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08 Aug 2022, 6:36 am

Mikah wrote:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

Amnesty International here calling out Ukraine for using human shields (that, by the way, is what the media calls it when someone we don't like and support does it).

As usual the "right wing conspiracy theorists" are on the money months before anyone respectable is. These tactics are responsible for the majority of "Russia blows up school/hospital/orphanage" headlines you read.

However, it is worth considering: if the Ukrainian army is not there, what will the Russian army do to Ukrainian civilians?

In an all-out war, there are many situations where the army and civilians are together, sometimes for the purpose of using civilians and sometimes for the purpose of protecting civilians.


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08 Aug 2022, 7:07 am

ironpony wrote:
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Well if Russia starts invading other countries it might turn into WW3. However, in WWII, the only way to get Japan to surrender was to invent the atomic bomb. But since Russia has plenty of those, will NATO have to invent a more more effective new weapon of mass destruction that would be equivalent to what the atomic bomb was to Japan in the 50s?


The next stage up from nukes is to use a highly radioactive substance and easy to make cobalt nuke bomb that keeps an area radioactive for many hundreds of years. Up to now all have refrained from doing so as it only takes a modest amount to wipe out all life on earth. However its believed to be used in Russia`s new poseidon drone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANIc4NKj6WQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzEc5d8n95k

After that you have an antimatter bomb that in theory could destroy the earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otx3LVDysvk


Oh I see. When you say Cobalt bomb, do you more like a neutron bomb?


Yes but more deadly.

Neutron bombs have been built in the past but no one has publicly announced a colbalt bomb.

I’m not a scientist but I believe because colbalt is a smaller emement and with a longer half life it has a greater potential to cover a larger area rendering it uninhabitable for 100+ years.


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08 Aug 2022, 8:19 am

But the problem with that kind of bomb though, that causes radiation poisoning, is that it's a slow death, and I would give the Russians a chance to retaliate and launch missiles.

So it would be a useless weapon if it causes a slow death. The weapon of mass destruction would have to be some really good kill every missile launcher in Russia instantly at the same time..



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08 Aug 2022, 10:56 am

chain reaction:
Poland, Czech Republic struggle to replace the Ukrainian workers

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Construction sites, factory assembly lines and warehouses across central Europe are scrambling to fill vacancies after tens of thousands of Ukrainian men left their blue-collar jobs to return home after Russia invaded their country.

Anyway, brave people.


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08 Aug 2022, 5:07 pm

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09 Aug 2022, 10:55 am

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... -bankrupt/

The Telegraph calls Amnesty International "utterly morally bankrupt" for calling out Ukrainian units for using human shields; describes using human shields as "Ukraine daring to defend itself against Russia".

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09 Aug 2022, 9:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Zelensky is the person being invaded.

What has he done to disturb someone being turned off by seeing his picture?


You're right, actually.
The millions of refugees, and the fact that by the end of may, 50% civilians had fled Kherson
leave no room for counter-arguments .

I guess my frustration comes from the fact that mass-media have hijacked the news, towards doing propaganda for America and EU, and excusing Ukraine's oligarchs.

Agreeing that Putin started a horrid colonizing war,
shouldn't mean that we should let oligarchs and governments off the hook.
On the contrary, we should be more vigilant. As Naomi Klein taught us in ''The Shock doctrine'.



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11 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm

Just saw this on my news feed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYBkMMShHI


CBS claims that only 30% of weapons ended up in Ukrainian soldiers arms.

Surprised, anyone?
Me neither.
The lack of progress just didn't make sense.



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11 Aug 2022, 9:23 pm

So f... up.
They asked us to make sacrifices, the Middle East and Africa will be facing famine
yet they didn't even make sure that the armament went to the right places?
Are they f... incompetent? Or is it a money laundering scheme?



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12 Aug 2022, 12:23 pm

But... I suggest that we should first understand the way the Russian side thinks...
From RIA, Russian Language, Google Translate, 03.04.2022
What should Russia do with Ukraine?

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Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. Nazi, Bandera Ukraine, the enemy of Russia and the West's tool for the destruction of Russia, we do not need. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical plane.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely the majority - has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi regime in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.

Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that the Ukrainian voter voted for the "peace of Poroshenko" and "peace of Zelensky" should not be misleading - Ukrainians were quite satisfied with the shortest path to peace through the blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was this method of "appeasement" of internal anti-fascists - through total terror - that was used in Odessa , Kharkov , Dnepropetrovsk , Mariupol , and other Russian cities. And this quite suited the Ukrainian man in the street. Denazification is a set of measures in relation to the nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals.

The Nazis who took up arms should be destroyed to the maximum on the battlefield. No significant distinction should be made between APUand the so-called national battalions, as well as the territorial defense that joined these two types of military formations. All of them are equally involved in extreme cruelty against the civilian population, equally guilty of the genocide of the Russian people, do not comply with the laws and customs of war. War criminals and active Nazis should be exemplarily and exponentially punished. There must be a total lustration. Any organizations that have associated themselves with the practice of Nazism have been liquidated and banned. However, in addition to the top, a significant part of the masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged Nazi power. The just punishment of this part of the population is possible only as bearing the inevitable hardships of a just war against the Nazi system, carried out with the utmost care and discretion in relation to civilians. Further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship: not only in the political sphere, but also necessarily in the sphere of culture and education. It was through culture and education that a deep mass nazification of the population was prepared and carried out, secured by the promise of dividends from the victory of the Nazi regime overRussia , Nazi propaganda, internal violence and terror, as well as an eight-year war with the people of Donbass who rebelled against Ukrainian Nazism.

Denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which implies (1) his absolute control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, a denazified country cannot be sovereign. The denazificating state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach with regard to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be disputed by the guilty party subjected to denazification. Russia's recognition of the need to denazify Ukraine means the recognition of the impossibility of the Crimean scenario for Ukraine as a whole. However, this scenario was not possible in 2014 in the rebellious Donbass either. Only eight years of resistance to Nazi violence and terror led to internal cohesion and a conscious unambiguous mass refusal to maintain any unity and connection with Ukraine,

The terms of denazification can in no way be less than one generation, which must be born, grow up and reach maturity under the conditions of denazification. The nazification of Ukraine continued for more than 30 years, beginning at least in 1989, when Ukrainian nationalism received legal and legitimate forms of political expression and led the movement for "independence" towards Nazism.

The peculiarity of modern nazified Ukraine is in amorphousness and ambivalence, which make it possible to disguise Nazism as a desire for "independence" and a "European" (Western, pro-American) path of "development" (in reality - to degradation), to assert that in Ukraine "there is no Nazism , only private individual excesses". After all, there is no main Nazi party, no Fuhrer, no full-fledged racial laws (only their truncated version in the form of repressions against the Russian language). As a result, there is no opposition and resistance to the regime.

However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version" of German Nazism during the first half of the 20th century. On the contrary, since Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (essentially political technology) frameworks and restrictions, it freely unfolds as the fundamental basis of any Nazism - as European and, in its most developed form, American racism. Therefore, denazification cannot be carried out in a compromise, on the basis of a formula like " NATO - no, EU - yes." The collective West itself is the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian Nazism, while the Western Bandera cadres and their "historical memory" are just one of the tools for the Nazisification of Ukraine. Ukronazism carries not less, but a greater threat to the world and Russia,

The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime. The people's republics newly created in the space free from Nazism should and will grow from the practice of economic self-government and social security, restoration and modernization of the life support systems of the population.

In fact, their political aspirations cannot be neutral - expiation of guilt before Russia for treating it as an enemy can be realized only by relying on Russia in the processes of restoration, revival and development. No "Marshall Plans" should be allowed for these territories. There can be no "neutrality" in the ideological and practical sense, compatible with denazification. The cadres and organizations that are the instrument of denazification in the newly denazified republics cannot but rely on Russia's direct military and organizational support.

Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Little Russia and New Russia, begun by the Soviet authorities. Being an instrument of the communist superpower, after its fall, artificial ethnocentrism did not remain ownerless. In this official capacity, he passed under the authority of another superpower (the power standing over the states) — the superpower of the West. It must be returned to its natural boundaries and deprived of political functionality.

Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries , Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state[/u], and attempts to "build" one naturally lead to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction[/u] that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization. Debanderization by itself will not be enough for denazification - the Bandera element is only a performer and a screen, a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine, therefore the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization.

The Bandera elite must be eliminated, its re-education is impossible. The social "bog", which actively and passively supported it by action and inaction, must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt. Those who did not support the Nazi regime, suffered from it and the war unleashed by him in the Donbass, must be consolidated and organized, must become the pillar of the new government, its vertical and horizontal. Historical experience shows that the tragedies and dramas of wartime benefit peoples who have been tempted and carried away by the role of an enemy of Russia.

Denazification as the goal of a special military operation within the framework of this operation itself is understood as a military victory over the Kyiv regime, the liberation of territories from armed supporters of the Nazis, the elimination of implacable Nazis, the capture of war criminals, and the creation of systemic conditions for the subsequent denazification in peacetime.

The latter, in turn, should begin with the organization of local self-government, police and defense bodies, cleansed of Nazi elements, launching on their basis the founding processes of founding a new republican statehood, integrating this statehood into close cooperation with the Russian department for the denazification of Ukraine (newly created or converted, say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), with the adoption under Russian control of the republican regulatory framework (legislation) on denazification, the definition of the boundaries and framework for the direct application of Russian law and Russian jurisdiction in the liberated territory in the field of denazification, the creation of a tribunal for crimes against humanity in the former Ukraine. In this regard, Russia should act as the guardian of the Nuremberg Trials.

All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification, the support of the population is necessary, its transition to the side of Russia after liberation from terror, violence and ideological pressure of the Kyiv regime, after the withdrawal from informational isolation. Of course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of hostilities, to be convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they will not be abandoned." It is impossible to foresee in advance exactly in which territories such a mass of the population will constitute a critically needed majority. The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. Behind it will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.

The operation to denazify Ukraine, which began with a military phase, will follow the same logic of stages in peacetime as a military operation. At each of them, it will be necessary to achieve irreversible changes, which will become the results of the corresponding stage. In this case, the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:

—liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which means any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational, educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;
—the formation of public self-government bodies and militia (defense and law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;
—installation of the Russian information space;
—the withdrawal of educational materials and the prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;
—mass investigative actions to establish personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime;
—lustration, publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime, involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as a punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);
—the adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types and forms of the revival of Nazi ideology;
—the establishment of memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, perpetuating the memory of the heroes of the struggle against it;
—the inclusion of a complex of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new people's republics;
—creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.

Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a purely Russian business. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism, the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, the mechanisms of subjugation to the superpower of the West and the United States .

In order to put the plan of denazification of Ukraine into practice, Russia itself will have to finally part with pro-European and pro-Western illusions, realize itself as the last instance of protecting and preserving those values ​​of historical Europe (the Old World) that deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, losing the fight for himself. This struggle continued throughout the 20th century and was expressed in the world war and the Russian revolution, inextricably linked with each other.

Russia did everything possible to save the West in the 20th century.
She realized the main project of the West, the red project of defeating the nation-state's alternative to capitalism, socialism. It crushed German Nazism, the monstrous offspring of the crisis of Western civilization. The last act of Russian altruism was the outstretched hand of friendship from Russia, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.

Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it selflessly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.

As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the people of Ukraine will have to understand as they begin to free themselves from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.

"She realized the main project of the West, the red project of defeating the nation-state's alternative to capitalism, socialism" This seems to be a strange understanding of the disintegration of the Soviet Union...


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16 Aug 2022, 10:58 am

Trying to find logic in Russian explanations?
They claim Ukrainians are nazi just for being Ukrainians, Russia is a saint just for being Russia and all the evidence suggesting otherwise has to be ignored. That's all.

Previous poster: Youtube videos should not be used as a source of information, unless the author has other credentials. The weapons sent to Ukraine are making the difference right now, particularily in Kherson region and Black Sea - the number of recent precise attacks on command centers, bridges and ammo caches suggests intelligence is working very well. I doubt CIA would allow to pump so much money into it if significant part of it was disappearing.


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16 Aug 2022, 11:18 am

It's all BS propaganda on the part of Putin and his gang.



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16 Aug 2022, 11:46 am

Maybe Ukrainians regain Kherson this year. That would be something - it's the biggest city captured after Feb 24.
Kherson is on the Western bank of Dnipro river. The bridges are destroyed. It's likely Ukrainians will be able now to cut off Russians on the Western bank from ammo and other military supplies. That could make it doable to push Russians all the way to the river, including regaining the city of Kherson.
Then, they can leave relatively small forces to defend this frontline, as a great river helps keep the frontline steady - and probably move the main forces to Zaporozhia region, but that's just my guess. It would be logical not to try to cross Dnipro then but to strike from the North.

In the meantime, as new regions are reclaimed, we'll learn about hundreds of other "Buchas" :( Of course, international investigations are most welcome but apparently Russian army has changed very little since the times in living memory here :(

In the meantime, "our" refugees have found good jobs here and they are looking for a bigger apartment :) Two bedrooms for a family of 6 are not bad for a war situation but now they've got on their own feet and can afford more :D


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16 Aug 2022, 11:53 am

How are you, Magz?



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16 Aug 2022, 11:55 am

Tired. And pretty anxious. Trying to use my time to rest but it's hard.


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16 Aug 2022, 11:57 am

I’m sorry it’s so hard for you.