the world into WWIII.

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16 Jul 2021, 6:32 am

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Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

Please explain your point to me.

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16 Jul 2021, 6:54 am

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Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

Please explain your point to me.

Suppose Donald Trump would have never existed, do you honestly believe that the world have been better?

You can't tell that.

It could have been better, equal or worse.

My bet is that it would have been equal in some way.

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16 Jul 2021, 8:17 am

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/leaked-kremlin-documents-reportedly-show-171507834.html

I know the Trump fan club on WP will attack this mercilessly, but I'll post it anyway.

Here is the original story.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... hite-house

But at least there is a glimmer of hope from the Church.

https://religionnews.com/2021/07/14/whi ... l-decline/

When the Evangelicals sufficiently decline in numbers, their anti-global-warming influence will decline with it.

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16 Jul 2021, 8:22 am

I wonder ...

Since Putin and his people are behind Trump's actions, and Trump is behind the actions of those who attempted the coup on January 6th, and there are members of this website who are fans of MAGA, QAnon, and Trump...

How do those people feel about being the Great-Grand-Sheeple of the Russian Empire?

:lol:

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16 Jul 2021, 9:36 am

When the writer uses words like "purportedly" or "suggests" its usually BS. But more to the point this is about Putin not Trump.
The reason the media can't let Trump go is because he must be made an example of. No private citizen can ever be allowed into the presidency. Only the ruling class can be allowed such power.

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16 Jul 2021, 9:37 am

cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease. yes.

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16 Jul 2021, 9:41 am

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This doesn't sound very "pro-Russia" either:

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... 5251%2524s

You may be correct, but it still doesn't mean Trump was working for the Russians.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:13 am

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cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:26 am

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cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

Maybe. You'll have to elaborate.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:27 am

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VegetableMan wrote:

cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

Maybe. You'll have to elaborate.

A slow or non-existent response to a global pandemic could catalyze the pandemic into a deadly plague, for example.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:41 am

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Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

Maybe. You'll have to elaborate.

A slow or non-existent response to a global pandemic could catalyze the pandemic into a deadly plague, for example.

I agree, but I give him partial blame, because the U.S. isn't the only country with s poor Covid response.

Let's also assign some of that blame to our current president. He's already dropped bombs on Syria twice, which leads to a lot of displaced people who then spread the virus throughout the region.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:46 am

VegetableMan wrote:

Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

Maybe. You'll have to elaborate.

A slow or non-existent response to a global pandemic could catalyze the pandemic into a deadly plague, for example.

I agree, but I give him partial blame, because the U.S. isn't the only country with s poor Covid response. [...]

Like I said ... a catalyst.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:52 am

The real insurrection happened in 2016. The election of Donald Trump was a huge middle finger to the ruling class in DC. Their visceral reaction and deployment of their lackeys in media was due to the fear that their perimeter had been breached. The reason they can't let go is because this type of thing must never happen again. The filthy masses cannot choose the president. That is the privilege of the DC elite.

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16 Jul 2021, 10:54 am

Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Fnord wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cyclist_Netherlands wrote:

Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?

He was a symtom of the disease...

... and a cause or catalyst of others.

Maybe. You'll have to elaborate.

A slow or non-existent response to a global pandemic could catalyze the pandemic into a deadly plague, for example.

I agree, but I give him partial blame, because the U.S. isn't the only country with s poor Covid response. [...]

Like I said ... a catalyst.

Fair enough.

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