Florida’s “Don’t say gay” law

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That is your opinion.
Now, give us some facts.

Here's a great example of the dangers of the kind of parenting republican governers think is perfectly ok. After you watch the video ask yourself, where could the mindset of this kid's classmates come from? Actually, there is part of that answer at the 4:12 mark.

wtf?

When members of one political party and their followers push for particular rule/law changes, the issue is by very definition political by default. Facts.

Very binary/B&W of you.
Now give us some *real* facts.

Define pander? Would you accept a law that forbade a parent from teaching religion to their children? The parents have a right to raise their children as they deem correct even if you don't agree with it, as long as it is not abusive or illegal.

to be brutally honest, I would accept a law that would ban parents from indoctrinating children into religion that is harmful for reasons that I’ve already explained.

If the Bible taught people to kill themselves on their 40th birthday, they would do that too.

here’s what that basically translates to: “I support the right of homophobic parents to teach their kids to be anti-LGBT or to get their LGBT kids to think that who they are is wrong”

The former will allow for homophobia to continue to be commonplace in this country for generations to come, the latter will lead to depression and in some cases, suicide.

As I have mentioned before, there are parents who use the Bible to instil morality in their children when they are too young to reason in depth themselves.
Those parents wouldn't want an activist atheist teacher sabotaging their efforts.

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They want you to think it's about "parental rights", they want you to think that people who are against the bill are "child groomers".

Even the man who is directly behind the bill admitted that he's worried that so many children are coming out as trans because they are "learning about it in school".
He flat out admitted, not using code words, but in plain English, that he believes that if he can stop children from learning about sexuality/gender identity in school, that it will stop children from "becoming" anything other than cis-gendered heterosexuals.
Previous drafts of the bill were even specifically worded that "DISCUSSION" of these issues was to be banned, but was later changed to "instruction".

It is a flat out political measure to try to silence LGBTQ+ children. No "if"s "and"s or "but"s.


The bill is only seven pages long, large text, it's very vague, it doesn't take long to read: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2 ... ext/er/PDF

The main problem I have with calling it "don't say gay" is that people are too focused on the word "gay", which understates that the bill is silencing EVERYONE in the LGBTQ+ spectrum, especially transgender.

Two main problems with the bill:

#1, a lot of it is INCREDIBLY vague. There is no single way to interpret anything it says. Any teacher or principal could twist it to mean whatever they think it should mean, and it will be up to a judge to decide:


So tell me, what is the appropriate age or development for a Florida student to acknowledge the existence of boys who have crushes on other boys, or girls who like to wear boy clothes, or children who have more than one mom and/or dad?
Is it okay for these children to get bullied, and the staff to do nothing because their hands are tied?

Look at it from the opposite angle, even talking about boys liking girls, or girls identifying as female, would be prohibited.

#2, this bill is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Are teachers in Florida causing a problem by shoving perverted sexual content down the throats of third graders? Or is it about parents who are worried that they're getting these "sick" and "crazy" ideas from their teachers and peers?

Why would they even need to specifically mention "gender identity" if they were sincerely worried about perverted teachers? What does the one have to do with the other??

There is other vagueness about staff being required to notify parents if the child has questions about mental health concerns, which, while could possibly be well-meaning, can certainly be twisted in its vagueness.


Actually, I was wrong...I just noticed lines 21-22 still say "discussion":



Not to mention Disney's CEO donating hundreds of thousands of dollars that went towards this bill is a huge slap in the face to Disney's employees (who were already complaining about LGBTQ+ censorship/cancellation), and his refusal to do anything about it was an even bigger slap.

His eventual "I'll talk to DeSantis about it" after the bill had already passed the Senate doesn't sound very heartfelt.

Do you see the hypocrisy as you want to use the gov't gun to force parents to your viewpoint? Parents have a right to raise their children, the schools do not have the same rights.

Do a lot of guy people think the word gay is offensive? I know two gay people who said they use the word all the time, and they hate how people think it's offensive they said.

Depends on the context. Sometimes, it can be offensive; other times, it is not.

Something like the "N" word is almost always offensive.

Do you have a link?



This is simply ignorant.
"God" made the LGBT, also, didn't he/she?
Do you have a link where he says this?



Remember, it is children of ages 4 to 10 the bill is referring to.
Is it really appropriate to discuss or instruct children that young about sexual diversity?



I am sure you feel that way.




Thanks for the link.



I don't think children before puberty have a realistic idea of what their sexuality is.
How could they if they don't experience sexual feelings?



But the bill talks about "instruction/discussion" by the teacher.
There is a difference between a question from a child coming up and the teacher introducing the concept to the child.
The bill is against activist teachers.



Firstly, there are activist teachers out there.
Have a look at my link: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=404668&p=9000790#p9000395
Secondly, if no one is doing this, I.E. The problem doesn't exist, why the concern?



Well, I haven't seen where DeSantis says this so I can't really comment.



Personally speaking, I don't have a problem with parents being referred to.
It is their child after all.




Are you sure about this?
I was under the impression Disney stopped donations.

All things being equal and "proper", I agree.