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08 Nov 2021, 12:01 am

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No, I feel attacked for telling the truth.


You mean your lie that people had died from taking Ivermectin? Dude, put down the shovel, you're already up to your neck this time.


I'm going by news reports concerning death by dewormer. I'm certainly not going to get my news from Hannity, Carlson, or Rogan about this. And seriously, my life doesn't revolve answering your demands. For instance, I had a writers group on zoom that I took part in this afternoon, while tonight, I'm going to be working on a short story I plan to include in my next anthology. I'm about to have dinner with my family. My life isn't so small and meaningless that it hangs on arguments I might have on WP.


Can you provide a link?
Serious question.


This is one:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09 ... le-to-die/


Thank you for the link, my Teutonic Friend.
However, :mrgreen:
It does say this:
Quote:
A person in New Mexico is suspected of dying from an overdose of ivermectin,


You can overdose on vitamin 'A'. 8O

Overdosing is outside the context of this discussion, I would have thought.
If someone is seeing a doctor and given a prescription, that is a different scenario. 8)


It was still the dewormer.


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08 Nov 2021, 12:02 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
People have died from Covid vaccines too, although I'm not antivax and I'm not trying to change the topic.

The point is that even if people died / die from IVM in some cases, it doesn't change the fact that CNN lied to destroy JR's public reputation and credibility as a podcaster.

He didn't take "horse dewormer", and Gupta admits it.

That's all this thread is about.


Actually, they had either died from Covid, or from complications from other problems, as with Colin Powell.


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08 Nov 2021, 12:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
No, I feel attacked for telling the truth.


You mean your lie that people had died from taking Ivermectin? Dude, put down the shovel, you're already up to your neck this time.


I'm going by news reports concerning death by dewormer. I'm certainly not going to get my news from Hannity, Carlson, or Rogan about this. And seriously, my life doesn't revolve answering your demands. For instance, I had a writers group on zoom that I took part in this afternoon, while tonight, I'm going to be working on a short story I plan to include in my next anthology. I'm about to have dinner with my family. My life isn't so small and meaningless that it hangs on arguments I might have on WP.


Can you provide a link?
Serious question.


This is one:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09 ... le-to-die/


Thank you for the link, my Teutonic Friend.
However, :mrgreen:
It does say this:
Quote:
A person in New Mexico is suspected of dying from an overdose of ivermectin,


You can overdose on vitamin 'A'. 8O


Overdosing is outside the context of this discussion, I would have thought.
If someone is seeing a doctor and given a prescription, that is a different scenario. 8)


It was still the dewormer.


Well, the first one claimed it was "suspected".

But back to context, we need to compare apples with oranges.
The problem was the need to properly define the elements involved in the conversation. ;)
I.E.
Not everyone was on the same page/wavelength. 8O


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08 Nov 2021, 12:29 am



Well, Actually 'This Whole Thread OP' is A "Mis-Truth"; YES, TECHNICALLY

As Sanja Gupta Never SAID "CNN Lied"; Go Look at 'the Video', Again;

Gupta, Just Said CNN Shouldn't Have Said What They Said.

Technically, Ivermectin Has Several Uses And NO IT IS
NOT APPROVED TO USE TO TREAT COVID-19.

ROGAN SAID HE USED IVERMECTIN AS
PART OF HIS TREATMENT FOR COVID-19;

YES, ROGAN AT THE TIME OF HIS STATEMENT
TO HIS BIG AUDIENCE, many of Who Follow

Him As Gospel Truth, Even Though Rogan

Himself Has Been Quoted, Yes Actually
Describing Himself as "A 'F' in Moron"
And "Not A Reliable Source of Information."

AND YES, Rogan 'Came Through' By

Saying He Threw the 'Kitchen Sink'

At Covid-19, Including IVERMECTIN;

NOTE: IN BIG BOLD LETTERS, IN HIS INITIAL
STATEMENT THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE AND

DANGEROUS

TO HIS TARGET AUDIENCE, AS HE DID NOT SPECIFY
WHAT KIND OF IVERMECTIN HE USED; THAT WAS

UP TO HIS TARGET AUDIENCE TO DECIDE, of course
at the Risk of Worshipping their 'YouTube' God And
'Religion on YouTube' And Choosing the Horse Dewormer;

And On Top of that Using the Other Uses for the Drug That
Are Also Not Approved to Use to Treat Covid-19; And Note

Again,

The FDA, Also Shamed Folks By Telling Folks They Are Not A
Horse, So Don't Take Ivermectin for Covid-19 Treatment; As
Again, 'Class', It's Not Approved in ANY FORM TO TREAT COVID-19.

OKAY, CNN WENT THE SHAME ROUTE AND THE SHADE ROUTE AND

Didn't Do the Proper Pedantically Responsible Thing And Find Out From
Rogan What Kind of Ivermectin He took First; They Described it For One
Of Its Uses that is 100 Percent True; So, in this Case, All Mr. Rogan Had

To Do Is

Verify

What Kind

of Ivermectin

He Used; And Thank

Goodness That is What

Sanja Gupta Got Him to Admit

As At Least Some of Rogan's Audience

Members Got to Find Out He Didn't Take the Horse Dewormer...

Of Course, The Responsible Thing to Do Would have been NOT
to Mention a Non-Approved Drug For Use for Covid-19 Treatment;

Yet Again, By Rogan's Own Words, He (Rogan) is an "'F' in Moron" And "Not A Reliable
Source of Information. " Bottom Lines, Ivermectin is Not Approved to Treat Covid-19

In Any Form; And It is Dangerous With Side Effects; And Yes Some Folks Did Have to Go
To the Hospital By Using a Non-Approved Drug in Whatever Form Ivermectin Was Administered to them...

So Yeah, Technically CNN Didn't tell The Whole Truth; Yet Technically that Information Wasn't Shared then.

So Yeah, Again, Technically, Mr. Gupta Cleared That Up By Getting Rogan to admit What Kind of Ivermectin

He (Rogan) was taking.

Never the Less,

Ivermectin Is

(365 Days A Year,
Except For Leap Years)

Still A Horse De-Wormer too;

So If You Wanna Play Pedantics

And Semantics, It's A Mistruth too,

To Say Sanja Gupta "Admitted CNN Lied"

As Again, He never Said that; He Just Said

CNN Shouldn't have Said It they Way they Did

After Rogan Cleared Up What Kinda Ivermectin He Did;

And God Yes, The FDA Is Just As Guilty for Shading People too...

Yet Guess What; Pandemics Take Tough Talk/Tough Actions too...

And it's Also True; Not Everyone is Pedantically And Semantically
Correct to Follow Every Black And White Rule With Language/Metaphor.

Now to Be Clear, If I Was In That Position,

Just Like Gupta, I Would Have Been

The Detail Person to Contact

Rogan First to find out

if He Actually took

The Horse Dewormer Version; Yet Guess What,

Not Everyone is A Detail Guy Like me though;

Not Even Corporations/FDA Throwing Shade; Go Figure,
Not Everyone is Cut-out to Be A Snowflake and Of

Course Rogan isn't really a Snowflake, He was Just
Having Fun With Gupta Who has no Street Smarts

that Are

Recognizable

At Least As Typically

Folks Who Live in 'Ivory
Towers' Do Not Have What Rogan Has...

Rogan Got Shade And Had Some Fun With
Gupta; Does Rogan Really Care; Nah, Not Likely, He's

Rolling in The Dough, Basically No Matter What
He Says; As He Makes A Lot of 'Little Males' Feel
Bigger By Watching The Big 5 Foot 8, Wrestler Dude Talk; Like

"He Man

Jordan
Peterson";

As Birds of
A Feather Will
Most Definitely Fall Together too...

Or Fly if They Can And Will; It's Amazing What Helps Folks too...

i Think Both Rogan And Peterson Are Amusing; Yet of Course Both
Have Target Audiences That Are Similar to Feed, So They Do; In Mostly Echo Chambers of their own...

It's CNN's Job to Break Echo Chambers; And Again, Tough Times DO Take Tough Talk and Action that

'Normally'

Might Not
Be Deemed
As Necessary
To Skirt the 'Gupta And Such Ivory Tower'.

Bottom Lines Here, For Those Who Choose to
Stick to Black And White Thinking; Yes, Gupta

NEVER EVER NEVER EVER TECHNICALLY SAID

THE QUOTE "THAT CNN LIED", IF YA SAY HE
DID THAT'S A MISTRUTH, NO DIFFERENT NOW.

GO Figure,

Language

Ain't Always

CUT AND DRY....

AND BLACK AND WHITE...

Yet if Y'all Wanna Argue

Over the Meaning of 'IS' for
The Rest of Your Life, Have at it With SMiles...

As This Is All As Amusing As Mr. Rogan to me...

Rogan Knew CNN Had Every Legal Right to Shade

His Ignorant Celebrity And CNN Didn't Get in Any REAL Trouble...

And That's The End of the Story, Unless Ya Wanna Write Another One Again; Have at it...

As This Is Just My View of the Situation; Views Will be Different, Based on Makes And Models of Human too...



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08 Nov 2021, 12:50 am

Who is Jordan Peterson?



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08 Nov 2021, 1:20 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Who is Jordan Peterson?


He's a Canadian psychology professor who got famous some years back for opposing some proposed language laws regarding pronouns, he's since branched out into self help and political punditry. He's another one who often gets mischaracterized by the left, there's a famous interview of him by the BBC, where practically the whole thing is the woman misstating his views, and him attempting to correct her:



I'm not sure why he came up, though he's one of those names a certain type of leftist tends to just throw out like a shibboleth, more of an in group signal than anything.


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08 Nov 2021, 1:25 am

Pepe wrote:
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
This isn't about whether IVM is a good medication. It's about whether one person took a horse dewormer.

CNN admits he did not, and that they lied.



Done?


You'd think, right? Like I said earlier, some people just can't admit that their team got one wrong, and won't let honesty get in the way of trying to defend it.


Very unautistic.
But nothing surprises me these days. 8)


Possibly worth noting that the site isn't restricted to only those who are autistic - and it isn't unknown for people with autism to mimic others who are not autistic in order to "fit in" with those people.


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08 Nov 2021, 1:28 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
People have died from Covid vaccines too, although I'm not antivax and I'm not trying to change the topic.

The point is that even if people died / die from IVM in some cases, it doesn't change the fact that CNN lied to destroy JR's public reputation and credibility as a podcaster.

He didn't take "horse dewormer", and Gupta admits it.

That's all this thread is about.


That would be an appropriate summary, yes.


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08 Nov 2021, 1:37 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Who is Jordan Peterson?





Jordan Peterson (Also A *Meme):

A Complicated, And Very Troubled Man,

Who Appeals to Very Troubled Young Men;

He Has A Cult Following; And Helps Some Folks;

He's Not A Strong Showman Like Rogan; With Peterson

It's Always A

Cringe to See

If A Train Wreck Comes

Again for Him; He Indeed

Is A Very Troubled and of Course

Very Smart Man; As He Didn't Become
A Professor at A Major University For Years

By Playing at Comedy Clubs and Doing MMA...

Yet of Course, Overall, Rogan Probably Isn't

Gonna Have to Get

Treated in

Russia

For Any Kind

of Mental Imbalance,

Any Time Soon; It's

Very Complicated (Peterson's Life Indeed)

He Professes Ideas Like There is No Such

Thing As Self-Esteem Or Emotional Intelligence

Because It's Not Empirically Measurable Enough;

Yet Of Course, If He Had 'Enough Of that' He would Know it is Real....

Yes, In Other Words, He's Like A Whole Lot of Folks, Including Me too;

i Can't

Cook Either;

Yet i can Do Other Things...

So i Stay Out of the Kitchen;

Just Like Rogan Should Stay

Out of the Medical Advice, Moreover,

Telling Young Healthy Folks they Don't

Need to Get Vaccinated; AS THAT IS EVEN

MORE OF A DANGEROUS FALSEHOOD THAN

SPREADING THE VALUE OF TAKING IVERMECTIN

For Covid-19;

IT'S ALL A LIFE

OR DEATH

SCENARIO

NOT WORTH

BS'ing About For Sure...

Not Likely Peterson is
Gonna Harm Anyone

too Much Except for Himself;

i Feel Bad For Him And It Just
Goes to Show How Imbalanced
Some Kinds of High Intelligence

Will Be With Even More Important

Intelligences Just For Peace of Mind And A Smile that Does't Hurt....

It's easy to See His Smiles Hurt, at Least for me; Suffering From Mental Illness, he does...

On The Other Hand, Rogan Stays Stoned And Drunk And Hyped Up on Testosterone Supplements

And He's Very

Proud of

All Of Who

He Is; *Maybe....

(Not Likely at Core)

*And Of Course This
Is Just My Politically
Incorrect Arm-Chair View...

Yet of Course, i Don't Have
Any Big Audience, i Know of
At Least; Hehe, to Speak to...

Generally Speaking, Being Autistic;
Just Me, Suffices Enough, Whole, Naked, And Complete...

And Yes it Took me 53 Years to Get This Way; i Sure didn't have me

Figured

Out Before

Either; For Some

Folks That's the Hardest

Part of Life; Likely Both Rogan And Peterson Are Still in 'That Club'

And A Majority of Most Everyone Else; Particularly, in a World Like 'This'...:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson



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08 Nov 2021, 1:48 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm going by news reports concerning death by dewormer. I'm certainly not going to get my news from Hannity, Carlson, or Rogan about this. And seriously, my life doesn't revolve answering your demands. For instance, I had a writers group on zoom that I took part in this afternoon, while tonight, I'm going to be working on a short story I plan to include in my next anthology. I'm about to have dinner with my family. My life isn't so small and meaningless that it hangs on arguments I might have on WP.


News reports? Then post them if they exist, prove me wrong.

Could have fooled me about the importance of these arguments to you, I've literally seen you go weeks on these things, round and round to avoid ever admitting you were wrong. Raptor used to say you were like a treed cat, hissing and spitting at the dogs who chased you there when it was clear you couldn't back up what you said, and this attempt to change the subject rather than answer the question, along with the not so subtle dig at me for taking this argument seriously, fits that pattern to a tee.


Raptor was a sad, broken individual who lashed out at those of us who dared talked back to him.


Wow big surprise who his benchmark is :lol:



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08 Nov 2021, 1:50 am

Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
This isn't about whether IVM is a good medication. It's about whether one person took a horse dewormer.

CNN admits he did not, and that they lied.



Done?


You'd think, right? Like I said earlier, some people just can't admit that their team got one wrong, and won't let honesty get in the way of trying to defend it.


Very unautistic.
But nothing surprises me these days. 8)


Possibly worth noting that the site isn't restricted to only those who are autistic - and it isn't unknown for people with autism to mimic others who are not autistic in order to "fit in" with those people.


Just who are you referring to?


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08 Nov 2021, 1:59 am

Dox47 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Who is Jordan Peterson?


He's a Canadian psychology professor who got famous some years back for opposing some proposed language laws regarding pronouns, he's since branched out into self help and political punditry. He's another one who often gets mischaracterized by the left, there's a famous interview of him by the BBC, where practically the whole thing is the woman misstating his views, and him attempting to correct her:



I'm not sure why he came up, though he's one of those names a certain type of leftist tends to just throw out like a shibboleth, more of an in group signal than anything.


Here's a recent video of the type of advice he provides:


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And we interviewed a horse to get his response to Rogan

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08 Nov 2021, 2:04 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
This isn't about whether IVM is a good medication. It's about whether one person took a horse dewormer.

CNN admits he did not, and that they lied.



Done?


You'd think, right? Like I said earlier, some people just can't admit that their team got one wrong, and won't let honesty get in the way of trying to defend it.


Very unautistic.
But nothing surprises me these days. 8)


Possibly worth noting that the site isn't restricted to only those who are autistic - and it isn't unknown for people with autism to mimic others who are not autistic in order to "fit in" with those people.


Just who are you referring to?


I wasn't referring to anyone (did you have someone in mind who fits the description?) - I was merely pointing out to Pepe that despite being an "autism" site, actions which may be deemed "unautistic" would still be liable to occur on it, and providing an explanation of one reason for this.


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08 Nov 2021, 2:09 am

Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
This isn't about whether IVM is a good medication. It's about whether one person took a horse dewormer.

CNN admits he did not, and that they lied.



Done?


You'd think, right? Like I said earlier, some people just can't admit that their team got one wrong, and won't let honesty get in the way of trying to defend it.


Very unautistic.
But nothing surprises me these days. 8)


Possibly worth noting that the site isn't restricted to only those who are autistic - and it isn't unknown for people with autism to mimic others who are not autistic in order to "fit in" with those people.


Just who are you referring to?


I wasn't referring to anyone (did you have someone in mind who fits the description?) - I was merely pointing out to Pepe that despite being an "autism" site, actions which may be deemed "unautistic" would still be liable to occur on it, and providing an explanation of one reason for this.


Sorry, the level of hostility as of late was making me a bit on edge and paranoid.


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