Why do people want Trump?

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Thats not fact, that is opinion. Fact is something with which all sides agree. Like math is a fact, everyone agrees with math. But presence or absence of racial bias is an opinion since the answer is divided along party lines.



Again, what is real and what isn't is an opinion, not a fact.

The problem with the police has nothing to do with politics. It represents a systemic problem in the policeforce.

As usual the proof of the pudding is in the eating
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... ericans-do

This distrust isn't imagined.

No, as there have been convictions of racist and abusive cops, and convictions of the DC rioters, that makes it a fact until proven otherwise. But people on the political extreme aren't going to agree with sane people about those convictions. A grasp on reality overrides a need for consensus for something to be true.

One could argue that he set the wheels in motion.


That wasn't BLM, most of the destruction was caused and/or instigated by white supremacy groups who showed up to start trouble.
That's like saying Kyle Rittenhouse was BLM. I think a lot of his supporters would go unhinged if you tried to say that.


Pretty sure the Capitol is more important.
If a business gets destroyed, they typically use the insurance money to pay for repairs.
If our entire democracy gets destroyed, we're kind of in a bad place.


So you're saying that requesting that cops get the legal punishment they deserve is somehow equivalent to attempting a full-out coup with the intent of kidnapping government officials and giving them public lynchings?

That can be argued about other presidents too. Fact remains: the few presidents leading to Trump started wars, Trump hasn't.



Its the first time I hear it. Can you elaborate? Because I literally never heard this. I thought it was BLM destroying property.

In fact the whole point of destroying property was to "protest racism", so it wouldn't be logical for White Supremacy groups to do it in that particular occasion.



So did they actually do all the repairs? Has Minneapolis been rebuilt?

They weren't trying to change the system. They were trying to change the outcome of one specific election.



But cops would have gotten legal punishment they deserve even without the protests. The point of protests seem to be to give them tougher punishment than they otherwise would be given. So isn't it also an attach on democracy, to make institutions do something they otherwise won't do?

By the way I am not saying that their punishment is too tough. I mean we are talking about murder and I am not going to say that murder deserves lesser sentence.

What I "am" trying to get to is simple logic. Forget what they want courts to do for a second. Lets just say they want courts to do X. If they think it is necessary to break property in order to force courts to do X, that logically implies an attack on the court system, which is part of democracy.

He tried on January 6, 2021.  It is a good thing that the other side did not show up.

I wasn't referring to civil war. I was referring to wars with other countries.

Also what do you mean the other side didn't show up? Since he didn't prevail then, logically, it means they "did" show up?

You should learn to be more explicit.The apparent goal was to engage the Left and start a civil war.  Since the Left did not show up (except for a few journalists), the second civil war did not occur.  Thus, the reason he did not succeed was due to poor planning and lack of bloody opposition.

If the other side did not show up, why didn't he get the outcome he wanted then?

I guess the other side wasn't in the form of leftists but instead it was in a form of law enforcement or something. But thats still the other side isn't it?

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

a. The intent was to engage the opposition.
b. The opposition did not show up.
: : The intent was not fulfilled.

Donald Trump's coup attempt on January 6, 2021 failed due to poor planning on the Right, and superior intelligence-gathering on the Left.

The intent was to win. If the opposition doesn't show up, you automatically win. At least thats how most wars operate.

What exactly did Trump win?  Certainly neither the coup nor the election.

Donald J. Trump is a loser, no matter how you look at it.

I never said he won. Here is what I said:

a) If opposition didn't show up he would have won (notice the word IF)

b) He did NOT win

c) Therefore, opposition DID show up

Denying the antecedent will get you nowhere.

I am asking a very simple logical question. How can someone possibly lose without opposition showing up? That makes no sense.

In other words, the very fact that he lost, implies the opposition DID show up.

When their intent is to have the opposition show up, and the opposition does not fulfill their intent.

Please try to keep up.