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17 Apr 2022, 6:22 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
If there was no shift in attitude, then it becomes difficult to understand what Jesus was for.
It says outright in Genesis 3 what Jesus was for:
:arrow: Note: the capitalization of Seed and His is a Bible translator convention when God or Jesus are referred to.
"
14 And YHWH God says to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed [are] you above all the livestock, and above every beast of the field: on your belly you go, and dust you eat, [for] all days of your life;

15 and I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He bruises your head, and you bruise His heel.”
"
Since the FM and CFS/ME are roughing me up today & I'm not much good for deep thinking or abundant typing, I will suggest the commentaries here https://biblehub.com/commentaries/genesis/3-15.htm

Sorry to hear you're feeling rough, hope you get better soon.

It's hard for me to figure out what that Genesis quote was trying to say. Best guess, something like "God set up a war between (taken literally) people and snakes, which symbolically means good and evil." But I don't see how that gives Jesus a role. The commentaries seem to be trying to translate the highly mystical, symbolic words of Genesis into something a little more tangible, and they offer the possibility that it might have meant that Jesus would one day come and resolve the conflict - or something like that - but they stop short of saying exactly what it might mean. Is it even known what the average person would have understood by it all when it was first written? I get the impression that ancient minds had very different ways of thinking to the way we think nowadays, and it seems odd that Christians still tell modern humans that the Bible is completely true, that it's all in there. Even the experts struggle to make sense of it and don't know exactly what some of it might have meant. There's a phrase "it's all Greek to me," meaning "this makes no sense to me," and this is a quantum leap more nebulous than Greek. So, sad to say, from my point of view, which is the only one I have, I can't see any clear indication of a role for Jesus in it.

There's nothing mystical about it.

I see it this way: it is either right or it's not. There's not much point in writing it down if it can't be understood, so pretty much it all has to be taken at face value if it's to be understood at all. Even Ezekiel’s wheel, one of my favorite images in prophetic and apocalyptic works, has a very simple explanation relating to divine attributes--wheels covered with eyes signifying that the One sending the message is all-seeing, all-knowing. I hear a lot of people joke about what Ezekiel was smoking or what mushrooms he ate to have that vision, but it isn't a mystery to believers who recognize omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience.

To be fair, I don't know many Christians who immediately pick up on it at first reading. Apocalyptic writing can come across as very weird. Christians are more concerned with salvation, not having a thorough knowledge of scripture. That comes later. But it's not like we can't study it on our initiative. I seem to know more than most because I find learning about it to be enjoyable and worth the time. I had a brief interest in apologetics. I got burned out when I realized that more often the people I would defend my faith to were not inclined to change their position. I also have an issue with what it means to “defend” something: the implication is that there is something wrong with faith such that it needs defending, and that's not at all what I believe. I also discovered that classic apologetic arguments accept the premise that God doesn't exist and fail to assert that Jesus is necessary for salvation. I still think the ontological argument is pretty cool because it ties in with why people can still be aware of God and the plan of salvation and still reject God.

I enjoy that kind of thing. I don't think most Christians are into it, and because things I feel are fairly obvious remain a mystery to believers who haven't given it much thought, it's unreasonable to expect unbelievers to understand it any better.



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17 Apr 2022, 6:42 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
I hope he doesn't mean us. But there's not much nuance in his words.


Paul totally means us, means you, means me, means every human who ever lived.



What, even verses 29 to 31?
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

I don't claim to be perfect, but that list of offenses is laughably wide of the mark, as it is for most atheists. So if he totally meant me, he's made a huge mistake. I can't speak for Kortie, but somehow I feel pretty sure he didn't commit many of those sins either.

“28 And because they did not think it worthwhile to acknowledge God, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong.”

Thing is, even if those things describe you or any atheist, you lack a reasoning mind to discern that you are thus afflicted. NOTA PERSONAL ATTACK, just going by what the Bible has to say on the matter.

Taken in context, though, it refers to a chain of behaviors occurring over time, perhaps through generations during which righteousness is discarded in favor of total depravity. This more accurately describes Noah’s world, Sodom, and various civilizations that have come and gone. Simply being an atheist may go against logic, but being an atheist alone is not enough to incur God's wrath on a culture or civilization. Being an atheist doesn't mean you don't love God. You love God every time you obey His commandments, such as granting justice and loving your neighbor. Yet it is irrational to obey a God you claim not to believe in. So the Gentile world is plagued by a pattern of following unbelief to its logical conclusion: Rebellion against God and natural order. Once all faith AND reason are abandoned, wrath follows.



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17 Apr 2022, 7:44 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Not exactly true. The Bible is the most reliably copied ancient text there is.




Considering the 'Other Ancient Texts,' That's Surely Not A Surprise; Nor Did i Suggest
The Bible wasn't the Most Reliably Copied Ancient Text; Yet Key Here, is Ancient Text;

And Sure, After it Was Actually Printed in the 15th Century, More Resources Went into Insuring
The Copying Veracity of it; As Western Civilizations Pushed And Forced Folks to Believe in It
Then As Theocracies

Finally Changed into

Democracies; And Yes,

It's Still Taken Centuries,

Since the United States

Declaration of Independence,

Even Separated From 'Paul And the
Standard of Women Being Inferior to Speak

On Matters in Church;' And Subjugating And
Controlling Them Mostly For Patriarchal Controls of Reproductive Freedoms;

For Instance, Rules For Female Teachers As Illustrated by Illinois State University From 1915:

"1915 Rules for Teachers

1. You will not marry during the term of your contract.

2. You are not to keep company with men.

3. You must be home between the hours of 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. unless attending a school function.

4. You may not loiter downtown in ice cream stores.

5. You may not travel beyond the city limits unless you have the permission of the chairman of the board.

6. You may not ride in a carriage or automobile with any man unless he is your father or brother.

7. You may not smoke cigarettes.

8. You may not dress in bright colors.

9. You may under no circumstances dye your hair.

10. You must wear at least two petticoats.

11. Your dresses must not be any shorter than 2 inches above the ankle.

12. To keep the school room neat and clean, you must sweep the floor at least once daily, scrub the floor at least once a week with hot, soapy water, clean the blackboards at least once a day and start the fire at 7 a.m. so the room will be warm by 8 a.m."

Women Finally Got the Right To Vote in 1920; And Change Started to Happen In A More Democratic Way for Half
the Population Marginalized in Control and Subjugation This Way; And Yes, Practically 'Through the Ages' This Way

As We Surely Didn't
Treat Women then

Much Better Than Current
Extreme Sharia Styled Muslim Countries...

That Much Has Changed, Despite the Ignorance
of the Old Christian Bible; Despite the Ignorance

in a Suggestion that An All Forgiving, Merciful, Loving God,
Who Loves Enemies; Also, Lies Without Integrity And Does the Opposite

By Burning Foes in Torturing Fire of Suffering forever; That Will Never
EVER
NOW BE

RECONCILED
IN ANY DEFINITION
OF A GOD OF LOVE FOR REAL;

PERIOD; END OF EVIL DAMNED STORY;

HOWEVER, As i've Already Related, there is
Some Cross-Cultural Evidence of Truth that
May Be Derived From Some Parts of the Book in Alignments
With Other Religions That Actually Increase Well Being in this Lifetime Now;

The Christian Religion aS A Whole Believes, if the Myth of LITERAL BODILY Resurrection of

'Jesus' IS Not True, Then The Whole Scheme is A Worthless Ruse; And In Effect, in Saying That

They Express
The Total Value
of Their Religion;

All A Myth; And in Terms
of Truth, A Biggest Lie Ever Told
in Torturing Part of Creation Forever in Suffering....

That's Just sick; However, Some Folks Believe "Q-Anon
Non-Sense," So Go Figure, This is the Human Condition, Fully
Expressed As Is...

i Didn't Fall off
A 'Turnip Truck';

At Least Not After
i Found Balance in Life...

As far As i'm Concerned,
Folks May Believe Whatever
They Like As Long As They Don't
Destroy The Freedoms of Others; As
Some Apparently Want to Make this Country
More of A Theocracy Again Than Democracy,

Where More Marginalized Folks Are Bullied And Abused Again...

Fortunately, We Have Freedom of Information/Expression; And An Unsuccessful
Attempt by the 'Trump Scheme' of Overthrowing Part of Our Representative
Democracy By Inciting a Deadly Insurrection As Validated By The Republican
House of Representatives And Senate Leaders At the Date of the Deadly Insurrection...

As Long As We Have
Democracy, The Lies of
Religion that Seek to Control
And Subjugate The Freedoms of
Marginalized Folks Will Continue to Fail...

i Saw Through the Ruse, Before i Could Speak
At age 4; Easy Enough to See the Kingdom of God
Within; i am a Leaf Still Now That Greens my Tree Falling to Soils
And Greening New Trees of Life in A Forest Soul Whole of Existence;

Water,
Wave,
Ocean Whole;

Particle, Wave
And Field; Yep,

And A 'Zillion' other
Metaphors Plus For Being
Part of All that is And More;

Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

With a Large Enough God Within to Love
iT All DarK Thru LiGHT; Other than that to Each Her or HiS Own...

There Are Some Catholic Priests Like 'Richard Rohr', Who Have Presented
The Metaphors of the Bible Differently; Like Hell is Just A Ridiculous As Literal
Concept After Death As i've Always Seen it too; He Managed to Keep His Spot as

A Priest; Albeit A 'Franciscan' One As That 'Saint' Was A Rebel more Like a 'Lucifer' in

Light Bringing
Ways too; In Other
Words, Someone With
A More Open Mind than
Those Bound to Literal Traditions; IN BLACK AND WHITE;

STiLL NoW, Refusing to Move Out of That Cave, No Matter What;

i Know many Folks Like that in Life; And Some of them i Love
As Much As Anyone Else; From Different Religions too; It Wouldn't

Be Any more
Fair Now to

Marginalize
Folks Unworthy

of Love; Just For their
Ignorance; Both Nature
And Nurture Influenced As Such...

i Understand The Beast of Human Irrationality
And i Live With it Just Fine; It What it is; And the

Bible Surely Does A Fantastic Job Expressing Just
How Irrational the Human Condition is; We Are A Story

Making Creature Who Bonds and Binds Over Stories
(Yep Religion)

No Matter How

Ridiculous

Or Even Dark

They Are; Evidence

Enough With the Old
Christian Bible Verily, For Sure;

Again, It is What it is; Adapt, Survive,
And Thrive

Or

DO NOT,
in this One
Life For Real Now...

You Are Very Knowledgable
About Your Special Interest
of the Bible; i Also Know Folks

Who Are Very Knowledgeable
About their Video Games to the Same Extent;

And i Do Respect That; As That Is What they Love to Do;

Again, Now,

It is What it is;

The Human Condition;

Stories We Run on True or False, Equally As Such;

And Obviously, Both Truth and Morality is Relative, Depending on Make And Model

of Vehicle And Vessel of Human Being; Yep, Depending on Nature And Nurture As Such;

The Old Christian Bible Proves That As Much As Any Book too; Both False As True, Ironically As Such...

Religion is Part of
Human Nature; it
Ain't Going Away; i Have
Hope it Will Improve Even More...

Not Gonna Go As Far As Faith, Though; at
Least At this Point From What i've Seen in the
United States, Since 2016; Ranging From the Trump
Fiasco of Lies to Not Requiring Masks and Social Distancing
At Church During the Most Dangerous Parts of the Delta Variant

Where So Many

Folks Who Didn't
Have to Die, Died

For the Lies They Believed in;
Also Sadly Supported By Church Rules too;

Walmart Had Greater Morality and Ethics
Taking Care of their Employees then...
Pretty Sad, When Corporations Are
More concerned With Healing Practices

Than Church

And A So-Called
God of Love who
Tortures Folks Forever
Who Are Foes, They Once
Loved With Total Mercy And forgiving;

And That Explains So Much of the Ills of Our Society Now,

at
least
In Part..

Folks Are Indeed
influenced So Much
in Their Day to Day Life;

Depending on What Kind of
Religion They Hold Near And
Dear And Sacred And Holy Ranging

Again From Politics to Religion to Video
Games to Sports to Just Never Ending Religions

Of All Colors and Black And White That Bind and
Bond the Human Condition, in Some Kind of Systemizing Way of Order;

And Or Human Arts Coloring
Souls New With
Heaven
Within
Divine
Holy
And
Sacred
For Real True;

Yep, Now
And HiStory
STiLL Shows

Most Anything
Goes, Folks Will
Agree to in Crowd
Source Thinking Ways...

Most Everyone Where i Live
Believes Similar to You; Meh,

i Have No Problem Getting Along With
These Folks Here; Through The History
of my Life, i'm Usually Noted As A Most 'Perfect
Example of a Christian'; Even the 23 Years, At Work,

i Never
Entered
A Church
at All; Some of
Us Are Just Good Natured Folks,
Born With Open Arms for Every Stranger
As My Mother Said i Was, Well Before i Could Speak at 4...

i Did A Catholic Easter Service on the Festival Grounds today;
And A Southern Baptist Easter Feast on the Grounds There too;

Usually, Wherever i

Go People Smile;

i've Always Had
That Effect on Decent
People; There Are Plenty
Christians and Muslims Who
Are Very Decent People As Long
As You Fit Well Enough in their Venn Diagrams,

For who is
Included or

Not In Life;

If i See Bullying
or Abuse Against Marginalized Folks;
They'll Know About it, When i'm Around...

i've Erased A Lot of it Within the Walls of Churches,
i've Attended in the Past; And that's Why i Still Go;
i Have the Ability to Still Make A Difference For Greater Good;

Even if it is Just
A Shared
SMiLe
Or Angelic
Songs With Wings Higher...

Not Much Different Than
The Years of Dance in Public
And Dance Halls As Well Still
Dancing Singing Wings Free ThiS Way Now...

Birthing Love
Always Now;
It's What i Do
New Where Welcome;

And Even WHere i am Not Welcome too...

Happy Easter
Always Now;
Every Breath
A Gift, A New Miracle of
Living Birth Now For Real RiSinG;

Indeed, Every Breath, A Resurrection Ever Now;
A New Creation With Every Human Breath Inhaling

Peace
Exhaling
LoVE New NoW iN
JoY oF LiGHT For All
With Least Harm; Giving,
Sharing, Caring, Healing New Now..:)

https://news.illinoisstate.edu/2014/02/rules-one-room-schoolhouse-teachers/



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17 Apr 2022, 8:22 pm

aghogday wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Not exactly true. The Bible is the most reliably copied ancient text there is.




Considering the 'Other Ancient Texts,' That's Surely Not A Surprise; Nor Did i Suggest
The Bible wasn't the Most Reliably Copied Ancient Text; Yet Key Here, is Ancient Text;

And Sure, After it Was Actually Printed in the 15th Century, More Resources Went into Insuring
The Copying Veracity of it; As Western Civilizations Pushed And Forced Folks to Believe in It
Then As Theocracies

Finally Changed into

Democracies; And Yes,

It's Still Taken Centuries,

Since the United States

Declaration of Independence,

Even Separated From 'Paul And the
Standard of Women Being Inferior to Speak

On Matters in Church;' And Subjugating And
Controlling Them Mostly For Patriarchal Controls of Reproductive Freedoms;

For Instance, Rules For Female Teachers As Illustrated by Illinois State University From 1915:

"1915 Rules for Teachers

1. You will not marry during the term of your contract.

2. You are not to keep company with men.

3. You must be home between the hours of 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. unless attending a school function.

4. You may not loiter downtown in ice cream stores.

5. You may not travel beyond the city limits unless you have the permission of the chairman of the board.

6. You may not ride in a carriage or automobile with any man unless he is your father or brother.

7. You may not smoke cigarettes.

8. You may not dress in bright colors.

9. You may under no circumstances dye your hair.

10. You must wear at least two petticoats.

11. Your dresses must not be any shorter than 2 inches above the ankle.

12. To keep the school room neat and clean, you must sweep the floor at least once daily, scrub the floor at least once a week with hot, soapy water, clean the blackboards at least once a day and start the fire at 7 a.m. so the room will be warm by 8 a.m."

Women Finally Got the Right To Vote in 1920; And Change Started to Happen In A More Democratic Way for Half
the Population Marginalized in Control and Subjugation This Way; And Yes, Practically 'Through the Ages' This Way

As We Surely Didn't
Treat Women then

Much Better Than Current
Extreme Sharia Styled Muslim Countries...

That Much Has Changed, Despite the Ignorance
of the Old Christian Bible; Despite the Ignorance

in a Suggestion that An All Forgiving, Merciful, Loving God,
Who Loves Enemies; Also, Lies Without Integrity And Does the Opposite

By Burning Foes in Torturing Fire of Suffering forever; That Will Never
EVER
NOW BE

RECONCILED
IN ANY DEFINITION
OF A GOD OF LOVE FOR REAL;

PERIOD; END OF EVIL DAMNED STORY;

HOWEVER, As i've Already Related, there is
Some Cross-Cultural Evidence of Truth that
May Be Derived From Some Parts of the Book in Alignments
With Other Religions That Actually Increase Well Being in this Lifetime Now;

The Christian Religion aS A Whole Believes, if the Myth of LITERAL BODILY Resurrection of

'Jesus' IS Not True, Then The Whole Scheme is A Worthless Ruse; And In Effect, in Saying That

They Express
The Total Value
of Their Religion;

All A Myth; And in Terms
of Truth, A Biggest Lie Ever Told
in Torturing Part of Creation Forever in Suffering....

That's Just sick; However, Some Folks Believe "Q-Anon
Non-Sense," So Go Figure, This is the Human Condition, Fully
Expressed As Is...

i Didn't Fall off
A 'Turnip Truck';

At Least Not After
i Found Balance in Life...

As far As i'm Concerned,
Folks May Believe Whatever
They Like As Long As They Don't
Destroy The Freedoms of Others; As
Some Apparently Want to Make this Country
More of A Theocracy Again Than Democracy,

Where More Marginalized Folks Are Bullied And Abused Again...

Fortunately, We Have Freedom of Information/Expression; And An Unsuccessful
Attempt by the 'Trump Scheme' of Overthrowing Part of Our Representative
Democracy By Inciting a Deadly Insurrection As Validated By The Republican
House of Representatives And Senate Leaders At the Date of the Deadly Insurrection...

As Long As We Have
Democracy, The Lies of
Religion that Seek to Control
And Subjugate The Freedoms of
Marginalized Folks Will Continue to Fail...

i Saw Through the Ruse, Before i Could Speak
At age 4; Easy Enough to See the Kingdom of God
Within; i am a Leaf Still Now That Greens my Tree Falling to Soils
And Greening New Trees of Life in A Forest Soul Whole of Existence;

Water,
Wave,
Ocean Whole;

Particle, Wave
And Field; Yep,

And A 'Zillion' other
Metaphors Plus For Being
Part of All that is And More;

Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

With a Large Enough God Within to Love
iT All DarK Thru LiGHT; Other than that to Each Her or HiS Own...

There Are Some Catholic Priests Like 'Richard Rohr', Who Have Presented
The Metaphors of the Bible Differently; Like Hell is Just A Ridiculous As Literal
Concept After Death As i've Always Seen it too; He Managed to Keep His Spot as

A Priest; Albeit A 'Franciscan' One As That 'Saint' Was A Rebel more Like a 'Lucifer' in

Light Bringing
Ways too; In Other
Words, Someone With
A More Open Mind than
Those Bound to Literal Traditions; IN BLACK AND WHITE;

STiLL NoW, Refusing to Move Out of That Cave, No Matter What;

i Know many Folks Like that in Life; And Some of them i Love
As Much As Anyone Else; From Different Religions too; It Wouldn't

Be Any more
Fair Now to

Marginalize
Folks Unworthy

of Love; Just For their
Ignorance; Both Nature
And Nurture Influenced As Such...

i Understand The Beast of Human Irrationality
And i Live With it Just Fine; It What it is; And the

Bible Surely Does A Fantastic Job Expressing Just
How Irrational the Human Condition is; We Are A Story

Making Creature Who Bonds and Binds Over Stories
(Yep Religion)

No Matter How

Ridiculous

Or Even Dark

They Are; Evidence

Enough With the Old
Christian Bible Verily, For Sure;

Again, It is What it is; Adapt, Survive,
And Thrive

Or

DO NOT,
in this One
Life For Real Now...

You Are Very Knowledgable
About Your Special Interest
of the Bible; i Also Know Folks

Who Are Very Knowledgeable
About their Video Games to the Same Extent;

And i Do Respect That; As That Is What they Love to Do;

Again, Now,

It is What it is;

The Human Condition;

Stories We Run on True or False, Equally As Such;

And Obviously, Both Truth and Morality is Relative, Depending on Make And Model

of Vehicle And Vessel of Human Being; Yep, Depending on Nature And Nurture As Such;

The Old Christian Bible Proves That As Much As Any Book too; Both False As True, Ironically As Such...

Religion is Part of
Human Nature; it
Ain't Going Away; i Have
Hope it Will Improve Even More...

Not Gonna Go As Far As Faith, Though; at
Least At this Point From What i've Seen in the
United States, Since 2016; Ranging From the Trump
Fiasco of Lies to Not Requiring Masks and Social Distancing
At Church During the Most Dangerous Parts of the Delta Variant

Where So Many

Folks Who Didn't
Have to Die, Died

For the Lies They Believed in;
Also Sadly Supported By Church Rules too;

Walmart Had Greater Morality and Ethics
Taking Care of their Employees then...
Pretty Sad, When Corporations Are
More concerned With Healing Practices

Than Church

And A So-Called
God of Love who
Tortures Folks Forever
Who Are Foes, They Once
Loved With Total Mercy And forgiving;

And That Explains So Much of the Ills of Our Society Now,

at
least
In Part..

Folks Are Indeed
influenced So Much
in Their Day to Day Life;

Depending on What Kind of
Religion They Hold Near And
Dear And Sacred And Holy Ranging

Again From Politics to Religion to Video
Games to Sports to Just Never Ending Religions

Of All Colors and Black And White That Bind and
Bond the Human Condition, in Some Kind of Systemizing Way of Order;

And Or Human Arts Coloring
Souls New With
Heaven
Within
Divine
Holy
And
Sacred
For Real True;

Yep, Now
And HiStory
STiLL Shows

Most Anything
Goes, Folks Will
Agree to in Crowd
Source Thinking Ways...

Most Everyone Where i Live
Believes Similar to You; Meh,

i Have No Problem Getting Along With
These Folks Here; Through The History
of my Life, i'm Usually Noted As A Most 'Perfect
Example of a Christian'; Even the 23 Years, At Work,

i Never
Entered
A Church
at All; Some of
Us Are Just Good Natured Folks,
Born With Open Arms for Every Stranger
As My Mother Said i Was, Well Before i Could Speak at 4...

i Did A Catholic Easter Service on the Festival Grounds today;
And A Southern Baptist Easter Feast on the Grounds There too;

Usually, Wherever i

Go People Smile;

i've Always Had
That Effect on Decent
People; There Are Plenty
Christians and Muslim Who
Are Very Decent People As Long
As You Fit Well Enough in their Venn Diagrams,

For who is
Included or

Not In Life;

If i See Bullying
or Abuse Against Marginalized Folks;
They'll Know About it, When i'm Around...

i've Erased A Lot of it Within the Walls of Churches,
i've Attended in the Past; And that's Why i Still Go;
i Have the Ability to Still Make A Difference For Greater Good;

Even if it is Just
A Shared
SMiLe
Or Angelic
Songs With Wings Higher...

Not Much Different Than
The Years of Dance in Public
And Dance Halls As Well Still
Dancing Singing Wings Free ThiS Way Now...

Birthing Love
Always Now;
It's What i Do
New Where Welcome;

And Even WHere i am Not Welcome too...

Happy Easter
Always Now;
Every Breath
A Gift, A New Miracle of
Living Birth Now For Real RiSinG;

Indeed, Every Breath, A Resurrection Ever Now;
A New Creation With Every Human Breath Inhaling

Peace
Exhaling
LoVE New NoW iN
JoY oF LiGHT For All
With Least Harm; Giving,
Sharing, Caring, Healing New Now..:)

https://news.illinoisstate.edu/2014/02/rules-one-room-schoolhouse-teachers/



Some of the rules for teachers make great sense, such as cleaning and warming the room.

Rules regarding dress, modesty, and behavior after hours have the effect of protecting women from young men who might take advantage of them. Teachers should STILL dress modestly to avoid distracting students.

Not traveling alone with a man? Absolutely! Eliminates the possibility she's traveling out of town to sleep with a student. Getting board permission gives her an alibi. Not smoking? Smoking sets a bad example for students. Not hanging out at ice cream stores? Again, nobody likes teachers fraternizing with students.

I agree that there is some antiquated stuff there, like forbidding women to marry--although in historical context it makes sense but is irrelevant nowadays. But since teachers try to assert so many rights without considering the impact it has on the classroom, maybe teachers should have more restrictions. I’ve had to sign agreements stating I would not make political posts on social media. I’ve had to sign a pledge not to cooperate with ICE officials. I’m in a weird place because teachers aren't supposed to have kids stay in their homes, yet I have kids of my own who want to invite friends for sleepovers. Teaching is a dangerous profession on so many levels, so going back to 1915 rules might end up solving some problems we have now!



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17 Apr 2022, 9:15 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Remember where the rich young ruler came to Jesus and said that he had kept all the commandments, what else did he need to do and Jesus said to sell/give all his material wealth to the poor; and the guy went away sad because he had great wealth?


Was God commanding just him to do this or all of us?


I don't understand how that question even arises from the passage given, it is clear at simple face value that Jesus' conversation is with that specific guy about that guy's specific life.


It's also clear that the Bible promotes suicide if one is a sinner.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-30.htm

It isn't one's right hand that causes one to sin but one's thoughts in the brain. So, whatever causes you to sin one is supposed to remove. So, ergo, one is supposed to remove one's brain thereby killing oneself.

I read this at face value.

But, most people don't take this at face value.

You say take the other quote at face value. How exactly are we supposed to know what to take at face value or what requires a more in depth analysis?



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Because He hasn’t revealed Himself to me—plain and simple.

No long-winded philosophical discussion will convince me otherwise.

People who do “believe” I have respect for, and I will not try to convince them that it is otherwise.


Or, if he has revealed himself to me then he revealed himself in a way that went completely over my head. And, wouldn't God reveal himself in such a way that I would grasp? Would he reveal himself by speaking with old or middle English?

Why would God use a book with tons of text chocked filled with metaphors written in a style that confuses the heck out of me?

Or, for me why wouldn't he revel himself using Boolean logic and syllogisms?

If anything has been revealed to me then I completely missed the message and I didn't understand it.



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]Teaching is a dangerous profession on so many levels, so going back to 1915 rules might end up solving some problems we have now!




Safety And Freedom
Is A Balancing Act

From: Shutting
China Down Now
In Zero Tolerances
For Any Pandemic Variant

to: Pretending Like A Pandemic Doesn't
Even Exist Like Some of the People Pretended in the
Delta Variant Part Who Died in Florida Where i Live;

It's a Balance This

Freedom and
Safety Equation
Indeed And A Democracy

That Will Surely Color Our
World Somewhere Between
China And Florida Next With SMiLes

to Weeping
And Gnashing
of Teeth; Hehe, i'm a
Little Tired Tonight After
Getting A Fourth Moderna Booster With SMiLes...

i'm Also Conservative in Some Ways too A Balance
Is Necessary

For Boats
With Anchors
For Safe Harbors
And Sails to Find
Gardens of Edens For Real to Staycation...
More Or Less my Wife is Anchor and i am Sail...

It Works Out
Well Enough
For Heaven
On Earth Within For Real...

THere is Still A Sweet And
Endearing Innocence Still
Breathing in Some Countries i
Visit That Very Much Remind me
of The Nostalgia As Such in my Youth too...

Yet It's
True, it
Wasn't 1915;
Yet i Surely Knew
Some Folks Actually
Born in 1870 Then; Change

Change
Change

Change

And Back and
Forth Trips Now to
Innocence and Other Ways of Life New...

Ups and Downs; Gutter Balls And Strikes;
It'S How 'the Ball' Turns in Bowling Alley Life..:)



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AngelRho wrote:
]Teaching is a dangerous profession on so many levels, so going back to 1915 rules might end up solving some problems we have now!




[align=center]Safety And Freedom
Is A Balancing Act

So true, and very sad that it must be that way. When I’ve engaged feminists on this topic I’ve been hit with “why can't men just stop raping women?” Well...DUH! But exactly what do you think is going to happen, that evil men are just magically going to stop being evil? Absolutely, YES, women should feel free to wear what they want to parties and clubs without fear of being raped. Of course, rape victims shouldn't fear getting blamed for what someone else did to them. And yet there are risky behaviors and dress that contribute to a higher likelihood of being victimized. We can go back and forth all day and it changes nothing. I would prefer taking the route that allows me the most freedom while keeping me safe. There are ways of keeping above the influence and not having to worry about being assaulted.



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AngelRho wrote:
aghogday wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
]Teaching is a dangerous profession on so many levels, so going back to 1915 rules might end up solving some problems we have now!




[align=center]Safety And Freedom
Is A Balancing Act

So true, and very sad that it must be that way. When I’ve engaged feminists on this topic I’ve been hit with “why can't men just stop raping women?” Well...DUH! But exactly what do you think is going to happen, that evil men are just magically going to stop being evil? Absolutely, YES, women should feel free to wear what they want to parties and clubs without fear of being raped. Of course, rape victims shouldn't fear getting blamed for what someone else did to them. And yet there are risky behaviors and dress that contribute to a higher likelihood of being victimized. We can go back and forth all day and it changes nothing. I would prefer taking the route that allows me the most freedom while keeping me safe. There are ways of keeping above the influence and not having to worry about being assaulted.


AngelRho, I understand where you're coming from and I would "would prefer taking the route that allows me the most freedom while keeping me safe" as well.

The thing is I kind of see what they're saying.

You can take all of the safety precautions you want and yes, you should take responsibility for your life by taking the safety precautions. But, let's say you do that and they fail. What happens is others criticize you for something you did or didn't do. Imagine it being constant. It is always something you failed to do or should have done. Imagine others day and and day out constantly telling you that you should've done this or should not have done that.

Or, the famous you have no common sense or something along these lines and you're constantly told this by various others day in and day out especially by certain groups who don't fully understand the situation because of who they are and their status in society.

This starts to grate on you. Have you ever heard the term mansplaining? It's when a guy who don't understand what it is like being a female gives unsolicited, BS, overly simplistic advice that is completely and utterly unhelpful that is filled with arrogance and privledge.

As an White, Autistic Male I've been on the receiving end of this BS for years in a different form so I do sort of understand where feminists are coming from. Right or Wrong! After a while, it makes me want to tell the NT person to take their advice and criticism and shove it where the sun don't shine.



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18 Apr 2022, 4:56 am

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AngelRho wrote:
aghogday wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
]Teaching is a dangerous profession on so many levels, so going back to 1915 rules might end up solving some problems we have now!




[align=center]Safety And Freedom
Is A Balancing Act

So true, and very sad that it must be that way. When I’ve engaged feminists on this topic I’ve been hit with “why can't men just stop raping women?” Well...DUH! But exactly what do you think is going to happen, that evil men are just magically going to stop being evil? Absolutely, YES, women should feel free to wear what they want to parties and clubs without fear of being raped. Of course, rape victims shouldn't fear getting blamed for what someone else did to them. And yet there are risky behaviors and dress that contribute to a higher likelihood of being victimized. We can go back and forth all day and it changes nothing. I would prefer taking the route that allows me the most freedom while keeping me safe. There are ways of keeping above the influence and not having to worry about being assaulted.


AngelRho, I understand where you're coming from and I would "would prefer taking the route that allows me the most freedom while keeping me safe" as well.

The thing is I kind of see what they're saying.

You can take all of the safety precautions you want and yes, you should take responsibility for your life by taking the safety precautions. But, let's say you do that and they fail. What happens is others criticize you for something you did or didn't do. Imagine it being constant. It is always something you failed to do or should have done. Imagine others day and and day out constantly telling you that you should've done this or should not have done that.

Or, the famous you have no common sense or something along these lines and you're constantly told this by various others day in and day out especially by certain groups who don't fully understand the situation because of who they are and their status in society.

This starts to grate on you. Have you ever heard the term mansplaining? It's when a guy who don't understand what it is like being a female gives unsolicited, BS, overly simplistic advice that is completely and utterly unhelpful that is filled with arrogance and privledge.

As an White, Autistic Male I've been on the receiving end of this BS for years in a different form so I do sort of understand where feminists are coming from. Right or Wrong! After a while, it makes me want to tell the NT person to take their advice and criticism and shove it where the sun don't shine.

As I said, we can go back and forth on this and get nowhere. I get where they are coming from, too. It still doesn't change things.

Frankly, I don't care what feminists say. Those days on WP when you had loud feminist trolls are long gone and those women are banned. There is a fine line between activism and bullying that was often crossed back in the day. There are still women here who make feminist arguments without being demeaning towards men.



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The Bible was written in the scholarly forms of languages at the time:

Koine Greek
Aramaic
Hebrew

I don't believe it was translated into English until about the 14th century----John Wycliff comes to mind. It was considered almost sacrilegious to translate the Bible from the above scholarly languages into a vernacular language.

The King James Version was written in the English Vernacular of the early 1600s, with poetical flourishes. All literate people from that time could understand it very well. We have difficulty understanding the King James Version for the same reason why we have difficulty understanding Shakespeare. It's because the English language has changed so much in 400 years.



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18 Apr 2022, 10:26 am

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The Bible was written in the scholarly forms of languages at the time:

Koine Greek
Aramaic
Hebrew

I don't believe it was translated into English until about the 14th century----John Wycliff comes to mind. It was considered almost sacrilegious to translate the Bible from the above scholarly languages into a vernacular language.

The King James Version was written in the English Vernacular of the early 1600s, with poetical flourishes. All literate people from that time could understand it very well. We have difficulty understanding the King James Version for the same reason why we have difficulty understanding Shakespeare. It's because the English language has changed so much in 400 years.


That is True Kraftie. I tried to read the wealth of nations by adam smith. It was so difficult to understand because of the writing style. For the younger generations stories written from the late 1800s is difficult to understand. Stories like Oliver Twist.



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For some reason, in works written after the Restoration, the English language is much more easily understood by myself.

I believe there was, for some reason, a radical shift in how English is written after 1660.



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18 Apr 2022, 2:07 pm

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For some reason, in works written after the Restoration, the English language is much more easily understood by myself.

I believe there was, for some reason, a radical shift in how English is written after 1660.

For some reason, a lot of Victorian writing is clearer to me than anything before or after, though it depends on the author. 18th-Century writing can be pretty clear too. I guess thinking style has changed over the centuries.

One big problem with the ancient texts such as the Bible is that in many places they seem to be more symbolic than literal, and even the experts don't always agree on what the symbols may have meant. And if you don't know what it means, then even if it was absolutely correct for the people at the time it was written, in practice that's no longer the case, because time has changed us, and we can no longer understand it. It's not possible to believe or live by a statement that doesn't make sense to you, and if you tried to track down what the entire Bible means, you'd die of old age before you got there.

So one thing that separates me from religious assertions is my reasonable insistence that they must be intelligible to me. Otherwise all I can possibly know is that somebody has said something that doesn't make sense.



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SMiLes, There is Not Much Greater Evidence of
How Life, Overall, is the Results of A Rorschach Test,

We Both Make and Take as We Co-Create Our Realities
As Basically Hallucinations Based on Hallucinations We Co-Create Before

As Modern Neuroscience Suggests is True; Haha, IF the Last Years since
Trump Became President in A So-called Modern Advanced Super Rational

Country Don't Prove

The Fact That Humans

Are Not Rational At Core

And Most Decisions Run

On Emotional, Feeling, Sensing
Ways of Life First; One May Visit A Few

Christian Churches, Even in the So-Called
Same Denomination, Or Same Church Among
Members in How Each Individual Unique Human Being

Interprets the Bible; And In How even the Interpretations
Spoon-Fed By The Unique Poetry Seeing Eyes of the Pastor Are

Interpreted
And Related
to Others so

Differently Indeed...
As 'They' Say, You've Met
One Person on the Autism
Spectrum, You've only Met One Unique;

That Surely

Applies to All the Other Human Beings,
At Least For Those With the Ability to Get
in More Than Twitter Breath Conversations In Deeper

Ways With

Other Human

Beings; True, Just
A Nod of the Head,
or Yes or No; Doesn't Bring
Much Depth on What Their Rorschach Test of Being Is...

Basically, It's All Metaphor, Poetry, And Art As Metaphor This
Human Condition...

The Illusion
Is it is Rational
And Concrete;

Hey, Folks Report Their
Average IQ on this Internet
Site As Informally Polled And Sure
Biased As Somewhere Above 130;

However; That is A Very Small Measure

For What it Truly Takes to Inhale Peace,
Exhale LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT Giving, Sharing,
Caring, Healing All With Least Harm, Naked
Enough, Whole, Complete; i Didn't even Answer

The Question as i Know How Valuable my So-called Off the Charts High IQ
Was in School; Just Enough to Miss What it Means to Live and Love Free...

And Find People

Somewhere Around
the World Who Actually

Breathe ThiS Way; And They Do too...

And It's Also True, Even Though 'They' Don't Often
Understand the Depth of me in the Churches i visit;
Really, No Different Than the High IQ Limited Literal
Ways of Understanding me Here; They See it in my Eyes

And Dance;

Occasionally,
in Song too,

One on One
At Least; And
That's Naked Enough Whole Complete
And Verily That's Why i Dance And Smile;
The Oldest Human Languages Free As Well...

Yawn, Modern Science Suggests That All Language
is Metaphor And A Rorschach Test At Core; Sadly,

Folks Are Becoming More Literal Text Than Dance And Smiles With Song Free;

There Are Words With Life; There Are Words Without As Much Life; It's True my

Shells Were Empty

too; Until i Found

Some Essence

Within With
HeART; With
SPiRiT; With SoUL
of Real Social-Empathic-
Artistic, Spiritual Emotional Intelligences

That "Iain McGilchrist" Analyzes; a Psychiatrist, Writer, and Former Oxford Literary Scholar,
Coming into Prominence, After the Publication of His Book, "The Master and His Emissary,"
Subtitled, "The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World;" i'm Not So Sure, it Can
Be Neatly Divided into Left and Right Brain Processes As There is the Above of the Cerebrum
Two Hemispheres and the Below of the Cerebellum That Comprises 50 Percent of Neurons of the Human
Mammal Brain; And Yes, Also Related to Both Motor Coordination, Gross and Fine; And Emotional Regulation
And Sensory Integration As that Applies to Social Empathic Abilities too; Where Deficits in that Area of

The Brain Have Been
Correlated With those
Issues for Folks on the
Autism Spectrum As Well;

However, it Surely Makes Common Sense
Then In How my First Psychiatrist Diagnosed
Me With Deficits in Social-Empathic-Spiritual
Real Emotional Intelligences And Said Perhaps

My Right Hemisphere of my Mind Wasn't Making
A Very Good Connection With my Left Hemisphere;

Considering, i Scored a 45 on the AQ Scan for Extreme
Systemizing With Very High STANDARD IQ Mind then; With Such Rigid
Movement; So Much Described As A Robot Moving and A Computer

Mind Instead
of Fully Creative
And Human by my
Peers; So Many Years Before
the Diagnosis at age 47; So Infused
With Feeding my Mind Information Technology
And Financial Management to Keep A Job With the
Federal Government for 25 Years Before That; And i
Fell Ill with Some Autism Burn-out Literally in Hell for

66 Months;

There is Night
And Day Difference
in How Social-Empathic-Artistic-
Creative, Interpretive, Spiritual Emotional

Intelligence Has Transformed me as the Once
Robot Moving and Computer Brain 'Stuffed Shirted'

(Referencing the "Tin Man, Scarecrow, And Cowardly
Lion Afraid of His Shadow" On the "Wizard of Oz" too)

Human

Before
Free Verse Poetry
Flowed From Deep
Within my Right Hemisphere
Brain If One Wants to Use that
Metaphor of Science With a More
Fully Online And Fed Cerebellum As
Such With Free Dance to Light me All The
Way Up True too...

So Very Free...

Anyway, it Works as
Validated By those
Who took care of me
then; Scoring Down to An
11 on the AQ Scan; Scoring Up
to the Mid 90's From Emotional
Quotient Tests From the Mid 50's too;

And even Changing in that Old Personality
Test From INTJ to ENFP too; Transformation is

Possible; And With Human Imagination and Creativity

There Are NO DISCRETELY MEASURABLE SCIENTIFIC METHOD

WAYS TO DETERMINE

THE DEPTHS OF ALL

MY HUMAN INTELLIGENCE
NOW; HEHE, IF SOME FOLKS
CAN EVEN UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL...

Some Folks Do; That is Measure Enough for me;

True, They Have Extremely High IQ's Too; Yet the
Social-Empathic-Artistic-Spiritual Emotional Intelligences for

Them are Off
the Charts

Of Discrete
Science Measurements
in So-called Intelligence too...

As Far As What i Can And Actually
Do in Connecting to Other Humans in
Real Life And Around the Globe with this

Dancing And Singing Intelligence Who Get It...

There is No Measure Either of the Bliss it Brings ToGeTHeR
ThiS Way for Real

Except

For IT Does

Except for
IT Works Beyond
Measure Indeed;

(Other than Volume
And Response of Course)

And i Surely Understand
Why Most Folks Don't Likely
Get What Those Deeper Poets
of the Bible Were Trying to Get ACross...

The Fact, They Still Exist in A Book Mostly
Used to Expand Empires Shows the Utility in

Creating Art That Goes Straight Over the Head
For Those Mostly Concerned With "The Matter of Things"
As That Applies to A World of External Material Reductionism
in Literal Ways Versus A Vast NeW UNiVeRSE, This Kingdom of God Within;
Or The Right
Hemisphere
Brain And
Cerebellum
And Related Parts
of the Mind, More Lit
Up With New Colors Always
New Year-Round For Our Christmas
Trees That Stay LiT Up ALL Year and Are
Not Only Tried Out on Christmas And Easter Day...

Iain McGilchrist's Second Book is About 1500 Pages;

A Book That Doesn't Take me Long to Knock Out;

A Book Not Many People Will Come Close to Getting

Through; Yet the Human Mind is the Deepest 'Subject'

Of All, Worthy of New Exploration, Whether There is A Target

Audience

for Deeper
Explorations or Not...

Yawn, These Days With the Science
Assessed Average Human Attention
Span of Literally a Gold Fish,
Less than 3 Seconds; i Have

Never Expected Anyone
to Get Through Anything
i Create in Whole; However,

This is the Beauty of Autotelic
Flow, the Joy is Inherent in All i Do;

Applause or Recognition Not Required at all...

And At Least, i Have An Avenue Here to Be All of Who i Am...

Occasionally, Someone Like me Comes Around And Gets me;

Like i Said,

You've

Met Person
on the Autism
Spectrum; You've
Met Just one; Same

As Being Human For
Each Set of Unique Real
God of Nature Human Eyes As Every

Human UniVerse 'Seeing' Is Unique Indeed...

And Of Course, The Rest of Living And Even
Inanimate Creation as At Core It All Spirals Freely in Flow...

Sadly, Modern Society in Western and More Increasingly
Eastern Ways By Measure of "The Matter With Things"
Iain McGilchrist's Title of His New Book too; Tends

to Straight Jacket

Reality as

We Become
The Tools We
Have Created to
Use More than Wings
of Butterflies Free Out
of Cocoons, Stumbling Over
100 or So Caterpillar Legs Before

They Move Across the River Hades
In Dark And Become Their Own 'Super Hero' of God Free iN LiGHT oF Loving

iT All DarK Thru LiGHT too...

This Story Surely Isn't New; For Those Who Understand And Play It Through..:)



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The idioms and puns Shakespeare uses in his plays were quite evident to the illiterate theatre-goers of the Elizabethan Period—but rather obscure (on the surface) even for present-day English scholars.