Nobody interested in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
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That's what's making quite a work in Germany right now.
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Sanctions are working but they're not a magical wand. It takes time. From what I know, Russians already became unable to rebuild the high-tech weapons and ammo without access to global electronic markets.
Soviet Union collapsed after 10 years of Afghan war and sanctions. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon.
We don't have magical wands. Solutions that work usually take time and effort.
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I believe it was the actual invasion.
Trump liked the threat pootin was using, but when he invaded, pooting was the bad boy.
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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.
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Read my lips:-I am not a fan of the orange man.-I would never vote for the Republican party given the chance.-I am interested in being objective and rational.
In the meantime, Finland has officially announced willing to join NATO "without delay".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61404062
Estonians rejoice, I suppose - instead of being NATO's northeastern tip, they'll become part of NATO's eastern wall.
Medvedev is threatning with nukes - that's apparently his current assignment.
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But, seriously, we've rebiult from ruins many times, we can do it once more.
First signs of recession here... for the first time in my adult life. Well, our govt is doing the right thing on the international scene but they suck at domestic affairs and finances, they've been for the last 8 years. This plus covid plus war makes even our resilient economy suffer. Prices growth is only accelerating.
Well, I still remember being poor. My kids don't and it might not be easy for them but we can manage.
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It is nirvana for those in their later years without children.
It is a good place to be. <sigh>

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And one more thing,
Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.
"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...

Read my lips:-I am not a fan of the orange man.-I would never vote for the Republican party given the chance.-I am interested in being objective and rational.
But the problem with government sanctions is gas and oil are much higher in price now as long as other goods, so why is the solution to punish everyone, while imposing a sanction that Putin is not going to change his mind on and still murder more and more Ukrainians? The sanction solution just seems incredibly impotent at this point and it punishes everyone.
The sanctions are weakening Russia's military power-----especially to rebuild materiel that was damage, and to build new materiel. All that comprises much of the effectiveness of the sanctions.
I hope you don't advocate us just ignoring Putin, and allowing him to run roughshod over Eastern Europe.....
I hope you don't advocate us just ignoring Putin, and allowing him to run roughshod over Eastern Europe.....
Oh no I am not advocating to ignore Putin, I am just saying I think it's going to take a lot more than sanctions. For example, if sanctions are so effective, why didn't they stop wars before? Why didn't the US use them on Germany and Japan during WWII instead of having to use harsher methods of fighting? Or why didn't they use them on North Vietnam instead of fighting, etc.
I hope you don't advocate us just ignoring Putin, and allowing him to run roughshod over Eastern Europe.....
Oh no I am not advocating to ignore Putin, I am just saying I think it's going to take a lot more than sanctions. For example, if sanctions are so effective, why didn't they stop wars before? Why didn't the US use them on Germany and Japan during WWII instead of having to use harsher methods of fighting? Or why didn't they use them on North Vietnam instead of fighting, etc.
They depend on Western electronics and other high-tech in building advanced weapons. That makes them sensitive to sanctions even on military level.
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I hope you don't advocate us just ignoring Putin, and allowing him to run roughshod over Eastern Europe.....
Oh no I am not advocating to ignore Putin, I am just saying I think it's going to take a lot more than sanctions. For example, if sanctions are so effective, why didn't they stop wars before? Why didn't the US use them on Germany and Japan during WWII instead of having to use harsher methods of fighting? Or why didn't they use them on North Vietnam instead of fighting, etc.
They depend on Western electronics and other high-tech in building advanced weapons. That makes them sensitive to sanctions even on military level.
They’re also dependent on the modern international interdependent nature of the global economy more than ever today. They export a lot of food, oil & gas, and other things. Cutting them out of the global finance and trade loop is definitely helping. Even if putin himself isn’t that personally affected, many ultra wealthy Russian oligarchs as well as the common working class people are All affected.. and they will put pressure on the Kremlin to end the war so they can conduct business. People vote with their wallets and will demand what’s good for their own personal income/survival. If the pressure is great enough, some high level powerful Russians may just plot to remove putin as their president and then begin to change things. Stopping money from flowing for long enough can have a dramatic effect. There’s a lag time, though.. businesses and people have savings - money has to stop long enough to burn through their cash to make them desperate enough to demand or force change. No ultra rich person wants to become poor and no working person wants to starve to death. Give it time; sanctions are doing their job.
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