Response to "If you are a white person... "
^^^
Online, "An ocean filled with sharks and toxic sludge"...
True, too, And Typically Even
More So, A Difficult
Environment
For Many
Autistic
Folks to
Traverse, Who
Can't 'See through'
The DarK Parts of Humanity...
Just Another Art of Cognitive Empathy
That i Have Surely Swam Through in Tarry Pits too...
For Decades, Upon Decades of Course, in 'The Real World' too...
Yet, i Didn't Go into A STEM World to Make Money as All my 'High IQ Peers'
Suggested i Wasted my Life;
i Went into the 'University
of Military Bowling Center
Life' And
Became
More of a
Well Rounded
Human Being
For My Own Good;
As That Relates to
A Pursuit of Happiness more than 'Things'...
i Knew (INTUITED) i had a Greater Propensity to lose my
'Soul' Than Most Others By Going into a STEM
Major and World; And Although i Avoided it
in School; i Still Succumbed to it in the Bowling
World Of Social Education to Once Again BE A Cog
in a Machine, A Computer And Operating System IN 'IT'
TECH SUPPORT AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AS Autodidact
Educated to Continue to Survive and Get Promoted
Whether i Wanted the Promotions or not
For the Rest of the
World Around
me on Their Cigarette Breaks at Ease... Assisting Them...
Yes, True, Not Smoking Was Even More Intelligent, hehe,
And That Was Just Collateral Duties As Athletic Director
For A Military Station; Last Kid Picked in Sports, me, Hehe,
of Course Selected For Totally Unrelated Skills; Yet Still,
Expected to Do Another Job i Was in No Way Qualified For
Yet i Was Too Damn Afraid of Taking A Break As i was
only Judged As A Valuable Human Commodity and Never
Really Part of Any Social Circle That Truly Meant Usually Getting Ahead...
And Therefore, my Eventual Fall to What i Couldn't Deal with in Social Capacity...
19 Stress Related Illnesses, including the Worst Pain Known to Humankind, Type
Two Trigeminal Neuralgia, All A Synergy of Life Threat in Pain and Numb From Wake
To Sleep, After 11 Years of Chronic to Acute Flight or Fight Stress the Last Two
Years of That; All Originating From Just Trying to Fit
In Where i wasn't
Made to Exist Then...
Financial Independence,
The Gift of Retiring Early
After 25 Years of Federal
Service; Yet, Shut-In-in-My-Bedroom
For 66 Months in HeLL ON Earth Recovering
From Basically 'Autism Burnout' Specific to Most
of the Life Threat in Synergy of What i Experienced...
Do A Google Search on This User Name "Aghogday" And
You Will Find Research Referencing Work i've done in this Area of Study...
Yeah, i Know What's It's Like to Have Wings and Totally BE CLIPPED...
YET i adapted
To Hell
And in Epigenetic
Effect Remain in
Heaven Within Now
For Over 8 Years of
Effortless Ease in Continually
Increasing Human Potential of
Autotelic Flow Effort of 'Dancing A Tight Rope Higher'...
There Was No Prognosis For Recovery From My Doctor's
And No Guess That After Sitting in my Bedroom in All that
Pain And Numb From Ages 47 to 53, Basically in my Underwear,
Spending the last 33 Months of Hell on This Internet Site then;
That Soon After That in the Journey of 15,388 Miles of Public
Dance i Would Just Be Walking Down the Road at 2 AM From
The Metro Dance Hall Bar And Car Loads of Men Would Yell Out "Legend"
And Car Loads of
Women; Yes
Young COLLEGE
AGE NICE VERY
BEAUTIFUL
Women,
Would Stop
And Yell Take off Your Shirt...
Change Happens, And according
to the Doctor's Who Helped me...
What i Was able to accomplish
in Recovery Was as Close to
A Real Life Miracle that they had ever seen....
IN Other Words, Where We aRe Today Doesn't
Limit WHere We May Be Tomorrow; Even if
Everyone Else
Says That's
Impossible, You'll
Never Leg Press up
to 1520 Pounds at 61
Now, Considering 50 Years ago
All Of the Folks When You Were
Young, Who Told You in No Uncertain
Terms, You Were Too Weak and Strange to
Even Exist; And Were Spit on For Even Daring
to Smile as a Boy in the Place of Onward Christian
Marching Bully Boy Soldiers then in Trump Town USA;
i've Seen the Pain; all of it Physically And Psychologically
to Numb Existence As Well in Piece of Paper Life;
And Now i Do the Pleasure, all mine,
my FRiEnD
For What
i 'See', i am
No one Special
And Others Will
Surely Recover more than me...
Yeah, There Are A Lot of Sharks
Out There, A Lot of Sludge; Yet i am
'The Ocean', i Cover Over Their Shadow
as Just another Star in the Sky on Earth.. i Co-Create
With
Relative
Free Will;
Both A Practice
And Skill Developing
Still in Both Laser Focus and Human Potentials in HeART...
Still Seeking And Finding; Expressing; 'JUST DOING IT' Now..
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Being "white" in America has more to do with not appearing "non-white" than with being any specific ethnicity; like "Blue-eyed, blond-haired Scandanavian", for example. Many of my "white" relatives were shocked when our DNA results came back showing Ashkanazi Jews, indigenous North Americans, Asians, and even <* gasp *> sub-Saharan Africans* in our ancestry, in addition to the Northern Europeans we all claimed. Yet we all have pale skin, blue, green or hazel irises, and dark brown to blonde hair (those of us who still have hair, anyway).
Are we "white"? Objective consensus among the general population would indicate so.
Are we "mixed"? Objective consensus in the scientific community would indicate so.
Does it matter? Not in the least.
(*Note: Some of my relatives are still in denial over having "blacks" as ancestors, and they insist that DNA testing is flawed, or that the samples were contaminated, or that some cryptic conspiracy is involved in the test results. I laugh in their lily-white faces over this.)
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Then please do direct me to any posts in which I or any of the other posters you so callously label as racists, hypocrites, and white supremacists prejudiced anyone based on their skin color.
I'm fed the f**k up with woke a$$holes making unwarranted assumptions about me because of my skin color or gender.
We are all tired of being pre-judged by the color of our skin. However, developing a thicker skin is part of the maturation process, so if the words "racist", "hypocrite", and "white supremacist" bother someone, even when they are not applied specifically to that one person, then who has the problem?
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Most of the local white people here in the rural Ozarks are low income and get government assistance.The wealthy white people that move here from other places look down on us.To them we are ignorant ,possibly inbred ,hillbillies.
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I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi
And 'white' trash. Don't forget they view our kind as white trash too. Which is only one rank above the taboo N word for POCs.
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♡ The Clergy
◇ The Merchants
♧ The Peasants
♤ The Military
Can you clarify who you were directing those accusations at, if it wasn't the posters to whom you were responding? Sounds like back pedaling to me.
How about instead of ad hominems, you put forth an actual argument responding to any of my points in the OP?
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Last edited by Fnord on 13 Sep 2021, 2:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Decided to share an interesting article about the insulting term 'white trash' and how Americans seem to think it's OK to insult poor and rural folks, just as long as they're white of course.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... ite-people
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♡ The Clergy
◇ The Merchants
♧ The Peasants
♤ The Military
The Term 'White Trash', Pejorative
For Those Not Meeting
'The Qualifications'
Of Either the Protestant
Working Ethic or the Elite
Higher Educated College Classes With Clean
Hands and Nails Working From Home 'These Days'...
Ironically, the Story Book Character
Jesus and His FRiEnDS Who
Went Against all
Modern Day
Ideas of
The Revered
Protestant Work-Ethic;
Emptying His Pockets Just
Living Off the Kindness of Others
On Front Porches Spreading Good News
Of Love in Social Communion Without Respect
to Class; Similar to my Wife's Poor Mother Who Welcomed
Any Homeless Person Aboard Her Home Paid for by A
Community
Grant for
The Less
Advantaged
Folks Without
Enough Working Class
Protestant Ethic; It's True,
White Folks Who Are Poor
Often Stick Together Like the
Story of Jesus And His FRiEnDS
With Empty Pockets only sharing Love And
Available Food With Little Need For Best Dress And Fattest
Wallets of Oiling The Bigger Machines of CuLTuRaL Luxuries...
Pecking Orders of
Importance
As the
Only Place
For Those Who Aren't
Satisfied With Their Positions
Of Life is to Bring Some ''Other
Classes" Lower in Their Minds to
Come Out of Whatever Sinkhole They See Themselves in...
True, The White Privileged Would Surely Name the Story
Book Character Jesus 'White Trash' If He came the Same
Way Now Returning As He Lived As Promised His Life in
The First Story
As the Story
Told Of Empty
Pockets Living
off the Kindness
of Others Spreading
Good News for Love...
'They' already Tested
That Hypothesis in A Big
Church, Where the Pastor Came
Dressed as Poor Jesus And Verily
Was Treated Like 'White Trash'; This
America, Home of the Money and the
People Who Make Money Most; Our God is
The God of All MaKinG Money and Even
Some Church Congregations Praise Money
As The Bringer oF All Good News Over Feeding
Poor Jesus the Roofer
At the Mexican
Border,
Waiting
To Repair
Hurricane
Destroyed Homes in Louisiana;
Or Whoever Else Needs Help With Shelter Next...
It's The Human Condition; It's Kindest to In-Groups;
Whatever The In-Group Bonds and Binds over Most...
It's The Human
Condition's Religion...
Only Inclusive to Those
Who Fit Within the Boundaries of Tradition....
Meh, There's Also the Nomads Like the Story
Of Jesus, Just Moving to Greener Pastures of Love too...
With Little Regard to Power, Money, And Status; Green Abundance
Enough As Nature Finding A Little Trailer Used; Fishing At the Local Creek
Or Owning
A Big
Spread
Like 'Green Acres'
Far From City Life...
Sadly That's Not Even Working for
Many Folks Now Looking For Some Way out...
In terms of Lack of Meaning and Purpose; a Lost Religion
in Ways of Bonding and Binding For Common Meaning and Purpose
Replaced often
With 'The Kiss
of Jesus', Where
The Warmth of Belonging
Comes in Opiates and Other
Drug Substitutes for the Warmth of Humanity...
Or A Leader Who Reflects Their Misery of Not Fitting in Anywhere...
The Start of How So many Countries Fall in Lack of Meaning And Purpose in Life...
Yeah, Truly It's More Sad Than Deplorable; Yet It's True, There is No Dismissing
THE FACT that Ignorance Harms, Rapes, Maims, Kills Most not Restricted to
Any Class
Really Except
For the Class of IGNoRiCiSM
For All That Falls Away Now for
Meaning and Purpose FOR Humanity...
As The Old Pick-Up Truck Rattles By
With Some Young White Men Listening
To Rap For Whatever Religion of Life
to Find...
Sharing
The Good
Times and Bad the Same...
Belonging to Whatever Will
Hold the Size of Soul That's Left...
It's Rather Fuzzy With No Clear Boundaries and Rules...
So Close to Anarchy, So Close to Anarchy; Yet Just too
Fuzzy to 'Go
To War'...
Fall
Of America
Beginning to
Middle Part For Now...
Winter Coming Soon Enough...
Hopeful Still That Fall Produces
Spring And Summer Flowers to Return
As In General at Best DarK Brings Day...
Meanwhile, Elon Musk a Person Self-Admitted
To Being Diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum is
Close to the Richest Dude in the World With Bill
Gates close Enough Behind in the Top Five too
Along With Mark Zuckerberg to Round Out the
Top Five Richest Dudes in the
World; Gates and Zuckerberg
Are As Autistic as Elon Musk
With Or Without a Diagnosis;
They Are Just Billionaires, An In-Group
of the Top 3 Out of 5; It Depends on if You Find Your Niche...
Systemizing Skills Have Been In Big Demand For the Last 3 Decades
And Folks Who have The Ability to Work From Home are A Modern Privileged
(And Only A Third of Folks Studied Higher Functioning With Autism Are of
The Systemizing Major 'Ilk')
Class Where
Computers
And Systemizing
Skills Overall Are
The Revenge of the
New Nerd In-Group...
Not Everyone is included;
Yet the Fact is, Many Are
in This Pandemic Environment
Where Technology is Indeed, In A
Way, A Savior of Our Human Species Survival...
Not To Say All Those Folks Working From Home
Are Happy; Yet True They Are Still Breathing With
Clean Hands
And Nails...
If they feel
the Need
to get
Out
of Their
Pajamas Yet hehe...
Human Nature Changes
According to Environmental
Struggle; Rise or Fall; Winter or Summer Next...
Systemizing Mind Privilege is A New Way of Life That Works Best
In Feast
of Famine...
True, Not Usually
Fitting the Meme
of So-Called 'White Trash'...
Sadly, The Jobs 'They' Did Falling, Falling Away...
At least the ones that Brought them out of Poverty....
Again,
'Revenge
Of the New
Nerds'; A New
Age And Way of Humanity, Overall....
The Point Here, Is There Are Way too
Many Grey Areas to Generalize Humanity in This or That Prison...
Chances Are, 'the Dude' Fishing at the Creek is More Satisfied With Life than
Elon Musk, Bill Gates, And Zuckerberg Could Ever Dream of With Clean Hands and Nails...
i Don't Fish;
Can't Stand
To Touch Live Bait, Yuck...
Or Kill Fish For Sport; That's Life down there too...
My Wife Does All the Cooking; Haha, i Try not to Look...
And Her Sister Kills and Skins Deer; We Do What We Have to, to Survive...
Or We
Do Not;
This is Life on Earth...
It's Gonna take a Lot of
Understanding for A
'Zillion Different Religions'
Coming From So Many Different
YouTube Channels to Get Along Now...
i Like Complexity Now; Looking Forward to the Future Now...
Folks Who Don't Like Change, Are Not Going to Be too Happy....
i Wouldn't Trade my Life With Anyone; Even if i had to Go To
REAL Hell Again to LiVE iN my Own Version of Heaven, For Now Eternally At Least...
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It is true the more minority groups you belong to the more chance you have to be disadvantaged and discriminated against and more severely disadvantaged and discriminated against. The term intersectionality was invented to describe this concept. Unfortunately all too often it has turned into countless debates over my group is victimized more then your group otherwise known as “oppression olympics”.
I have noticed people using the expanded definitions of white privilege, white fragility, racism and “wokeness” seem to come most often from white and economically privileged people. The elitists and rich people shaming working class is not new. We called people such as Oprah limousine liberals back in the day. Author Tom Wolff was onto a similar idea with “radical chic”.
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Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity
It is Autism Acceptance Month
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
Who is this directed at? I don't see anyone advocating supremacy of the white race in any way, just people objecting to being stereotyped based on their skin color.
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“The totally convinced and the totally stupid have too much in common for the resemblance to be accidental.”
-- Robert Anton Wilson
@OP
Not sure if you will read this but here goes anyway
White privilege is a like a voucher that gets you special benefits in specific situations that PoC don't get. it doesn't apply to all white people or all walks of life.
If you are a white person who "insert oppression here" then you can still be an ally to PoC by respecting their right to express themselves and their own frustrations which (for them) are real.
It doesn't mean giving up anything or reducing your quality of life (some mischievous individuals with certain leanings will pretend to poor-middle class white people will somehow lose as PoC get a special leg-up).
Blaming wokeness or losing privileges for your problems is a misattribution and not taking personal responsibility for your own affairs.
Here is the original text. Keep in mind that this is a WHITE woman relating her experiences.
"I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group."
DAILY EFFECTS OF WHITE PRIVILEGE
I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.
1) I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2) I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3) If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4) I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5) I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6) I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7) When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8) I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9) If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10) I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11) I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12) I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13) Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14) I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15) I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16) I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17) I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18) I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19) I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20) I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21) I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22) I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23) I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24) I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25) If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I have not been singled out because of my race.
26) I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27) I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28) I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29) I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30) If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there is not a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31) I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32) My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33) I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34) I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35) I can take a job with an Affirmative Action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36) If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37) I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38) I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39) I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40) I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41) I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42) I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43) If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44) I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45) I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46) I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47) I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48) I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49) My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50) I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189: "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies" (1988), by Peggy McIntosh.
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I am gauging from the silence after Fnord's reposting of Peggy Mcintosh's 50 examples of white privilege that many questions have been answered.
I'm a little disappointed that there are some more intelligent WP members buying into the "woke" trope promulgated by people who yearn to turn the clock back in time.
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