Pastor Barnhart explains right-wing anti-abortion politics.
Yes, that's an official opinion by Polish Catholic bishops' congregation about a law proposed a few years ago by some citizen group. Not a pro-choice bunch they are, by any means, but even they saw a boundary here.
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WHEN the law is passed [and it will pass] THEN women CAN and WILL be charged with capital murder. curious law, women are to be discouraged from aborting their fetuses on pain of their own death. a life for a life. how backwards. it is already happening in a places like Guatemala, and in several bible belt states such as Oklahoma and Alabama.
I guess the only viable option would be to have the baby until full term and hand it over for adoption.
A punishment for promiscuity?
I think I will buy shares in "the morning after pill".
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in the bible belt, no. in louisiana it is up for a vote in the general state legislature whether or not to charge women with capital murder who are found to have aborted their fetus.
Exaggeration. Mississippi’s trigger law still allows abortion under special circumstances.
I thought this interesting because it provides some historical background - especially the statement given by Sarah Weddington to the Supreme Court hearing in 1972 (at 01:05):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-61356531
Why should any woman have lesser constitutional rights to bodily autonomy than a man?
A man is 100% responsible for an unwanted pregnancy - but this results in no change to his constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.
Women are to be treated differently constitutionally just because they are able to carry a child.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
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But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
https://www.healthline.com/health/trans ... t-pregnant
Transphobia is against the rules M-Mister Cornflake, um, sir.
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A man is 100% responsible for an unwanted pregnancy - but this results in no change to his constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.
Women are to be treated differently constitutionally just because they are able to carry a child.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
in the bible belt, no. in louisiana it is up for a vote in the general state legislature whether or not to charge women with capital murder who are found to have aborted their fetus.
Exaggeration. Mississippi’s trigger law still allows abortion under special circumstances.
It's Not An Exaggeration that Mitch McConnell Said That Abortion May Be Banned Nationwide
By Legislation if the Republicans Gain Mastery of the Political Rule Or 'Dictatorship'; However
That May Turn Out; Even Charging All Women in the United States With Capital Murder
if they Use Their Current Constitutional Right to Abortion if Roe Versus Wade
Is Overturned So in This Case, There May Be No Where for the Little Girl
Violently Raped By Her Big Daddy In Her Home to Escape What Feels Like
Evil Spawn Growing Within
As Sure The Cruel Republican
Rule Could Do Their Best to Outlaw
The Abortion Pill For 'The Day After'
The Cruel And Very Violent Rape by
Big Daddy too...
i Suppose One Could Suggest
That Little Girl's Sanctity of Breathing
LIFE DOESN'T COUNT; LIKE IT ALREADY
DOESN'T COUNT FOR LITTLE GIRLS WHO
ARE VIOLENTLY RAPED BY BIG DADDY'S NOW;
i Suppose One Could Suggest in The Catholic Church
i Visit as only An Anthropology Participant Observer, Among
Other Churches, only to Test The Waters of Real Good and Evil
(And Dance and Sing in Communion of Love Beyond Just Bread and Wine)
Within Those Doors; Yes, During the Peak of a Deadly Pandemic When
Social Distancing And Masks Were not Enforced in Every Mass to Protect
Both the Vulnerable And The Ignorant of Conspiracy Theories That Said the
Pandemic Was Planned and Not Even Real And Just Staged on TV With Refrigerator
Boxes With
no Real
Corpses
As Still Folks Insist
Here in 'Trump Town USA' (one of many)
Close to A Million Folks Didn't Really
Succumb to A Deadly Pandemic Now;
Yep, so Much for the Sanctity of Breathing
Life for the Vulnerable to A Pandemic and
Then There is the Sheriff of the County Who Promotes
on TV The Shooting of Any Intruder into A Home Without
Any Questions Asked; Yes the Shooting of them Dead With
Even Lessons to Improve Aim; Just to Save the Sheriff's Office
And County
Money and to Hell
With the Sanctity of
Breathing Life if it is
A Person Considered A Foe...
And That Person Calls Their Self
A Christian too As Does the Bishop of the
Diocese That Left-Off the Protection for the Sanctity
of Breathing Life Among the Most Vulnerable of
Congregants
He Is Responsible
For as So-Called Loving
Bishop With A Shepard's Hook
Or Fork Depending on What Robe He Wears;
Anyway, It's Easy to Lose Respect for Hypocrites
Who Turn the Other Cheek And Lie About What they
Insist They BeLiVE iN;
And True Again, 66 Percent
of the General Public, Including
The Voting Public Are Against the
Over Turning of Roe Versus Wade; And
The Percentage Will Likely Be Even Higher
For A National Ban on Abortion At the Hands of
Republican Rule and or 'Dictatorship' Later, if that's
What Democracy Comes to Next; True, Not Everyone Was
For Obamacare in that Election Either; Where We Saw the Sacrifice
Bringing That Care to Others Brought in Loss of Democratic Representation...
Yep, Considering the
Potential Republican
Rule And Potential
Dictatorship of This
'Alternate UniVerse Scenario;'
Now, Perhaps the Democrats Will
Finally Have A Common Wedge Issue
to Form A Religion of Their Own Based on Freedom;
Yep, the Right to the Sanctity of Breathing Life, Liberty and
THE PURSUIT
OF HAPPINESS
FOR ALL WITH LEAST HARM...
DARKNESS BRINGS LiGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT;
BUSH BROUGHT OBAMACARE TO LIFE; PERHAPS ALITO WILL BRING
FREEDOM TO
RING IN LIGHT
OUT OF THE
DARKNESS AND
IGNORANCE OF HIS
ACTIONS NEXT FOR REAL...
OTHER THAN THAT HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY...
i Was There When the Blue Lights Went off in the
Hospital Where All the Congenital Anomalies of my Son
Were Missed in the Ultrasound And He Got to Suffer For 51
Days With Only Pain And Never A Smile in Life; i Was There When
The Blue Lights Went Off For the Code Blue When my Wife Had a Life Threatening
Seizure And She Was Transported to an
Emergency Caesarean Section; i Was there
When i Prayed to God She Would Be Okay;
As i Had Loved Her For What Seemed Like Forever then;
i Had A Son Who Wasn't Born to Be Able to Breathe; Who Wasn't
Born with an Immune System That Worked; Who Wasn't Born
With Blood Vessels to Even Move
The Blood to His Heart
True He Had An Extra
Thumb to Make 6 And Other Issues
Yet That Was the Least of His
HeLL ON EartH For 51 Days
So His Misery and Suffering Could Be
Extended That Way until i Finally Held
Him in His Last Heart Beat as He Never Had
the Opportunity
to Breathe
Alone At All;
A Woman Usually Will
Give/Trade Her Life for
A Child In This Situation;
i Am Quite Sure my Wife
Would Have Died For Her Child;
Yet She Was Spared That Fate and
My Child 'only' Got to Suffer in Misery
For 51 Days; So Much For Mercy, So Much For Mercy,
So Much For Mercy As my Mother Lasted 8 Days With
No Food and Drink (Usually It's Only 3, if One Does Not
Have the Strength of a Loving HeART Like My Mother's to Last)
Slowly,
Slowly,
Slowly,
Slowly,
Slowly,
Slowly,
Slowy,
Slowly,
Starving
Thirsting
To Death As
We Played Her
Favorite Song
'Time' By the Alan
Parson's Project
At Death-Bed-Side
Going the Most
Natural Way to Go
Offered to Her; Yet Our
Beloved Cat Got the 'Royal Treatment'
of Mercy as He Didn't Even Have to Suffer
A Shot For A Sudden Death; We Used the Most
Humane Method Possible For Anesthesia For
Him to Not
to Be Aware
of Any More Suffering At All...
And What Did the Catholic Church Have
to Say About the Whole Ordeal As my Son
Suffered; the Deacon Called And Insisted that
(i Hadn't Been to Catholic Church For 7 Years Then;
Someone Told The Church What We Were Enduring then)
He Come Baptize The Child on June 4th of 1997, Then,
When my Child Was Born As He Said he Had the Authority
to Baptist that Child So He Wouldn't Be Trapped in 'Limbo' A Place
Between Heaven
And Hell After
Death or
Even Go To Hell FOREVER
As He Had the Authority
to Re-Direct A Child's Path
to Heaven After Birth; Meanwhile,
my Child Suffered As the Deacon Had NO Authority
to Heal the Sanctity of Breathing Life; Only Empty
Ignorant Threats of Limbo And Hell then for A Child
If His Authority Was Allowed As Dictated Then; YET, IF
He Had Any Real (And Those Like Him) Mercy A Child Would Get
More Mercy A Mother Would Get More Mercy than A Beloved Cat...
ANYWAY, i MADE IT 'CRYSTAL BALL CLEAR' TO HIM HE HAD NO AUTHORITY
OVER ANY SOUL...
Strange How
Humans Progress
Yet Still Insist in Living
in A Dark Age of Ignorance;
Responsible For So Much Harm,
Rape, Maiming, And Needless Killing STiLL
For the
Sanctity
of Breathing Life Now...
Anyway i Don't Bother Getting
To Church Before the Homily; i Get
to Still Study the Priest's Opinion on the
Mass Readings Each Week; i've Lost almost All
Respect for the 'Institution' of the Catholic Church;
Yet i will Never Lose Respect for Love When it is True
And Real
And
ACTUALLY
HUMANE NOW
For the
Sanctity
of Breathing Life Now...
Meanwhile, i Won't Be Shooting
Any Unarmed Kids Making An Other
Wise Fatal Mistake Breaking into A Home
For Material Goods that are so much easier
to Replace
Than A Human
Who Makes Any
Ignorant Mistake;
Just to Save the So-called
Christian County Money over an
Ounce of Flesh to Attempt to Rehabilitate With Mercy;
Yet if they Really Believe That What You Do to the Least
of Us You Do to God; Yeah, Better Hope 'He' Wasn't Serious
About Sending
Folks Like that
to Burn Forever
For Not Even Clothing
And Feeding And Educating
The Homeless Person From Mexico in Texas...
Yet of Course That Would Be Inherently Hypocritical,
And Evil As Any Hero oF LiGHT Changes into Villain of DarK
(FACE PALMS FORESTS THICK)
It's A Challenge Some
Days For A
REAL Earth
Angel Not to Change
Back into A REAL Earth Devil/Demon/Whatever...
Yet Given Enough Practice Day Overcomes Night...
As i For One, Marry the Night For DarK Muse and Merry The
Day Brighter Than
Ever iN LiGHT;
Other than
that/THIS, it Should
Be A Very Interesting
Political Season of Mid-Terms to come...
"Eve," Pass the Popcorn the 'Mid Terms' are Coming Next As A Human Circus
Continues to Unfold From A Big Top And Deeper Bottom, Likely Still To Come;
Yeah, It's True, Now or Then; When Your Wife and Son Seem Like They May Be Dying
It's Earth
Shattering Indeed;
i Am Surely Not One
Who Will Ever Judge A
Woman on Her Choice to Live or Die...
And i Damned Sure Don't Expect
Anyone to Die for me...
Or Love Me or Even
Give me
The Time of Day;
What i Will Do is Give
iN THiS Eternal Now i ActuAlly
Experience as An Autotelic Flow
On Task of Heaven On Earth Within;
Just Sharing, Caring, Healing For All
With Least Harm For the JoY oF LiGHT
This Sanctity of Breathing Life Inhaling Peace
Exhaling
Love Just
A Free For All With SMiLes...
It's True, i am in A Best Company
of Life That is Real THiS Way At Least Within...
AnYWaY, This is my Mother's Day 2022/1997 REAL
LIFE Story, and i'm still Hangin' With it Alive NOW With This Sanctity of Breath...
Some Life And Death Decisions are Much too Hard to Make Without The
'Human Relative
Free Will' of 'Choice'...
As the Crowd Jeers on....
As 'The Crowd' JeerS on...
For the Nature
of the Sanctity
of Breathing Life Now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6pj2hp2c_g
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Women in states that ban abortion will experience no change, either, because women who vote in those states aren’t the kinds of women who are going to want abortions, anyway.
Firstly, bloody big assumption!
Secondly, big qualifier in bold! People who don't vote don't suddenly lose their rights.
Not an assumption, it’s a prediction. Once states fix laws in place concerning abortion, people are going to wake up one day and realize that the world is still turning and life is going to go on as it always has. If you are a women’s rights person, you’ll live in a pro-woman state with access to baby-killers all hours of the night if that’s what you want. If you’d never entertain the thought of having an abortion, you can live, really, anywhere you want, but most likely somewhere that’s a good fit with your values. You’ll wake up one day without your right to abortion and never miss it. You might even feel better knowing other women at least where you live won’t have an abortion. If you don’t want to risk a baby, you’ll get birth control in one form or another.
As far as voting goes…as I mentioned earlier, women often vote more than men do. If anything, they are asserting their rights more than men right now. If women agree that abortion should go away, what do you say to that?
A lot of people do not have a choice about where they live - for example, children. Blue states also tend to have higher living costs due to their desirability, so it’s not as simple as upping and moving across the country.
A majority of women don’t agree that abortion should be illegal. Comfortable majorities of Americans support Roe vs Wade, support loosening state restrictions on abortion, and support a constitutional amendment explicitly guaranteeing abortion access. But in any case, human rights should not be subject to the whims of the majority, for obvious reasons. Even if 99.9% of Americans thought that abortion was wrong, anyone who wanted one should still be entitled to one, just as if 99.9% of Americans thinking it was OK to crucify Seventh Day Adventists wouldn’t make it OK.
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Excuses, excuses. Blue states have a higher cost of living due to high taxes, not desirability. There’s a steady stream of Californians moving to Texas. New York has experienced a significant loss of population as well. But taxes aside, areas with higher cost of living often have higher incomes. I was offered a job that would have given me the option of moving to a more expensive suburb and sending my kids to a nice public school. We decided as a family it wasn’t the best or most ideal option for us. The pay would have been more than adequate to live in a good school district while commuting to my job. I accepted a different job, though, because even though the school we’ll send our kids to isn’t quite so nice, it’s still great and balances better with our income.
I mean, the thing you have to remember about Mississippi is we rank among the lowest if not THE lowest income in the nation. But cost of living is remarkably low, too. There’s not much real difference between living here or in New York State since proportionally there’s not a significant enough difference. I wouldn’t mind moving somewhere upstate, maybe somewhere like Lake Placid, or even as far as Watertown or Massena. After that it’s just a matter of adapting to paying higher taxes and figuring out how the budget is going to work out.
Anyone who wants to bad enough is going to make it work, which is my whole point. If you grow up in Mississippi where abortion is very unpopular, you’re already used to the idea that abortion is murder. Even in the case of rape a Mississippi girl isn’t as likely to want an abortion—she’ll grow up with the idea that her baby didn’t choose its circumstances and will want to keep the baby. And I THINK Mississippi’s trigger law even allows abortion after rape. Girls who grow up in or near New York will grow up with the idea that there’s nothing wrong with abortion on demand and will more likely have an abortion at some point.
Economics is a poor excuse for not moving. It’s not “economical” for me to relocate us or “fair” that my kids have to say goodbye to their friends again after two years. Sometimes that’s just the way it is. So you decide how much certain things mean to you. Is access to abortion really that important, or are you better off staying where you are and taking more precautions to make sure you don’t get pregnant? Moving and starting a new life ain’t fun, but by moving you really can have your cake and eat it, too.
So the majority should be ruled by the 1%? Where have I heard that before?
Surely you are aware that there is a significant population of violent criminals and pedophiles in American prisons, yes? Are you saying that we should respect the rights of murderers and perverts above the rights of, say, the 99% who aren’t murderers and pedophiles?
Well one thing about this issue that bothers me is there are a lot of protests about it it seems going on, but also there seems to be possible threats of violence of this is overturned, but can't people have respect for a nations judicial process? Whatever happened to a majority opinion of the people have spoken, unless votes and judicial processes do not mean anything to people who believe they are always right, and the majority of judges in the law do not get a vote?
A man is 100% responsible for an unwanted pregnancy - but this results in no change to his constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.
Women are to be treated differently constitutionally just because they are able to carry a child.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
Simplistic and incorrect.
It is the moral principles involved that are creating this social divide.
(I don't agree with them, but I am aware of them).
You need to divorce your dislike of the conservative side of politics from the theological aspects involved.
A man is 100% responsible for an unwanted pregnancy - but this results in no change to his constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.
Women are to be treated differently constitutionally just because they are able to carry a child.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
It is the moral principles involved that are creating this social divide.
(I don't agree with them, but I am aware of them).
You need to divorce your dislike of the conservative side of politics from the theological aspects involved.
Though, even fully accepting this argument would not lead to justifying some laws here and, AFAIK, in some states in USA.
So, again, moral dispute is one thing, political agenda is another. Situation normal.
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A man is 100% responsible for an unwanted pregnancy - but this results in no change to his constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.
Women are to be treated differently constitutionally just because they are able to carry a child.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
It is the moral principles involved that are creating this social divide.
(I don't agree with them, but I am aware of them).
You need to divorce your dislike of the conservative side of politics from the theological aspects involved.
Though, even fully accepting this argument would not lead to justifying some laws here and, AFAIK, in some states in USA.
So, again, moral dispute is one thing, political agenda is another. Situation normal.
Is there a political agenda?
If so, I'd like to hear it.
But men are not treated differently for being the only cause of that.
https://www.healthline.com/health/trans ... t-pregnant
Transphobia is against the rules M-Mister Cornflake, um, sir.
Nothing on the statement from Sarah Weddington to the Supreme Court?
Why should any woman have lesser constitutional rights to bodily autonomy than a man?
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