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20 Mar 2022, 7:03 am

Cornflake wrote:
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I very much doubt you [goldfish21] knew your sexual orientation before the sex hormones came into play.

Knowing one's gender and understanding the concept of variable sexual identity/orientation at 5 are two different things.
Why are you finding this so difficult?
You're wrong and might I add, demeaningly so.
I knew with clarity I was a boy who found older boys attractive at the age of five and although I couldn't quantify it then as a sexual urge, that's exactly what it was.

Why are you finding this so difficult?

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20 Mar 2022, 7:41 am

^ :heart: *does secret handshake* 8)


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20 Mar 2022, 9:29 am



i Think it is Worth Noting Here again That

Ignorance Leads to Harm, Raping, Maiming, and Killing.

Remember, in Putin's Pre-War Speech that Was Provided for
Review on 'this Internet Site', for Folks Who took the Interest
And Effort to View it; Yes, In His Reasons for Invading Ukraine
to 'Protect Russia's Interests' From the So-Called 'Evil Empire
of the West,' His Rationality Included Sexual Behavior Against

Nature; THAT Is Ignorant And Scientifically Untrue, including the
Reality of LGBQT Among the Variances of Human Sexual Orientations

And Behavior too;

Of Course 'Morals' Are Relative;

In Some Countries, So-Called
Female Genital Mutilation Is
Considered Part of "God's Laws" too...

And True, Putin is Championed For Starting
Orthodox Christian Churches Where 'They' Believe
They Have the 'One True Christianity' too; And True

He Doesn't Want His So Called "God's Laws" to Be Interfered
With By the Reality of Nature And What Science Shows is Natural FROM THE "WEST;"

A Lot of Suffering Has Occurred With the Phrase "In God's Name" Or According Now
to Whatever Contrived So-Called Morals and Laws Are Imagined and Co-Created As Part

Of Culture, Religion, And Politics to Bind and Bond Group Think Over Common Ideologies

And Symbols as
Such to Work Together
in A Way that May Harm
Marginalized People Who

Are Not Of Majority Identity,
Sexual Orientation, And Or Behavior,
And All the Other Human Variances;

NoW As Some Cultural, Religious, And
Political Ideologies, And Symbols Still Do HARM;

Yawn, i had 'HeART' Encompassing Crushes
on Girls in Second Grade and i Didn't Fully
Understand What Sex Was Until after 18 Years Old;

And Masturbation Until 16 Years Old back in the 'Old
Days' When that Information Was Well Censored From the Public...

It Wouldn't Have Been the Same Today; And i Probably Would Have
Wasted A Lot of Time And Not Become Nearly as Intellectually Bright...

Yet i Might Have
Smiled More; Yes
Yes! Even More, And Been a Lot
Less Frustrated, hehe... Hmm...

VERY Frustrated For Years and Years and years...

And Nah, That's Not Natural Until After 16 Either
At Least in Solo Endeavors of Personal Exploration...

Anyway Again, Little Kids Get Emotional Crushes And
Obviously that isn't Limited to one Sexual Orientation
or Gender Identity Either. Little Kids Are Curious And

That Will Lead to Potential Mental Illness, if They Do Orientate
Their Emotional Crushes in Second Grade or Even Kindergarten to Same Gender

And Others Suggest That's Not Normal And They Are Deviant and Not Even
"Heaven Material" And Even Worse May be Tortured in Hell Forever for Who

THEY NATURALLY ARE;

As i Still Remember Butterfly Feelings in my Stomach then in Kindergarten
For A Girl in The Church Choir and i thought maybe i was getting sick, hehe...

A Lot of Adults These
Days Understand A lot
More About Sex than Love

And THAT'S For Damned Sure Sad TOO...

Overall, i'm Glad i Grew up Without FULL Sexual
Activity Until after i was 18; i Learned to Love by

HeART, 'the LASTING PArT' that Actually Keeps Folks Together

In Warm Bonding Ways, Long After All the Heat Goes Away and
The Stresses of Life Are Endured By A Supporting HeART More than

Just

Body

Parts...

Not All People Experience the
Oxytocin Warm Feelings That Holding
Hands Brings So Warm and Content; Yep,

'You' May Experience That With Grand Ma

or the Little Girl You Have an Innocent Crush on in Kindergarten
With HeART, Before All the Complicated Life Changing Stuff Comes...

If The Child Asks The Teacher, "Is Having Crushes on the Same Gender"
Normal; The Teacher Should Be Able to Say Science Says Yes and Leave it at Normal...

Who Knows,

One Day
Sooner than
Soon, THAT Might
Help Prevent World War III...

At Least in Part; As Generally
Speaking, Folks Who Learn to Love
With 'HeART' Are More Empathic and
Compassionate And Less Likely to Start Wars

Than the Colder
More 'Reptilian;
Folks Among

Us Who are Either
Born that Way, Sadly
in some Rare Cases; or Through
Neglect And Or Abuse, And Just Don't Get
Wired for the "Oxytocin Warmth" of Natural Human Love...

Or Lose it Later in Life Through Harm As Well...

i've Seen Putin Hugging His Dogs; He isn't
Likely Completely 'Psychopathic', and Likely Never
Harmed Small Animals; Sadly, It Seems He Went Straight

to Humans;

At Least He
Hugged A Dog
Once in His Life;
Better Warmth than Nothing...

We Most All Have the Potential
For Great Kindness And Love in this Life

Or Under A Lesser 'God' A Way of Ignorance, Fear,
And All Stuff Associated With Hate; Schools Now May
Be An Only Place For Some Children to Gain 'Real' Lasting 'Morals'...

Ones that
Reach Out and
Touch Love For
Everyone; Not Just "The Church Group Think;"

Yes, Based on Science And The Natural World At Best...

i'm Not Holding My Breath in the Place Where 'Florida Men' Live...

Yet On the Other Hands, The Peers of LGBQT Kids Walking Out of Schools
Where This Ignorant Legislation Was Passed in Florida Shows Those Children

May Have Support

Now In Some of the
Best Places Possible;

Yep, Among the Next
FRiEnD They May meet in School...

And That too Might Prevent A World War III,

One day too...

Or Other Issues

of The 'Unwanted
Toys of Humanity'...



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20 Mar 2022, 5:01 pm

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Cognitive markers of sexual desire emerge during early puberty, including identifiable sexual thoughts and sexual attractions. About 25% of young adults report “thinking a lot about sex” as 11–12 year olds (both boys and girls) (Larsson & Svedin, 2002).

Puberty and Adolescent Sexuality - NCBI

https://www.google.com/search?q=when+do ... nt=gws-wiz


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20 Mar 2022, 5:09 pm

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Even as infants, children are capable of sexual arousal; newborn baby boys can have penile erections. It’s an automatic bodily response, just like cutting a fresh onion can make your eyes water (even though you are not sad). These behaviors are very different from adult sexuality and self-stimulatory behavior. With young children, bodily responses don’t involve sexual fantasy; they are just something that feels soothing or good.


https://ncsby.org/content/childhood-sexual-development


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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20 Mar 2022, 5:11 pm

I used to feel….definitely….SOMETHING when I would read my older brother’s Playboy around the age of 9 or so.

I also “felt something” when I kissed a little girl during a puppy-love thing when I was 9. To clarify, she was 8 when I was 9.



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20 Mar 2022, 5:45 pm

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Adolescence is the dawn of sexual attraction. It happens due to the hormonal changes of puberty. These changes involve both the body and the mind — so just thinking about someone attractive can cause physical arousal.


https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/sexua ... ation.html


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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20 Mar 2022, 5:56 pm

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Gender identity and sexual orientation are often confused. As previously discussed, gender identity describes the gender(s) people consider themselves to be (masculine, feminine, or transgender where their gender identity does not match their biological sex). Sexual orientation refers to a person's pattern of attraction to other people including physical, emotional, sexual, and romantic attraction.

Throughout adolescence, most youth will question their sexual orientation in one way or another. This can be a confusing time because it is quite possible to be emotionally attracted to one gender but physically attracted to the other.
https://www.gracepointwellness.org/1310 ... rientation


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
Read my lips:-I am not a fan of the orange man.-I would never vote for the Republican party given the chance.-I am interested in being objective and rational.


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20 Mar 2022, 5:57 pm

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The issue of what age children should be exposed to these concepts should be left to educators and school psychologists. People who know what they are doing.

Not to moronic republicans or the MAGA brigade who rely on their version of white jesus who in their minds only blesses straight white christians.

Anyone who takes advice ftom De Santis should realise he demonstrates a poor understanding of these issues and should really be censured,
You nailed it, sir!

I think it’s good to have multiple influences in your life. Parents, teachers and otherwise. There’s more to life than what one or two adults teach you.


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20 Mar 2022, 6:06 pm

Pepe, it doesn't matter how many cherry-picked articles you spam this thread with in support of your assertions - we know what we experienced as 5 year-olds, and you don't.

That's just the way it is, and it's something you're going to have to let go because continuing runs the risk of being taken as a denigration or denial of lived experience.


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20 Mar 2022, 6:22 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Pepe, it doesn't matter how many cherry-picked articles you spam this thread with in support of your assertions - we know what we experienced as 5 year-olds, and you don't.

That's just the way it is, and it's something you're going to have to let go because continuing runs the risk of being taken as a denigration or denial of lived experience.


I see I don’t have to re-type anything as it’s already been said.


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20 Mar 2022, 6:29 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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I think I understand your point and basically agree with it. I don't have an issue with "Heather has Two Mommies" as explaining to children parenting/relationships. "My Princess Boy" which was designed to tell five year olds they can change their gender is pushing the limits, imo.


Disagree.

Children at 5 can experience gender dysphoria due to being Transgendered.


Sounds like a fallacy to me.
Let me think about that.
Nope, still doesn't sound right.


In which way do they experience gender dysphoria at 5?

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Why shouldn't they have an age appropriate education of it's existence so that they know what they're experiencing is an actual known thing and they're not crazy and there's nothing wrong with them?


Just my opinion, but gender dysphoria wouldn't be experienced/known at 5.
Do you mean they might prefer to play with dolls?
*I* "play" with action figures, btw. :oops:

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Withholding basic facts like this is damaging to Trans kids and serves no purpose except to enforce some adult decision makers' bigotry.

Why is the subject even brought up with a 5 year old in the first place? :scratch:


Did you know your gender at 5 years old?

I certainly knew mine. (As well as my sexual orientation for that matter.)

Why wouldn’t a 5 year old know if they were male or female identifying at 5yo?


Yes I did but this is anecdotal evidence. I had no clue of my sexual orientation tho and no need to know about trangendering. The reality of the world may vary. If the suicide rate after transforming wasn't a lot higher than the norm, I wouldn't think twice about the sex ed program.



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20 Mar 2022, 9:51 pm

I'm reversing my ^statement, I would still be against a sex ed program for a five year old. I do not agree and think it's wrong.



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20 Mar 2022, 10:11 pm

txfz1 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
txfz1 wrote:
I think I understand your point and basically agree with it. I don't have an issue with "Heather has Two Mommies" as explaining to children parenting/relationships. "My Princess Boy" which was designed to tell five year olds they can change their gender is pushing the limits, imo.


Disagree.

Children at 5 can experience gender dysphoria due to being Transgendered.


Sounds like a fallacy to me.
Let me think about that.
Nope, still doesn't sound right.


In which way do they experience gender dysphoria at 5?

goldfish21 wrote:
Why shouldn't they have an age appropriate education of it's existence so that they know what they're experiencing is an actual known thing and they're not crazy and there's nothing wrong with them?


Just my opinion, but gender dysphoria wouldn't be experienced/known at 5.
Do you mean they might prefer to play with dolls?
*I* "play" with action figures, btw. :oops:

goldfish21 wrote:
Withholding basic facts like this is damaging to Trans kids and serves no purpose except to enforce some adult decision makers' bigotry.

Why is the subject even brought up with a 5 year old in the first place? :scratch:


Did you know your gender at 5 years old?

I certainly knew mine. (As well as my sexual orientation for that matter.)

Why wouldn’t a 5 year old know if they were male or female identifying at 5yo?


Yes I did but this is anecdotal evidence. I had no clue of my sexual orientation tho and no need to know about trangendering. The reality of the world may vary. If the suicide rate after transforming wasn't a lot higher than the norm, I wouldn't think twice about the sex ed program.


People seem to be confused about the difference between "Gender Identity" and "Sexual attraction".
I doubt many 5 year olds would be masturbating while fantasising about a sexual partner.


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
Read my lips:-I am not a fan of the orange man.-I would never vote for the Republican party given the chance.-I am interested in being objective and rational.


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21 Mar 2022, 12:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe going to get a smack on the bottom


I will try not to enjoy it...
...but I can't promise anything/k... :mrgreen:


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
Read my lips:-I am not a fan of the orange man.-I would never vote for the Republican party given the chance.-I am interested in being objective and rational.


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21 Mar 2022, 12:50 am

txfz1 wrote:
I'm reversing my ^statement, I would still be against a sex ed program for a five year old. I do not agree and think it's wrong.


Umm, there have been age appropriate sex ed classes for 5 year olds for decades. I’m 39 years old. We had appropriate curriculum taught to us about private parts and that they’re not to be touched by others/adults/strangers and about “the No feeling,” should someone do those things. It’s important to teach children about genitalia & not being molested and what to do about it if it happens or someone attempts it.


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